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PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7711 Posts
June 23 2016 11:08 GMT
#3661
During the 2nd day RTZ was a bit underwhelming but overall they played really well. Draft were good, with some unorthodox picks like Pugna or TB. I hope the good streak will continue in the regionals
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
June 23 2016 12:42 GMT
#3662
I think RTZ should leave Slark to Envy
But I'm really glad they figured out they should swap those two between mid/safelane fluidly based on heroes they play
They should be making it through the qualifier rather easily
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
TriCkster135
Profile Joined June 2016
Germany80 Posts
June 23 2016 14:28 GMT
#3663
Eu Qualifier is not that easy and they did struggle againat some teams in the open qualifiers. But since there are 3 spots they should make at get at least the wildcard spot.
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7711 Posts
June 23 2016 15:14 GMT
#3664
They've always had a lot of close games, I don't think they'll be very dominant but they should advance, their play looks much more solid and drafts improved dramatically.
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-23 15:31:24
June 23 2016 15:29 GMT
#3665
not to get too optimistic, but it seems like playing a bunch of officials may have been part of what the team needed. they looked so much better by the end of the bracket

e: oh and rtz looked really good in a bunch of games. lots of big kill streaks and multi-kills
adzzlie
Profile Joined July 2015
Korea (South)81 Posts
June 23 2016 15:47 GMT
#3666
I am wondering why is Secret's playstyle currently similar to what EG used to play with.

Sumail safelane and rtz mid.
Envy mid and rtz safelane.

Get what I mean?
Hardworking people will be rewarded as much as what they have done.
TriCkster135
Profile Joined June 2016
Germany80 Posts
June 23 2016 16:18 GMT
#3667
Envy just fits that current mid meta better than rtz does. Also i think rtz is better as a safelaner than mid, at lwast currently.
bumwithagun
Profile Joined January 2011
United States153 Posts
June 23 2016 19:21 GMT
#3668
RTZ is a better laner than envy so its too bad he apparently can't play #2, and has to play #1 or at least a 1.5 (like his Q-W invoker). EE's TB is a monster though holy shit.
MirageTaN
Profile Joined June 2012
Singapore871 Posts
June 23 2016 19:32 GMT
#3669
EE's TB. I still remember the 10 winstreak he had with TB last year.
#TLWIN TI7, TLDota BEST TL
neozxa
Profile Joined August 2011
Indonesia545 Posts
June 23 2016 23:22 GMT
#3670
On June 24 2016 04:32 MirageTaN wrote:
EE's TB. I still remember the 10 winstreak he had with TB last year.




relevant.

Love how Envy can just create space for the team just by being in places he shouldnt be at and therefore creating space for Arteezy to farm more lol
Keep moving forward
Papercappu
Profile Joined July 2015
Canada2210 Posts
June 24 2016 00:07 GMT
#3671
On June 24 2016 00:47 adzzlie wrote:
I am wondering why is Secret's playstyle currently similar to what EG used to play with.

Sumail safelane and rtz mid.
Envy mid and rtz safelane.

Get what I mean?

since when did EG patented this style.its a pretty common thing.not new for EE either.he play mid sometimes in the original C9.singsing was their true pos 1 most of the time
Kaj
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore269 Posts
June 24 2016 02:51 GMT
#3672
This style i believe was first used by secret actually, when they had their TI5 roster. They would rotate between RTZ and S4 between mid and the safelane because S4 is just bad at farming cores like SF/Lershac etc, and S4 would play stuff like QoP in the safelane.
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 08:44:44
June 24 2016 08:43 GMT
#3673
I don't think mid and carry switching lanes around is really that rare, there have been a lot of teams that have done it in the past. Just depends on the players and the specific heroes that are popular how much it happens.

It seems EE plays more "team oriented" mids (DK, DP, Pugna this far) while Arteezy still plays Alch mid and some heroes like Invoker&Timber that EE doesn't really play. But easier to say more after we see more variety, in the bo1 games they understandably went for pretty safe picks mostly and we started seeing other sort of stuff in the bo3s. Was also fun to see Puppey KotL. That was one of the more impressive games he played in recent times despite the early feeding
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-25 12:34:37
June 25 2016 12:32 GMT
#3674
Oh boy
Seems VP have their card
They could lose the 1st place if they lose to them,
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14827 Posts
June 25 2016 12:42 GMT
#3675
looks like VP have their number yeah.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
common_cider
Profile Joined July 2011
342 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-25 14:23:12
June 25 2016 14:00 GMT
#3676
naix +slardar/BH
pho +void
io + BM
BM + disruptor

can we not run a shanghai major lineup in 6.88. This tide+wd+enigma against VP lineup had less than 10% of working.
Please first phase reasonable opening.

Secret has had weeks if not months to learn naix and/or slardar. they still can't do it........

When fng picked disruptor, and then banned jugg +naix, Secrt was so screwed.
Never eat at a chinese restraunt located by the pound
zolasell
Profile Joined April 2016
Greece288 Posts
June 25 2016 15:33 GMT
#3677
Im not going to say that secret looks like a good team but they look like a team that could use some practise.Last time it seemed that they were not in the same page at all and they just couldnt play together.Now they seem like they could become strong if they stay together.Sad thing is if they dont qualify for ti6 i dont think they will try to become a top team and disband instead.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-25 19:08:31
June 25 2016 19:08 GMT
#3678
Don't think there's much reason to be gloomy. Secret are 4-1. I haven't caught up on all the games yet, but from what I have seen it seems like all of the players are actually looking good again and like a serious team worth respecting.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
zolasell
Profile Joined April 2016
Greece288 Posts
June 25 2016 19:17 GMT
#3679
I dont think the team is any worse than liquid and OG were when they were formed a year ago.If they had a year like those teams they could reach the top.problem is the dont.they are looking like they can take even 1st place but i cant see them wining ti6 for that reason
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-25 19:28:25
June 25 2016 19:23 GMT
#3680
Imo the one game they lost they got terribly outdrafted, I don't think they could have even done much playwise there.

Against Alliance and AF they got into very good starts but idk if they got a bit cocky or what, they did some rather brave dives or solo plays and ended up making the games a bit closer than they needed to be.

Against PR I already forgot what exactly went down but I believe they got into a good start, then the game became a bit closer when PR got one good pick off and rosh (unless I remember wrong), but then Secret played fine to guarantee the win.

Their spot for the playoffs is looking quite good as they played quite a few of the better teams already. Group win isn't completely in their own hands as they need VP to lose a game even if Secret wins all, but a bit early for that speculation still I suppose.

On June 26 2016 04:17 zolasell wrote:
I dont think the team is any worse than liquid and OG were when they were formed a year ago.If they had a year like those teams they could reach the top.problem is the dont.they are looking like they can take even 1st place but i cant see them wining ti6 for that reason


The toughest competition of TL and OG is Newbee who only formed in March and started winning straight away. I don't think the time is the issue (though obviously these qualifiers are very short notice) but rather the question is how well the lineup just fits together.
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