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FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
June 19 2016 22:51 GMT
#3581
But the current Secret hasn't won anything.

Valve giving two Open spots is a good compromise. If Secret can't make it, they don't deserve to be at TI.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-19 23:30:32
June 19 2016 23:28 GMT
#3582
On June 20 2016 07:35 Xafnia wrote:
I think that having the previous TI winner + each team that wins a major get a guaranteed direct invite would be pretty reasonable.

Two problems with that imo:
1) What if you win the first major after a TI and then when the next TI hits your team is 1 guy who played on the championship team and 4 new guys. Valve made a statement before about how in their eyes the players get the invite, not the organization. I guess technically speaking there's also the chance of a team shuffling instantly after winning a major and not just after a slump, but who even does that, right?
2) Frankly, Manila is the only Major that should matter at this point. The patch is completly different
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Anamorph
Profile Joined September 2015
236 Posts
June 20 2016 10:37 GMT
#3583
On June 18 2016 11:18 TomatoBisque wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2016 20:04 Anamorph wrote:
On June 17 2016 12:39 Sabu113 wrote:
On June 16 2016 07:32 nayumi wrote:
On June 16 2016 06:29 neozxa wrote:
Unless they choose between rtz or envy, or unless you somehow find a middle ground between the 2, i really cant see this team finding success in the near future.

Gonna be really hard though... both Rtz and Envy excel at farming like a machine to hit certain timing and their team proceeds to dominate from there on. They can't do much if they split the farm, and also neither of them are playmakers.

Dis gonna sound crazy but EE back to support, Puppey offlane while Bulba mid might even work better lol


What?

EE carried so much water for W33 and Misery. They repeatedly sacked him and he found a way to make it work. His all around game is fairly versatile these days as well...

Honestly a bit more worreid about Artour.


as a none native speaker I m not sure if this is sarkasm, but w33 was clearly the reason secret was strong in the tourneys they won. I watched all games and meepo, wr, invoker, od mid plays made the games for secret in all tourneys. There was just once EE played a good and high risk ember, thats it. The slark plays are just standard.

Rtz is a way better player than EE and would perform way better as carry. If you want to have a working team, go backand get w33 and misery or kick EE, take rtz as carry and take a spacecreating 8k+ supermid.


The term "carry water" doesn't have the same connotation here as carry does in dota. When you carry the water for someone it means you are doing the hard/unpleasant work for that person, sort of like a lackey. EE often takes the unsafe farm allowing his mid to take safer farm, and many times he would go offlane to give his offlane player a 1v1 matchup


Thanks for the explanation.
But "carry water" is not the playstyle of EE on all heroes, it s just how slark, antimage and ember should get played if you want to take an advantage of their strong escape and fast jungling. I would not give this statement to EE as a person. If you give him a different hero, he plays a different role and the "unsafe farmspots" are no more a part of his plays. A good carry plays with the listed heroes above a high risk high reward playstyle.

Dont get me wrong, I dont want to flame someone, I just wanted to point out, w33 was the main reason they won the major and a lot of tourneys before. I agree on the statement, that he missplayed some situations where you really saw he wanted to make a very special play to compensate a bad situation before, but overall he was the real carry.
People hyping EE in the "old secret" never watched the replays from a non fan perspective.
You will also see, EE will not be able to win a LAN again, not with this roster and not with him beeing the reason they won.
TriCkster135
Profile Joined June 2016
Germany80 Posts
June 20 2016 10:44 GMT
#3584
Open EU Qualifier looks super hard. Polarity, Kaipi, Tspirit....
Really looking forward to how secret will play with bulba. If they are able to get a spot for the main Qualifier their chances of going to TI are quite good.
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7745 Posts
June 20 2016 11:25 GMT
#3585
I hope they destroy the quals and then go on to win the TI.
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
June 20 2016 15:00 GMT
#3586
Major winner is automatically invited to the next Major if they didn't break roster lock rules, but not the subsequent Majors and TI. Ti winner is automatically invited to the next TI provided they didn't break any rules. Sound reasonable to me.
caiovigg
Profile Joined July 2014
Brazil1802 Posts
June 20 2016 16:47 GMT
#3587
On June 21 2016 00:00 ref4 wrote:
Major winner is automatically invited to the next Major if they didn't break roster lock rules, but not the subsequent Majors and TI. Ti winner is automatically invited to the next TI provided they didn't break any rules. Sound reasonable to me.


I don't think its reasonable. Its ridiculous that the TI winner gets the 3 majors invites + TI just because they won a tournament. IMO the main point of the majors is not having to invite teams that were good a year ago and now are a dumpster fire (TI5 newbee)
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
June 21 2016 01:09 GMT
#3588
Please update the team roster heh.
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Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
June 21 2016 01:28 GMT
#3589
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Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
June 21 2016 03:03 GMT
#3590
Can someone stream all secret games tomorrow please? thanks
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
June 21 2016 03:14 GMT
#3591
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FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
June 21 2016 05:40 GMT
#3592
Bracket not out yet.

I cant totally see them losing to Kaipi round one or something though.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
June 21 2016 05:59 GMT
#3593
whats with the negativity
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7745 Posts
June 21 2016 06:09 GMT
#3594
On June 21 2016 14:59 Shaella wrote:
whats with the negativity


didn't you hear, secret will for be cheesed out of the quals by some random stack of friends, confirmed info
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
June 21 2016 06:10 GMT
#3595
On June 21 2016 15:09 PoulsenB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 14:59 Shaella wrote:
whats with the negativity


didn't you hear, secret will for be cheesed out of the quals by some random stack of friends, confirmed info

?

but OG is invited to TI :^)
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
June 21 2016 06:20 GMT
#3596
On June 21 2016 15:10 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 15:09 PoulsenB wrote:
On June 21 2016 14:59 Shaella wrote:
whats with the negativity


didn't you hear, secret will for be cheesed out of the quals by some random stack of friends, confirmed info

?

but OG is invited to TI :^)

Good, enjoyable dota in TI is secured!
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
June 21 2016 07:18 GMT
#3597
On June 21 2016 14:59 Shaella wrote:
whats with the negativity

Meh. Feeling sleepy and not up for pretending to think Secret are the best team in the world just now.

Tomorrow I'll be sure to predict a 20 game win streak for Secret out of these qualifiers.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
common_cider
Profile Joined July 2011
342 Posts
June 21 2016 07:57 GMT
#3598
Pick better heroes to make secret great again!
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trollcenter
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
362 Posts
June 21 2016 16:47 GMT
#3599
Outstanding performance by Secret in the qualifiers so far.
bumwithagun
Profile Joined January 2011
United States153 Posts
June 21 2016 17:15 GMT
#3600
Envy is playing mid so far in the Qualis with RTZ in the safe lane (2 games in). I thought a big part of RTZ's move was he wanted to play mid again...?
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