EPTOn June 15 2016 00:25 LemOn wrote:
new roster? They swapped Universe for Bulba only oO
new roster? They swapped Universe for Bulba only oO
So? Are you saying that changing one player in a roster doesn't cause big differences? For me, it does
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il MeMbro
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So? Are you saying that changing one player in a roster doesn't cause big differences? For me, it does | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
money is on the table and they've practice multiple weeks in advance to get to that stage. if not for the integrity of the players themselves, or even the organizations, or the events, fans, and stage, no single one player would ever agree to look like a total fool in order to get it over with. they have a chance, and there is a lot of money on the line for winning games, no matter how small the chances. | ||
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trollcenter
362 Posts
On June 15 2016 03:45 nanaoei wrote: bombing out early doesn't make much sense, it is a week-long event and they're staying there for the duration anyway. money is on the table and they've practice multiple weeks in advance to get to that stage. if not for the integrity of the players themselves, or even the organizations, or the events, fans, and stage, no single one player would ever agree to look like a total fool in order to get it over with. they have a chance, and there is a lot of money on the line for winning games, no matter how small the chances. Nobody said they're not going to try, it's just the fact that there are several solid Tier 2 teams that looked better than Secret recently (Ad finem, Empire). Hopefully Secret's experience makes up for it, it would be sad to have a TI with no Puppey. | ||
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On June 14 2016 19:21 il MeMbro wrote: Imo they knew already they were going to disband, and drafted shit just to go out early and start practicing with bulba, or just to get informations about draft strategies from their opponents. Really, their drafts dont make sense, not even a bit. Im sure that team had a lot of issues with sinergies and other stuff, but it doesn't justify a completely retarded drafting phase. Didnt the old Secret had the same scenario exactly ? they came into the major knowing the are going to disband and then they actually won it all , at least thats what everyone are saying. Your assumption is also on relies on a "Fact" that EG also were in the same "we dont care about this major cuz we want universe back" , and that going into the event bulba was a lock i.e EG also knew they are going to fail which i dont believe for one second. Both teams did their best and failed , no need to look for crazy theories like you just provided. | ||
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nanaoei
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On June 15 2016 04:03 nanaoei wrote: drafting awfully is kind of not trying, when they're seen as capable of better, don't you think? EE was drafting. Did you happen to see what happened at MDL when he was as well? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/MarsTV_Dota_2_League/2015/Winter It wasn't terribly pretty, either. But they also had a far more cohesive team at MDL. | ||
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spudde123
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
On June 15 2016 03:51 trollcenter wrote: Nobody said they're not going to try, it's just the fact that there are several solid Tier 2 teams that looked better than Secret recently (Ad finem, Empire). Hopefully Secret's experience makes up for it, it would be sad to have a TI with no Puppey. But that's literally what someone said on the previous page? Unless "drafting like shit and hoping to go out early" somehow doesn't fit into your idea of not trying. | ||
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spudde123
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il MeMbro
8 Posts
And it wasnt exactly about teams not trying hard, but rather about them knowing, even before the major, that they were going to shuffle; in these conditions, i can see both teams giving up early. Anyway, conjectures, let's move on. | ||
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SnowStormer
Norway275 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
I thought the guys were talking about Secret, made no sense that they'd dick a round because of a "new roster" | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On June 15 2016 01:13 il MeMbro wrote: So? Are you saying that changing one player in a roster doesn't cause big differences? For me, it does Not enough to just dick around with drafts at Major because you expect a new roster, which is what people were implying I thought (Guess they meant EG). There's no big difference here at Secret between Universe and Bulba really. | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
as far as most people are concerned, bulba still has his shot at success. let's hope it's not in the form of darkseer and clockwerk, because there's so much more that an offlane can do. | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
On June 15 2016 06:14 il MeMbro wrote: I wasn't trying to give conspiracy theories to justify secret/EG performances, mine was just a speculation/provocation, just so we can talk about it, and based on the fact that there were some suspicious tweets made by bone7 prior to manila. And it wasnt exactly about teams not trying hard, but rather about them knowing, even before the major, that they were going to shuffle; in these conditions, i can see both teams giving up early. Anyway, conjectures, let's move on. the idea should rather be that knowing the team(s) are going to lose players impacted moral and performance more than needed. trying less or wasting the opportunity doesn't make sense because there are still 4/5 members performing poorly at the end of event days. as TI draws near, each and every single day is extremely important, and that can't be understated. however, it is nonsense to basically throw games at manila because that is the best practice you will ever get, roster change in tow or not. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On June 14 2016 20:11 il MeMbro wrote: Yes i think it's a possibility. If both secret and EG knew they were going to shuffle anyway, considering they have 10 days to prepare for TI qualifiers, and considering they wouldnt have gone far in the tournament past that bo1, it's not unthinkable that they preferred to go out early and start preparing with the new roster. I hope you're trolling man. Or else you need serious help  Their drafts failed because ppd/Puppey thought they could outsmart the current meta and set a new trend but they failed. Plain and simple. Or their players couldn't play certain heroes required for the draft to work (Exhibit A: Arteezy on Invoker is pub tier). Or they thought they could overcome the bad team play by out-drafting their opponents but failed. Speak of practice, tournament experiences >>>>> scrims by a long mile. Plus who could they have practiced with when all the top players were still battling in the next rounds? The fact is Puppey and ppd are not gods and they ran out of good ideas like every other captains. | ||
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trollcenter
362 Posts
On June 15 2016 05:51 Dysisa wrote: But that's literally what someone said on the previous page? Unless "drafting like shit and hoping to go out early" somehow doesn't fit into your idea of not trying. I doubt they drafted like shit on purpose so they could get it over with, I just think it was a case where everyone had their own ideas and couldn't find any common ground, resulting in a mess most of the time. I have my doubts about people consistently following a leading voice during the game too, there were way too many times when they were not on the same page at all. | ||
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neozxa
Indonesia545 Posts
i can see it now,4 people calling out shots during the game and pie acting like a courier thats being fought over in a pub in the middle of all the shitstorm. after looking at some secret games during shanghai, im even more convinced that kicking w33 and misery in favor of rtz and universe was a huge mistake. Most of the games they won was because of the fact that they were playing around ee. Every time he overextends (and he does a lot), they always come and back him up in some was, something that i havent seen much in the manila secret. rtz just cant make plays to,create space for envy and play around him, if anything, he also needs space from his team to suit his farm heavy playstyle, leaving it to universe as the only real core during the early mid games to pull out plays. Unless they choose between rtz or envy, or unless you somehow find a middle ground between the 2, i really cant see this team finding success in the near future. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
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