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On June 09 2016 23:20 Dysisa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 23:16 DucK- wrote:On June 09 2016 23:09 Dysisa wrote:On June 09 2016 23:04 DucK- wrote:
Abandoned...what a poor choice of word. PR disaster. I wouldn't be very willing to mince words either if I recruit someone and he seriously underperforms, only to then fuck off back to his original team right away. If you did what Universe has done here in any 'real' sport, you'd be very deservedly shunned as the worst kind of traitor by a whole lot of people. Naw I disagree. You don't have to do the usual goody goody PR shit like thanking him for his service etc. All you need is to use neutral words. Taking such potshots shows a lack of professionalism, no matter the industry. I can agree, but to be fair that is his personal Twitter account, I think he has the right to use words like abandoned on there. If the actual statement from Team Secret was calling him out for abandoning them though, that'd set me off a bit.
Eh, i can see reason in both points. Problem is that Kemal have been using his personal Twitter to make official announcements too, so that could be misinterpreted as official communication.
The website official announcement says:
"Earlier this week, Saahil ‘Universe’ Arora confirmed with the Team Secret organization that he would be leaving the Dota 2 team with immediate effect. As a result of the unexpected news from Universe, the team will now be forced to proceed through the open qualifiers later this month on the 21st of June for Valve’s International 2016. "
That is a bit more PR. Nevertheless Kemal wording is open to critique.
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Yeah I don't know how people are mad at Kemal instead of at Universe here, makes literally zero sense.
Universe has now ditched his team twice when things got tough in a matter of months. It will be hilarious if PPD just gets Zai instead and Universe is forced to play for some tier 11 NA team.
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I mean, I think it's pretty clear that Secret is not about that PR life. As many people have pointed out, they didn't even wait till the end of the tournament to post this.
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There were rumors flying around on community sites already, I don't really see what's wrong with dropping this at the end of the day so the speculation stops. I highly doubt it will overshadow the event when it starts tomorrow again.
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On June 09 2016 23:30 spudde123 wrote:
There were rumors flying around on community sites already, I don't really see what's wrong with dropping this at the end of the day so the speculation stops. I highly doubt it will overshadow the event when it starts tomorrow again.
That's a fair point actually, probably better this way. Just put it to rest.
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On June 09 2016 23:23 wims80 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 23:09 Dysisa wrote:On June 09 2016 23:04 DucK- wrote:
Abandoned...what a poor choice of word. PR disaster. I wouldn't be very willing to mince words either if I recruit someone and he seriously underperforms, only to then fuck off back to his original team right away. If you did what Universe has done here in any 'real' sport, you'd be very deservedly shunned as the worst kind of traitor by a whole lot of people. It appears that what goes around comes around even for Team Secret :D
First change happened in time for roster lock thus not automatically locking people out of invites, as this does. Pretty different IMO.
That said, hard to really blame Universe. The team has been disastrous.
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On June 09 2016 23:04 DucK- wrote:
Abandoned...what a poor choice of word. PR disaster.
In fact, he didn't abandon the team, he was just not up to the task of learning from EE-sama. Put that way leaves Uni as the bad guy instead of bad player.... j/k
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On June 09 2016 23:20 Dysisa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 23:16 DucK- wrote:On June 09 2016 23:09 Dysisa wrote:On June 09 2016 23:04 DucK- wrote:
Abandoned...what a poor choice of word. PR disaster. I wouldn't be very willing to mince words either if I recruit someone and he seriously underperforms, only to then fuck off back to his original team right away. If you did what Universe has done here in any 'real' sport, you'd be very deservedly shunned as the worst kind of traitor by a whole lot of people. Naw I disagree. You don't have to do the usual goody goody PR shit like thanking him for his service etc. All you need is to use neutral words. Taking such potshots shows a lack of professionalism, no matter the industry. I can agree, but to be fair that is his personal Twitter account, I think he has the right to use words like abandoned on there. If the actual statement from Team Secret was calling him out for abandoning them though, that'd set me off a bit.
Well thing is kemal has been using his twitter for official announcements. So this is not just a personal twitter account. He is an official source of information.
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I am sure that there is some kind of 'Behind-the-scene' moments happening in Manila between EG and Secret. Like, how could you possibly instantly acquire a new player after your own player just decided to leave on his own? The way I see it, it is basically both team swapping their player with the same position. There are a lot that's happening that they don't tell us, and I'd rather be kept in the dark.
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On June 09 2016 23:58 adzzlie wrote:
I am sure that there is some kind of 'Behind-the-scene' moments happening in Manila between EG and Secret. Like, how could you possibly instantly acquire a new player after your own player just decided to leave on his own? The way I see it, it is basically both team swapping their player with the same position. There are a lot that's happening that they don't tell us, and I'd rather be kept in the dark.
Why would you rather be kept in the dark?
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PR speak is because normal companies have obligations to stakeholders like sponsors, not because they're inherently more noble. Just be happy for the fact that TS has the freedom to say what's really on their mind.
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On June 10 2016 00:13 hariooo wrote:
PR speak is because normal companies have obligations to stakeholders like sponsors, not because they're inherently more noble. Just be happy for the fact that TS has the freedom to say what's really on their mind.
Just like they did with w33 and Misery, RIGHT?
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Except there are stakeholders other than sponsors that also have an interest in teams conducting themselves in a certain manner, like fans of the team and any other person with an interest in competitive dota, tournament organizers, other teams, etc. Especially in ESPORTS, where teams are small and change often. What is left to cheer for if all the players leave, you're not winning, and all you're left with is a history of shenanigans? It's fine to say "fuck the haters we do our own thing" if you're winning, but idk about otherwise.
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On June 10 2016 00:31 Racket wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 00:13 hariooo wrote:
PR speak is because normal companies have obligations to stakeholders like sponsors, not because they're inherently more noble. Just be happy for the fact that TS has the freedom to say what's really on their mind. Just like they did with w33 and Misery, RIGHT?
Given that I'm talking about *how* TS says things, I'm not sure what you think w33 and misery have to do with this. It's fine to object to that particular shuffle but try and direct your outrage in a way that makes any sort of sense.
On June 10 2016 00:41 emperorchampion wrote:
Except there are stakeholders other than sponsors that also have an interest in teams conducting themselves in a certain manner, like fans of the team and any other person with an interest in competitive dota, tournament organizers, other teams, etc. Especially in ESPORTS, where teams are small and change often. What is left to cheer for if all the players leave, you're not winning, and all you're left with is a history of shenanigans? It's fine to say "fuck the haters we do our own thing" if you're winning, but idk about otherwise.
Fans have interests in a lot of things. If this is the deal breaker go cheer on some nondescript Chinese team with organized press releases. I'm fine where I am.
Tournament organizers care about attendance and views. Drama supports both.
As for Universe he was literally the worst player on the team and left his team in an awful situation. I expect him to go on unscathed because the community generally loves his public ally conflict free demeanor though.
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On June 10 2016 01:12 hariooo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 00:31 Racket wrote:On June 10 2016 00:13 hariooo wrote:
PR speak is because normal companies have obligations to stakeholders like sponsors, not because they're inherently more noble. Just be happy for the fact that TS has the freedom to say what's really on their mind. Just like they did with w33 and Misery, RIGHT? Given that I'm talking about *how* TS says things, I'm not sure what you think w33 and misery have to do with this. It's fine to object to that particular shuffle but try and direct your outrage in a way that makes any sort of sense. Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 00:41 emperorchampion wrote:
Except there are stakeholders other than sponsors that also have an interest in teams conducting themselves in a certain manner, like fans of the team and any other person with an interest in competitive dota, tournament organizers, other teams, etc. Especially in ESPORTS, where teams are small and change often. What is left to cheer for if all the players leave, you're not winning, and all you're left with is a history of shenanigans? It's fine to say "fuck the haters we do our own thing" if you're winning, but idk about otherwise. Fans have interests in a lot of things. If this is the deal breaker go cheer on some nondescript Chinese team with organized press releases. I'm fine where I am. Tournament organizers care about attendance and views. Drama supports both. As for Universe he was literally the worst player on the team and left his team in an awful situation. I expect him to go on unscathed because the community generally loves his public ally conflict free demeanor though.
We are talking about how TS announced the departing of Universe, and you say they speak with freedom so I bring the w33/Misery affair where they kicked them and they saved their freedom just because they would look bad otherwise.
You can be their fan but you have to be a bit less subjective, if they make Universe look like the bad guy they should do that to themselves when it is their turn. It makes sense if you don't brush a comment away because you don't wanna deal with it.
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On June 10 2016 02:18 Racket wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 01:12 hariooo wrote:On June 10 2016 00:31 Racket wrote:On June 10 2016 00:13 hariooo wrote:
PR speak is because normal companies have obligations to stakeholders like sponsors, not because they're inherently more noble. Just be happy for the fact that TS has the freedom to say what's really on their mind. Just like they did with w33 and Misery, RIGHT? Given that I'm talking about *how* TS says things, I'm not sure what you think w33 and misery have to do with this. It's fine to object to that particular shuffle but try and direct your outrage in a way that makes any sort of sense. On June 10 2016 00:41 emperorchampion wrote:
Except there are stakeholders other than sponsors that also have an interest in teams conducting themselves in a certain manner, like fans of the team and any other person with an interest in competitive dota, tournament organizers, other teams, etc. Especially in ESPORTS, where teams are small and change often. What is left to cheer for if all the players leave, you're not winning, and all you're left with is a history of shenanigans? It's fine to say "fuck the haters we do our own thing" if you're winning, but idk about otherwise. Fans have interests in a lot of things. If this is the deal breaker go cheer on some nondescript Chinese team with organized press releases. I'm fine where I am. Tournament organizers care about attendance and views. Drama supports both. As for Universe he was literally the worst player on the team and left his team in an awful situation. I expect him to go on unscathed because the community generally loves his public ally conflict free demeanor though. We are talking about how TS announced the departing of Universe, and you say they speak with freedom so I bring the w33/Misery affair where they kicked them and they saved their freedom just because they would look bad otherwise. You can be their fan but you have to be a bit less subjective, if they make Universe look like the bad guy they should do that to themselves when it is their turn. It makes sense if you don't brush a comment away because you don't wanna deal with it.
They kicked w33 and misery within the roster lock.Universe left them and they had to go through open qualifires.secret followed the rules.but indeed uni isnt the bad guy.he wants to win like everyone and if going back to EG helps him then so be it,
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On June 10 2016 02:27 zolasell wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 02:18 Racket wrote:On June 10 2016 01:12 hariooo wrote:On June 10 2016 00:31 Racket wrote:On June 10 2016 00:13 hariooo wrote:
PR speak is because normal companies have obligations to stakeholders like sponsors, not because they're inherently more noble. Just be happy for the fact that TS has the freedom to say what's really on their mind. Just like they did with w33 and Misery, RIGHT? Given that I'm talking about *how* TS says things, I'm not sure what you think w33 and misery have to do with this. It's fine to object to that particular shuffle but try and direct your outrage in a way that makes any sort of sense. On June 10 2016 00:41 emperorchampion wrote:
Except there are stakeholders other than sponsors that also have an interest in teams conducting themselves in a certain manner, like fans of the team and any other person with an interest in competitive dota, tournament organizers, other teams, etc. Especially in ESPORTS, where teams are small and change often. What is left to cheer for if all the players leave, you're not winning, and all you're left with is a history of shenanigans? It's fine to say "fuck the haters we do our own thing" if you're winning, but idk about otherwise. Fans have interests in a lot of things. If this is the deal breaker go cheer on some nondescript Chinese team with organized press releases. I'm fine where I am. Tournament organizers care about attendance and views. Drama supports both. As for Universe he was literally the worst player on the team and left his team in an awful situation. I expect him to go on unscathed because the community generally loves his public ally conflict free demeanor though. We are talking about how TS announced the departing of Universe, and you say they speak with freedom so I bring the w33/Misery affair where they kicked them and they saved their freedom just because they would look bad otherwise. You can be their fan but you have to be a bit less subjective, if they make Universe look like the bad guy they should do that to themselves when it is their turn. It makes sense if you don't brush a comment away because you don't wanna deal with it. They kicked w33 and misery within the roster lock.Universe left them and they had to go through open qualifires.secret followed the rules.but indeed uni isnt the bad guy.he wants to win like everyone and if going back to EG helps him then so be it,
What has that to do with the wording? dude...
Edit: Duck- expressed his opinion on the wording and I am with him. Some find it ok to use poor wording that let bad blood slip when it is hurtful to their team, I don't think it is ok, either you are always politically correct or never.
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On June 10 2016 02:18 Racket wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 01:12 hariooo wrote:On June 10 2016 00:31 Racket wrote:On June 10 2016 00:13 hariooo wrote:
PR speak is because normal companies have obligations to stakeholders like sponsors, not because they're inherently more noble. Just be happy for the fact that TS has the freedom to say what's really on their mind. Just like they did with w33 and Misery, RIGHT? Given that I'm talking about *how* TS says things, I'm not sure what you think w33 and misery have to do with this. It's fine to object to that particular shuffle but try and direct your outrage in a way that makes any sort of sense. On June 10 2016 00:41 emperorchampion wrote:
Except there are stakeholders other than sponsors that also have an interest in teams conducting themselves in a certain manner, like fans of the team and any other person with an interest in competitive dota, tournament organizers, other teams, etc. Especially in ESPORTS, where teams are small and change often. What is left to cheer for if all the players leave, you're not winning, and all you're left with is a history of shenanigans? It's fine to say "fuck the haters we do our own thing" if you're winning, but idk about otherwise. Fans have interests in a lot of things. If this is the deal breaker go cheer on some nondescript Chinese team with organized press releases. I'm fine where I am. Tournament organizers care about attendance and views. Drama supports both. As for Universe he was literally the worst player on the team and left his team in an awful situation. I expect him to go on unscathed because the community generally loves his public ally conflict free demeanor though. We are talking about how TS announced the departing of Universe, and you say they speak with freedom so I bring the w33/Misery affair where they kicked them and they saved their freedom just because they would look bad otherwise. You can be their fan but you have to be a bit less subjective, if they make Universe look like the bad guy they should do that to themselves when it is their turn. It makes sense if you don't brush a comment away because you don't wanna deal with it.
I honestly don't understand what the hell you're trying to say. Just because TS has the ability to speak freely, they should be obligated to talk shit about *themselves*? What kind of insane logic are you trying to apply?
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what goes around comes around, life goes on. but now we have bulba we fucking lost.
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