Or Zai, I feel like they will poach someone from Kaipi if they do it. That's just pure speculation. Team is talented but they just aren't coordinated, I feel bad for Secret, it's like watching some of my pub games. Nobody is on same page it feels.

Sabu113

United States11076 Posts

June 03 2016 05:28 GMT

#3223

I'm confused. I thought everyone was locked IN and couldn't break the team before TI?

???

Hope they just tough it out and grind out a few more tournaments.

nayumi

Australia6499 Posts

June 03 2016 05:34 GMT

#3224

On June 03 2016 14:28 Sabu113 wrote:
I'm confused. I thought everyone was locked IN and couldn't break the team before TI?

???

Hope they just tough it out and grind out a few more tournaments.

They can but will have to go through Open Qualifiers I think.

spudde123

4814 Posts

June 03 2016 05:44 GMT

#3225

First series definitely wasn't promising, but let's see how it goes against Wings. Not looking too likely that they will turn it around though, I missed most of game 1 but in g2 they seemed to be quite uncoordinated at times.

deadmau

960 Posts

June 03 2016 09:00 GMT

#3226

Secret was saving strats to stomp Wings.

Froadac

United States6733 Posts

June 03 2016 09:51 GMT

#3227

On June 03 2016 18:00 deadmau wrote:
Secret was saving strats to stomp Wings.

Get stomped by :|

caiovigg

Brazil1802 Posts

June 03 2016 09:53 GMT

#3228

Bold prediction: secret will not play TI6 with this current roster

spudde123

4814 Posts

June 03 2016 09:57 GMT

#3229

On June 03 2016 18:53 caiovigg wrote:
Bold prediction: secret will not play TI6 with this current roster

Not even that bold, if they completely bomb out like it looks like now not sure what the invite situation is. Obviously they shouldn't get invited based on recent performance, and if Valve looks at all the majors or something those were with a different lineup. And nothing in their form suggests they would survive qualifiers atm.

Not to mention that it doesn't even seem out of the question at this point that they will change the team and just go to open quals. But we'll see how it goes in the rest of the event.

Xendarii

327 Posts

June 03 2016 09:58 GMT

#3230

If Secret continue to play and get results like this and STILL get invited to TI, I'll stop watching Dota. That would be the most disgusting thing ever.

NInoff

Bulgaria1105 Posts

June 03 2016 10:02 GMT

#3231

I wonder why they didnt change roster after the last big tourney. With players of this caliber once thing go south and the blame train starts rolling there is no turning back. There are so many examples of that. Unfortunately Secret owners and players refused to see it...
I mean you cant have one of the best players in the world in the team and for them to be hard to win a Bo3. I think they have only one Bo3 win with this roster.
If they fail to score a top3 finish here and that seems highly likely with that kind of a play, i dont see this roster playing togheter for TI, they'll probably disband and go for it through open qualifiers.

Racket

3023 Posts

June 03 2016 10:29 GMT

#3232

On June 03 2016 18:58 Xendarii wrote:
If Secret continue to play and get results like this and STILL get invited to TI, I'll stop watching Dota. That would be the most disgusting thing ever.

Not at all as it already happened before (maybe not with TI but with a Major), as long as they pull viewership and drama, the cycle will continue. My bet is they will get an invite given they are a Major winner. I hope they get none and break the stupid cycle. We will see.

zolasell

Greece288 Posts

June 03 2016 10:40 GMT

#3233

On June 03 2016 19:29 Racket wrote:

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It did happen with a ti before when newbee got invited to ti5.However they were champions so it is kind of logical.as a secret fan i have to say :dont invite them ti ti6.unless of course they win a tournament between the major and ti6 but its very very unlikely

zolasell

Greece288 Posts

June 03 2016 10:48 GMT

#3234

This is the first time that RTZ joins a good team and it becomes bad.back with EG and TS the teams were still tier1 and really succesfull.Maybe this makes him realize that he is not really the god he thinks he is

LemOn

United Kingdom8629 Posts

June 03 2016 12:27 GMT

#3235

On June 03 2016 19:48 zolasell wrote:
This is the first time that RTZ joins a good team and it becomes bad.back with EG and TS the teams were still tier1 and really succesfull.Maybe this makes him realize that he is not really the god he thinks he is

He is a god, he just doesn't seem to fit the team right now because of strategy - you pick a guy that's awesome on a limited amount of greedy farming mids, still arguably best in the world, and give him Kunka and Puck twice...And he just looks very average on those, especially his puck is miles away from Dendi's for example.

He was good on DP, had a good performance on Invoker too even thought the team got steam rolled by Na'Vi. RTZ is limited in his hero pool and playstyle, but Puppey sure as hell knew that so imo it's his job to try to make it work

spudde123

4814 Posts

June 03 2016 12:29 GMT

#3236

Not looking great, play aside their morale must be fully in the dumpster right now. Before the event I thought we may very well see Secret come in and win games, but now a last place finish seems most likely.

I'm not a very big fan of their drafts. Like in the last game Wings had better lanes and imo better mid and lategame too. That sort of a Drow lineup doesn't fall off at all really. Secret's drafts wasn't complete garbage by any means and they were relatively close to taking early fights decisively enough to win, but still not a fan. Also in some games their teamfight coordination just seems completely awful, like against Wings in g1. It seemed better in games 2 and 3 but they still made some costly errors that their draft didn't really allow for.

And yea, I'm a bit surprised by the style of picking they've shown this far. I was expecting them to go towards picking Arteezy heroes he has shined on before, possibly also with some heroes like Phoenix, Dazzle or Venge to keep him alive.

oahippo

United States8 Posts

June 03 2016 12:33 GMT

#3237

Bring back the S4 Zai days, they were almost unstoppable during that phase, but did end up losing during TI. The team is not on the same page and will never be on the same page. Both of their core players are veterans in the game, but their maturity and willingness to work together as team is weak. Their early game is far too weak and all over the place. Personally if I was to say drop one player, I would instantly say Envy, his consistency is always hit or complete miss.

spudde123

4814 Posts

June 03 2016 12:36 GMT

#3238

I don't agree at all with this "their early game is far too weak". If anything, that is literally the only thing that has consistently been good with this lineup. They hardly ever have done poorly in lanes, it's after the early game that they fall apart.

bluzi

4703 Posts

June 03 2016 12:37 GMT

#3239

On June 03 2016 21:27 LemOn wrote:

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Can you please list the heroes he plays mid that he is "best in the world" , curious to know.

oahippo

United States8 Posts

June 03 2016 12:40 GMT

#3240

One thing that has confused me for awhile, I can't remember when, but Envy said in the interview once that having too many 8k players is a hindrance. I feel like the amount of pride is holding back their coordination, everyone hesitating to listen to their peers.