EPTTeam Secret Discussion - Page 144
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
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Super_Style
296 Posts
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Racket
3023 Posts
On March 24 2016 03:46 Super_Style wrote: One thing id like explained, why kick the 2nd best invoker player in the world in the current invoker meta for another, better version of EE(that being rtz). Makes no since to me, what are they gonna play mid now, they dont have an invoker, dp, zeus, wr, qop, itd. player... same problem as with s4 back in 2015 when out of all mid heroes he could only play qop. Arteezy being best SF in the world means nothing atm, thus i dont understand artEEzy combo at this point in time. Wasn't RTZ a good mid before going full 1 pos carry? I believe he was good enough. | ||
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Super_Style
296 Posts
On March 24 2016 03:55 Racket wrote: Wasn't RTZ a good mid before going full 1 pos carry? I believe he was good enough. He was one of the best when he could play SF every game or Bristle. That is irrelevant now, and which is why i raised this question. | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
He's already got 90% of what makes mid demanding: the mechanical stuff. Concern about heropools is just 1 week of grinding away per hero, and RTZ is really good at grinding out understanding. | ||
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Super_Style
296 Posts
On March 24 2016 04:16 lolnoty wrote: RTZ can probably play any role in dota and any hero if he devotes himself to learning it. Maybe not a 5. He's already got 90% of what makes mid demanding: the mechanical stuff. Concern about heropools is just 1 week of grinding away per hero, and RTZ is really good at grinding out understanding. I hope you are right, secret 2015 was my favorite team of all time and now 2/4 of my favorite players are no secret, just need zai and miracle now along with puppy, rtz and pld and my dream team is a reality. | ||
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wooozy
3813 Posts
especially dp wtf? guy literally played it every game not too long ago | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On March 24 2016 03:59 Super_Style wrote: He was one of the best when he could play SF every game or Bristle. That is irrelevant now, and which is why i raised this question. RTZ can play all the heroes you mentioned. Secret also probably realize there's likely gonna be a meta shifting patch before TI6 | ||
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Super_Style
296 Posts
On March 24 2016 04:22 SupLilSon wrote: RTZ can play all the heroes you mentioned. Secret also probably realize there's likely gonna be a meta shifting patch before TI6 I can also play all those heroes, doesnt make me an adequate replacement for w33. Am saying it would be more logical to replace EE with RTZ instead of W33. | ||
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goody153
44203 Posts
On March 24 2016 03:46 Super_Style wrote: One thing id like explained, why kick the 2nd best invoker player in the world in the current invoker meta for another, better version of EE(that being rtz). Makes no since to me, what are they gonna play mid now, they dont have an invoker, dp, zeus, wr, qop, itd. player... same problem as with s4 back in 2015 when out of all mid heroes he could only play qop. Arteezy being best SF in the world means nothing atm, thus i dont understand artEEzy combo at this point in time. He can play DP and WR (to some extent he was one of the first WR spammers before it came into meta but not as good as w33ha), he can play invoker on pubs but he's not good at the hero in pro-games as far as i've seen. I doubt invoker is gonna last long before it gets nerfed. He was always the weaker qop player for the teams he played with. (compared to suma1l and s4). OD was like one of his best heroes back before he switched full 1 position but idk it's OD it's gonna get nerf hammered. I think the switch is more of player difference than hero pool difference. | ||
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MXVI
Germany6 Posts
On March 24 2016 03:59 Super_Style wrote: He was one of the best when he could play SF every game or Bristle. That is irrelevant now, and which is why i raised this question. Just out of memory some "mid" heroes he played really well (pubs and pro games): TA, Invoker, Puck, Storm, Naga, SF, QoP, Lesh | ||
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
the guy was #1 mid in the world for a reason, just because ppd sucks and can't realize that, utilizing him as a 1 position instead was his own fault, and probably why rtz left | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
Guess people take the Sprouteezy memes of Reddit too seriously? | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
He was terrible against Ehome and sub par against mvp | ||
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hound_98
United States66 Posts
On March 24 2016 11:33 FuzzyJAM wrote: Arteezy and Universe are much better than W33 and Misery. I don't even understand how this is up for debate. Guess people take the Sprouteezy memes of Reddit too seriously? Yeah man that's what I've been saying this whole time. There's no way so many secret fans are this uninformed and jump to conclusions. This is a very understandable and high potential business transaction. From what Ive heard ee and rtz have some history and this bond can translate to better team composition while puppey and 1437 make the decisions. You cant really judge rtz coming from a completely different team, being on secret will be sorta a new environment with EE and PLD there. We don't know yet how it'll work out, we'll just have to wait and see. My bet is that this new secret team ends up being pretty darn solid. Maybe not at first, but over time. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On March 24 2016 11:33 FuzzyJAM wrote: Arteezy and Universe are much better than W33 and Misery. I don't even understand how this is up for debate. Guess people take the Sprouteezy memes of Reddit too seriously? Universe is easily an upgrade. No debate at all. Rtz though is questionable, not because of skill difference, but because of skill sets. He and w33 are very different players. Rtz's style for the past 2 years have been always the #1 either in safe lane or mid lane. He is unproven with space creating heroes like invoker qop puck zeus brew etc which is fine if he has a teammate that can play that role from the safelane or take his place in mid (fear Mason s4) but envy isn't such a player (or is unproven too). | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
If they don't they don't. But I've seen a lot of people saying W33 is the better player, not just the better fit. That's just wrong. | ||
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adzzlie
Korea (South)81 Posts
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