EPTOn August 08 2015 23:24 BoesFX wrote:
Don't kick Black and maybe VG got the same place as IG.
Don't kick Black and maybe VG got the same place as IG.
You know thats some Kind of meme?
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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syw651
Australia349 Posts
On August 08 2015 11:23 Doraemon wrote: i reckon ice and hao are gone. And I hear RotK is a fairly good captian and offlaner. And maybe Sylar would make quite a stable carry for the team  | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On August 09 2015 17:02 syw651 wrote: And I hear RotK is a fairly good captian and offlaner. And maybe Sylar would make quite a stable carry for the team I see what you did there. | ||
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Azimuth
231 Posts
We saw yesterday how CDEC fell apart because their mid can't play Lesh and Sumail dominated the lane against him with a freaking Ember. Ember should never win vs Lesh mid in this patch at the highest level of Dota, heck he should get crushed. I'm curious what will happen with Super, he's a bit of a weak link but he's also been with VIci a long time now. Their other weakness was their drafts. Sometimes they draft poorly or like in game 3 vs LGD they have a draft that needs to be played almost perfectly to work. | ||
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goody153
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But if he has a large contribution of VG's decision making ingame and why they are a successful team then there's prolly that. | ||
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Azimuth
231 Posts
On August 10 2015 00:20 goody153 wrote: I found Super underwhelming compared to the other mids of china . Like you can count on Ferrari, Mu , Maybe and others to have a more stable performance most of the time than him outside some periods where he was suddenly so fucking good but mostly he is not really impressive compared to others . But if he has a large contribution of VG's decision making ingame and why they are a successful team then there's prolly that. Eh, Ferrari has been pretty underwhelming aswell, and same as Super had a great game here and there but no consistency. At this point I'd prefer Mu over Super, especially if Hao stays because those 2 go way back. I think the biggest thing for VG though has to be a change of leadership. It seems these days players individual skill is pretty close so the best teams are the ones with best drafts, strategy and mental stability. At the highest level of play just outskilling your opponent isn't enough, best example probably being Secret. | ||
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goody153
44202 Posts
Yes please ! I just wanna see Hao and Mu together. | ||
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Azimuth
231 Posts
On August 10 2015 01:01 goody153 wrote: Really? Well this tournament and a short while before TI5 ferrari did kinda not do so hot. Although out of all IG he usually is the stable one from what i've seen. Yes please ! I just wanna see Hao and Mu together. This whole patch Ferrari has been kinda off but so has been the whole IG so hard to say I guess. He'll probably never leave IG though so I don't even consider him as an option in case they were to replace Super which is possible but not very likely because he's been a big part of Vici for a considerable time now. | ||
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goody153
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On August 10 2015 01:09 Azimuth wrote: This whole patch Ferrari has been kinda off but so has been the whole IG so hard to say I guess. He'll probably never leave IG though so I don't even consider him as an option in case they were to replace Super which is possible but not very likely because he's been a big part of Vici for a considerable time now. Yeah he's prolly as important as FY to VG now. (not the brand uhm the player for the team) If he's like the important part of VG's ingame decision making as a team then yeah prolly unlikely | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On August 10 2015 00:20 goody153 wrote: I found Super underwhelming compared to the other mids of china . Like you can count on Ferrari, Mu , Maybe and others to have a more stable performance most of the time than him outside some periods where he was suddenly so fucking good but mostly he is not really impressive compared to others . But if he has a large contribution of VG's decision making ingame and why they are a successful team then there's prolly that. Yeah, super's a great player in his own right but his inability to dominate mid seems to limit fy's drafting. | ||
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gaijindash
Japan376 Posts
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opterown
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
which Chinese mid is actually better significantly and available? mu is one... but he's not a dominate mid... ferrari will stay with iG most likely. Both are not really that better than super. maybe, CTY? air? VG don't look like a team that want to foster younger talents, and even if they do, they probably take someone from VG.young There is no Chinese Sumail... or Chinese RTZ looking outside of China, Mushi will suit assuming if he want to come back to China. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
On August 10 2015 01:15 synapse wrote: Yeah, super's a great player in his own right but his inability to dominate mid seems to limit fy's drafting. which Chinese mid is actually dominant in the same fashion as RTZ/Sumail? no one and that is the problem. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 10 2015 12:49 haduken wrote: which Chinese mid is actually dominant in the same fashion as RTZ/Sumail? no one and that is the problem. maybe. also cty and mu and ferrari when they are in form | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
I think Ferrari is an upgrade. But what Vici really needs is a top drafter. They ran out of ideas against lgd. | ||
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goody153
44202 Posts
On August 10 2015 12:57 DucK- wrote: I didn't see the usual feeding super this TI. But I also didn't see much of the 'hot' super too. An invisible performance by him. I think Ferrari is an upgrade. But what Vici really needs is a top drafter. They ran out of ideas against lgd. there's literally just xiao8, rotk and q(we still have to find out if he can draft in longer time) on the chinese scene. Ferrari may never happen he's too deep of IG. On August 10 2015 12:47 opterown wrote: mu to VG would be nice Hao + Mu all over again pls ! i'd like to see that | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
On August 10 2015 12:51 opterown wrote: maybe. also cty and mu and ferrari when they are in form i keep watching ferrari to see when he make things happen, it ain't happening. CTY is suppose to be the next Chinese hope. Got rekt vs RTZ and Sumail. Mu RPG'ed, still I don't consider him dominant, going from Super to Mu is not really that big an upgrade. Maybe may or may not pan out, time will tell. Then there is the great problem for every mid that you've listed. When they are IN FORM. Sumail/RTZ almost always perform for their teams (win or lose), the Chinese mids need a good day to be even, nevermind winning. Consistency is the key to domination. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
cty and maybe definitely can match up to sumail mid, or come extremely close to it Sumail needs an extraordinary amount of space to be impactful. Watch EG CDEC game 2 where the mid broodmother sucked up all of EG's jungle, sumail was extremely famished and could not perform. By contrast super doesn't suck up the jungle nearly as much, and as a result his mid is at an disadvantage super's hero has just been underperforming this patch. He's a backbone mid, if you imagine fear played mid. His heros are dp / razor / dk, and none of those are popular during TI5. I don't know. I'd like to see a mid upgrade as well but I think a team sticking together and improving is more important than getting good players, as seen by secret (what a joke). | ||
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goody153
44202 Posts
On August 10 2015 14:24 evanthebouncy! wrote: I watched all the TI5 games. cty and maybe definitely can match up to sumail mid, or come extremely close to it Sumail needs an extraordinary amount of space to be impactful. Watch EG CDEC game 2 where the mid broodmother sucked up all of EG's jungle, sumail was extremely famished and could not perform. By contrast super doesn't suck up the jungle nearly as much, and as a result his mid is at an disadvantage super's hero has just been underperforming this patch. He's a backbone mid, if you imagine fear played mid. His heros are dp / razor / dk, and none of those are popular during TI5. I don't know. I'd like to see a mid upgrade as well but I think a team sticking together and improving is more important than getting good players, as seen by secret (what a joke). Well secret underperformed this TI5 but it's not like the roster didn't get stronger when somebody got added they definitely improved multiple times over when they added zai and rtz. They even dominated so hard for a while even as an evidence. Obviously all teams have periods of slump it's a shame that they slumped during TI5 the tournament that matters the most but at the end of the day everybody gives their best every tournament they sucked during TI. And TI is just another tournament honestly without the money and fame. It's just like SL12 run by secret. Also fear played mid back on EG 2014 and he could play space creating mid heroes like puck for example so that does not excuse Super at all. | ||
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