The 6.83 favorite has a bit over a month to figure out what it is they don't get about 6.84. Unless there's some particular revelation, I don't seen them making top 3 at TI in this form.

syw651

Australia349 Posts

June 23 2015 08:57 GMT

#662

I think the individual skill and talent is all there. With a whole month and $15M as motivation, I really hope they get it together and surprise us again just like TI4

Azimuth

231 Posts

June 23 2015 09:00 GMT

#663

On June 23 2015 17:57 syw651 wrote:
I think the individual skill and talent is all there. With a whole month and $15M as motivation, I really hope they get it together and surprise us again just like TI4

They'll be back. Don't know if it will be enough to win a TI though.

Titusmaster6

United States5937 Posts

June 23 2015 15:10 GMT

#664

I'm hoping for the same!

cc1691

16 Posts

June 24 2015 01:37 GMT

#665

Throwback Tuesday:

Great casts, great game

'fy with his rotations'

What happened to this VG?!

evanthebouncy!

United States12796 Posts

June 26 2015 00:19 GMT

#666

cmon give it a break secret took couple months to get online as well, it only makes sense vg would take awhile with Hao

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

June 26 2015 03:33 GMT

#667

Vici is fine. The good thing is that it's clear they were trying out different drafts. So it's not a lack of competence. I think fy should remain the drafter, because unlike hao at least he doesn't get out drafted that often.

uriel-

Singapore1867 Posts

June 26 2015 04:22 GMT

#668

On June 26 2015 12:33 DucK- wrote:
Vici is fine. The good thing is that it's clear they were trying out different drafts. So it's not a lack of competence. I think fy should remain the drafter, because unlike hao at least he doesn't get out drafted that often.

Not like they switched to hao because fy got outdrafted in like a million grand finals in a row

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

June 26 2015 04:33 GMT

#669

On June 26 2015 13:22 uriel- wrote:

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Not like they switched to hao because fy got outdrafted in like a million grand finals in a row

They at least reached the grand finals.

Evander Berry Wall

United States1137 Posts

June 26 2015 12:31 GMT

#670

I think it's fair to say results were giving them good reason to try another drafter.

And I think it's fair to say that results have shown that Hao was not the one they were looking for.

So from here, they can either give Super, Fenrir, or iceiceice shots in the drafting chair, or resign to the notion that their drafting isn't getting better and just commit to stability instead, sticking with Hao or going back to Fy, and just concentrating on their other areas.

nojok

France15845 Posts

June 27 2015 21:20 GMT

#671

Seeing VG being stomped so hard by CDEC in WCA is painful, they were the providers of the best doto not so long ago.

unkkz

Norway2196 Posts

June 28 2015 09:04 GMT

#672

Would love to see iecx3 draft since he has had some creative stuff in the past. No ban draft anyone? Also think he said on dk he wanted to try drafting or i might remember wrong.

manicmessiah

United States107 Posts

June 30 2015 06:21 GMT

#673

I think the dip in the performance of VG is due to the switch in drafters, but they're not doing it because they don't trust fy. Imo the reason they are letting hao draft and trying this weird stuff is that they don't want to show their hand for TI. Mark my words, fy is going to draft at TI, and Vici will not perform too well in the group stage, but they will pull a Newbee during the brackets.

shouldbeworking

946 Posts

June 30 2015 08:05 GMT

#674

They probably don't want to get focused. However, this year the competition is arguably much better than before. If they are really trying to save strats they have to go up against much more versatile teams. They could try and do the same thing at TI4, but I think the results would be the same with them being top 4-2, but not champions. Having your own strategy is not enough when you also have to deal with other teams who will bring their own strong ideas to the table.

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

June 30 2015 10:07 GMT

#675

I wouldn't say they were hiding strats. They were genuinely testing out hao's drafts while they still had the opportunity. Coincidentally, it also means no one knows how fy will approach the drafts.

goody153

44202 Posts

August 03 2015 09:42 GMT

#676