the moment 6.84 hit VG just went on full tilt, its like they just forgot how to play dota suddenly. Not looking good for VG this TI5 tbh unless they up their draft or they stop drafting complacent because they are just not picking to their strengths

shouldbeworking

946 Posts

June 08 2015 02:29 GMT

#622

I guess whatever they were theorycrafting was wrong and that its causing problems in the team. FY said a month ago they had trust issues. Most of their losses has been blamed on drafts so I guess that's why Hao is drafting to try something different. Now that they failed at MDL we will see what happens at ESL. If we see someone else drafting (ice3 lol?) then we will know VG is really going full on fucken tilt.

Faruko

Chile34171 Posts

June 08 2015 02:33 GMT

#623

On June 08 2015 11:29 shouldbeworking wrote:
I guess whatever they were theorycrafting was wrong and that its causing problems in the team. FY said a month ago they had trust issues. Most of their losses has been blamed on drafts so I guess that's why Hao is drafting to try something different. Now that they failed at MDL we will see what happens at ESL. If we see someone else drafting (ice3 lol?) then we will know VG is really going full on fucken tilt.

To be fair, Secret went from Puppey --> Zai --> s4 in about 2 months

they just need to find the perfect one.

shouldbeworking

946 Posts

June 08 2015 03:01 GMT

#624

I doubt it's going to be Ice or Super. Maybe the silent one Fenrir is the answer?

Rix

Singapore39 Posts

June 08 2015 03:24 GMT

#625

I think Ice3 drafting with Fy and Hao making sure he doesnt make stupid mistakes would be the best.

goody153

44202 Posts

June 08 2015 14:18 GMT

#626

On June 08 2015 12:24 Rix wrote:
I think Ice3 drafting with Fy and Hao making sure he doesnt make stupid mistakes would be the best.

i'm sure everybody has inputs on the draft although whoever making the final decision(the captain) do matter

Azarkon

United States21060 Posts

June 08 2015 14:57 GMT

#627

Their problem isn't limited to drafting, it's also shot calling.

Ramiz1989

12124 Posts

June 16 2015 11:46 GMT

#628

http://www.gosugamers.net/dota2/news/31404-ace-fines-iceiceice-for-not-wearing-vg-jacket

What the hell? ROFL

Azimuth

231 Posts

June 18 2015 17:54 GMT

#629

First round against EG. This could be 2014 ESL One Frankfurt all over again for VG.

Outside of some questionable plays they played pretty damn well but the drafts have been poor to say the least.

I'd really like for Fy to start drafting again. His drafts had flaws but atleast had some sense.

RiZu

Singapore5715 Posts

June 19 2015 14:41 GMT

#630

I think VG will do well, Chinese teams has a thing for ESL One. I think every ESL event had been won by a Chinese teams. I might be wrong but who know.

Elurie

4716 Posts

June 19 2015 20:09 GMT

#631

On June 16 2015 20:46 Ramiz1989 wrote:
http://www.gosugamers.net/dota2/news/31404-ace-fines-iceiceice-for-not-wearing-vg-jacket

What the hell? ROFL

Haha. I've seen Chuan not wearing jackets quite often too. Maybe all teams should have t-shirts along with jackets, so players can chose which to wear. Or team-bandanas.

Calm_Dan

2 Posts

June 20 2015 01:04 GMT

#632

There was this translated interview in Dotaland with fy during the group stages in MDL and he said that the issue is that they haven't practiced much in a while. They're participating in pretty much every major tournament so maybe they're just exhausted. I'm not expecting much from them on ESL but I'd be shocked if their current form is the same for TI5 and they don't make top 3-4.

cc1691

16 Posts

June 20 2015 13:36 GMT

#633

They need fy to be the shot caller/drafter again. If you look at the booth during the draft, it Doesnt look like fy/Fenrir are happy that Super and hao are monopolizing the drafts and calls. The team looks very disorganized in their play.. I think both hao and fy are trying to decide the direction of the plays and the team looks disoriented as a result.

When Black was still in the team, he would be relatively quiet and it would be mostly fy/Super talking, with Icex3 and Super chipping in. Now the support dual is silent.

Why would you even draft fy wisp? That's not where his strengths lie.

bearbuddy

3442 Posts

June 20 2015 13:39 GMT

#634

Just saving strats by making Hao do the drafting.

yeah, that's what it is, of course.

uriel-

Singapore1867 Posts

June 20 2015 13:43 GMT

#635

Whatever this team is doing is not working out lol

The way they've been capitulating the past couple months, it doesn't even feel like a team anymore. You get a few moments of individual brilliance every game to remind you that the team has five amazing players, but then they inevitably collapse like a team that doesn't know what to draft and what to do every single game

VG plz

ref4

2933 Posts

June 20 2015 13:44 GMT

#636

VG's plays in these 2 games remind me of my pubs.

RiZu

Singapore5715 Posts

June 20 2015 14:05 GMT

#637

VG's strategy: Let just lose every other tournaments and win TI5. The lesser games you play, the harder it is for your opponents to figure you out. Pub style is pretty concealing <3 Positive thinking!

evanthebouncy!

United States12796 Posts

June 20 2015 15:02 GMT

#638

6.83, huge rubberbands, late game sniper n shit seems so strong.
VG goes full out aggro and is claimed best team in the world

6.84, more kill gold for supports, less rubber bands, and fighting lineup seems so strong.
VG goes very suck.

discuss?