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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
May 23 2015 17:29 GMT
#601
On May 23 2015 19:37 bearbuddy wrote:
Man. The struggle is real. Too many save the buddy syndrome and train feeds. Too many attempted turns that ultimately lead to 4,5-men wipe. Pretty ironic that while the previous iteration of the team thrived on 5-manning while this one seems to struggle in it.

I'm sure they'll eventually adjust, but in the mean time, perhaps they need a shot caller with a cooler head to stop those YOLO plays. It's like watching them repeatedly run into a brick wall.


when vg's fighting go bad it's usually like this
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
aboxcar
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States447 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-23 18:10:26
May 23 2015 18:10 GMT
#602
an author of this site not long ago praised vg precisely for their "train" playing style

but when they lose, we also blame the train style

??

such is how history is written
everything that rises must converge
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
May 23 2015 18:20 GMT
#603
On May 24 2015 03:10 aboxcar wrote:
an author of this site not long ago praised vg precisely for their "train" playing style

but when they lose, we also blame the train style

??

such is how history is written


Live by the train. Die by the train. Choo choo~

But no, that's not a contradiction.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
May 23 2015 20:48 GMT
#604
On May 24 2015 03:10 aboxcar wrote:
an author of this site not long ago praised vg precisely for their "train" playing style

but when they lose, we also blame the train style

??

such is how history is written

One dimensional team ?
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
BillGates
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
471 Posts
May 24 2015 08:05 GMT
#605
But I thought it was Black that was the problem no? That wasn't the case? How many first places with Hao as carry?
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-24 08:38:02
May 24 2015 08:27 GMT
#606
On May 24 2015 17:05 BillGates wrote:
But I thought it was Black that was the problem no? That wasn't the case? How many first places with Hao as carry?

starladder and if you really think hao isnt an upgrade over black you are blind
FTD
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
May 24 2015 09:10 GMT
#607
Most of their losses in finals were draft losses.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44266 Posts
May 24 2015 09:46 GMT
#608
On May 24 2015 17:05 BillGates wrote:
But I thought it was Black that was the problem no? That wasn't the case? How many first places with Hao as carry?

Hao is a huge upgrade from black it's very noticable.
this is a quote
syw651
Profile Joined April 2014
Australia349 Posts
May 24 2015 12:35 GMT
#609
On May 24 2015 18:10 DucK- wrote:
Most of their losses in finals were draft losses.

And even with subpar drafting they are still placing decently. It's just disappointing to see them fall just a little short several times in a row because of what seems like the same issue each time. But hopefully they'll work it out before TI5. In the long run, I think it's better to have your weaknesses pointed out now (when you have time to regroup and fix things) than to have them discovered during TI5.
Azimuth
Profile Joined April 2015
231 Posts
May 24 2015 13:27 GMT
#610
On May 24 2015 21:35 syw651 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2015 18:10 DucK- wrote:
Most of their losses in finals were draft losses.

And even with subpar drafting they are still placing decently. It's just disappointing to see them fall just a little short several times in a row because of what seems like the same issue each time. But hopefully they'll work it out before TI5. In the long run, I think it's better to have your weaknesses pointed out now (when you have time to regroup and fix things) than to have them discovered during TI5.


This is very true as long as they acknowledge their problems and put serious thought and work into fixing it.

If they just dismiss it as lack of practice or the new patch and those sort of excuses it could spell bad for them.
Even though with these problems they are still getting good results, they are after all a team made to win big LANs and eventually TI rather than just have good placements.
Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
May 24 2015 13:39 GMT
#611
At least from where i watched VG's problem seems to be that they can draft anyhow against tier 2 teams and just school them completely, but against tier 1 teams that can draft well and outdraft them VG just gets stuck on what to do and just is unable to adapt to the outdraft, instead randomly drafting a bunch of heroes that doesn't solve the problem.

I find it intriguing as they usually draft as a team and have such problems. Maybe if they allowed fy to draft himself he would have a clearer gameplan instead of taking in too many opinions and getting confused.
Lee Jaedong Fighting!
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-24 19:51:26
May 24 2015 19:51 GMT
#612
On May 24 2015 03:10 aboxcar wrote:
an author of this site not long ago praised vg precisely for their "train" playing style

but when they lose, we also blame the train style

??

such is how history is written


That they train is a fact, but if its any good or not depends on their results.
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
HighTimeDotA
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada1412 Posts
May 24 2015 19:55 GMT
#613
fy is not very good at adapting drafts. its like they have predetermined drafts and if it gets messed by bans they just go full retard.
rtz is like the Bieber of dota, true Canadian treasure.
Rix
Profile Joined May 2015
Singapore39 Posts
May 29 2015 07:27 GMT
#614
So Hao is drafting now for VG in their WCA match. Interesting....
rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
May 29 2015 07:33 GMT
#615
Wasn't there a time when he was TongFu's drafter? Or am I misremembering things.
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
May 29 2015 07:39 GMT
#616
not rmisremembering
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shouldbeworking
Profile Joined October 2014
946 Posts
May 29 2015 08:28 GMT
#617
Everyone blaming VG, but not praising the Director. He is the rock to VG's scissors. VG can't win with a lead and well...if they don't have one they are even more fucked. The little Emperor's kingdom is being ravaged by the more experienced Captains.
Azimuth
Profile Joined April 2015
231 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-05 14:50:05
June 05 2015 14:49 GMT
#618
Fy interview at MDL


Unfortunately no questions about Hao drafting.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 06 2015 04:47 GMT
#619
On May 29 2015 16:33 rebdomine wrote:
Wasn't there a time when he was TongFu's drafter? Or am I misremembering things.

he was even newbee's drafter for a time after xiao8 left
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cbk486
Profile Joined July 2014
154 Posts
June 07 2015 05:29 GMT
#620
Ugh. At least the doom pick was something I haven't seen in a while.
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