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On May 23 2015 19:37 bearbuddy wrote:
Man. The struggle is real. Too many save the buddy syndrome and train feeds. Too many attempted turns that ultimately lead to 4,5-men wipe. Pretty ironic that while the previous iteration of the team thrived on 5-manning while this one seems to struggle in it.
I'm sure they'll eventually adjust, but in the mean time, perhaps they need a shot caller with a cooler head to stop those YOLO plays. It's like watching them repeatedly run into a brick wall.
when vg's fighting go bad it's usually like this
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an author of this site not long ago praised vg precisely for their "train" playing style
but when they lose, we also blame the train style
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such is how history is written
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On May 24 2015 03:10 aboxcar wrote:
an author of this site not long ago praised vg precisely for their "train" playing style
but when they lose, we also blame the train style
??
such is how history is written
Live by the train. Die by the train. Choo choo~
But no, that's not a contradiction.
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On May 24 2015 03:10 aboxcar wrote:
an author of this site not long ago praised vg precisely for their "train" playing style
but when they lose, we also blame the train style
??
such is how history is written
One dimensional team ?
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But I thought it was Black that was the problem no? That wasn't the case? How many first places with Hao as carry?
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On May 24 2015 17:05 BillGates wrote:
But I thought it was Black that was the problem no? That wasn't the case? How many first places with Hao as carry?
starladder and if you really think hao isnt an upgrade over black you are blind
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Most of their losses in finals were draft losses.
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On May 24 2015 17:05 BillGates wrote:
But I thought it was Black that was the problem no? That wasn't the case? How many first places with Hao as carry?
Hao is a huge upgrade from black it's very noticable.
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On May 24 2015 18:10 DucK- wrote:
Most of their losses in finals were draft losses.
And even with subpar drafting they are still placing decently. It's just disappointing to see them fall just a little short several times in a row because of what seems like the same issue each time. But hopefully they'll work it out before TI5. In the long run, I think it's better to have your weaknesses pointed out now (when you have time to regroup and fix things) than to have them discovered during TI5.
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On May 24 2015 21:35 syw651 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 18:10 DucK- wrote:
Most of their losses in finals were draft losses. And even with subpar drafting they are still placing decently. It's just disappointing to see them fall just a little short several times in a row because of what seems like the same issue each time. But hopefully they'll work it out before TI5. In the long run, I think it's better to have your weaknesses pointed out now (when you have time to regroup and fix things) than to have them discovered during TI5.
This is very true as long as they acknowledge their problems and put serious thought and work into fixing it.
If they just dismiss it as lack of practice or the new patch and those sort of excuses it could spell bad for them.
Even though with these problems they are still getting good results, they are after all a team made to win big LANs and eventually TI rather than just have good placements.
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At least from where i watched VG's problem seems to be that they can draft anyhow against tier 2 teams and just school them completely, but against tier 1 teams that can draft well and outdraft them VG just gets stuck on what to do and just is unable to adapt to the outdraft, instead randomly drafting a bunch of heroes that doesn't solve the problem.
I find it intriguing as they usually draft as a team and have such problems. Maybe if they allowed fy to draft himself he would have a clearer gameplan instead of taking in too many opinions and getting confused.
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On May 24 2015 03:10 aboxcar wrote:
an author of this site not long ago praised vg precisely for their "train" playing style
but when they lose, we also blame the train style
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such is how history is written
That they train is a fact, but if its any good or not depends on their results.
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fy is not very good at adapting drafts. its like they have predetermined drafts and if it gets messed by bans they just go full retard.
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So Hao is drafting now for VG in their WCA match. Interesting....
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Wasn't there a time when he was TongFu's drafter? Or am I misremembering things.
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Everyone blaming VG, but not praising the Director. He is the rock to VG's scissors. VG can't win with a lead and well...if they don't have one they are even more fucked. The little Emperor's kingdom is being ravaged by the more experienced Captains.
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On May 29 2015 16:33 rebdomine wrote:
Wasn't there a time when he was TongFu's drafter? Or am I misremembering things.
he was even newbee's drafter for a time after xiao8 left
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Ugh. At least the doom pick was something I haven't seen in a while.
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EPT
