EPTVici Gaming Discussion - Page 30
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Thetwinmasters
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ActStyle
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RiZu
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DucK-
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cbk486
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On May 18 2015 14:19 DucK- wrote: So I said that Vici will pull a DK2014 in TI5, and I still stand by what I said. Basically they lose to themselves because they choke in drafts. Yeah...it pains me as a DK fanboi to see history repeat itself again. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On May 18 2015 14:19 DucK- wrote: So I said that Vici will pull a DK2014 in TI5, and I still stand by what I said. Basically they lose to themselves because they choke in drafts. The only intersection between VG2015 and DK2014 is Icex3. Are you saying that Icex3 is responsible for draft chokes? | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On May 19 2015 04:10 Azarkon wrote: The only intersection between VG2015 and DK2014 is Icex3. Are you saying that Icex3 is responsible for draft chokes? Or maybe teams can have similar issues without having the same players. How shocking a concept that would be. | ||
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syw651
Australia349 Posts
On May 19 2015 06:39 WolfintheSheep wrote: Or maybe teams can have similar issues without having the same players. How shocking a concept that would be. If I where to guess, it would be that a large individual skill advantage leads to complacency in other areas (such as draft). So when a new patch lowers that skill advantage right before TI, there isn't sufficient time to bring the other areas up to the same level. Iceiceice is just unlucky that he might end up being in this situation twice. | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
On May 19 2015 04:10 Azarkon wrote: The only intersection between VG2015 and DK2014 is Icex3. Are you saying that Icex3 is responsible for draft chokes? Well, imo, very possibly. Even though Ice3 is never the drafter for both team and he himself also admitted in the interviews that he was not good at drafting. Ice3 might be the reason of the choke for both team. Ice3 is versatile and talented. In order to make him shine, both teams picked him playmaker heroes instead of some utility heroes, that is why ice3 has an unconventional hero pool. For example, in DK2014, Nyx and Bat is often handed to Mushi because ice3 is not so good at them. As the result, both team can be cornered by this, the most obvious example is in WPC 2nd final, IG keep letting ice3 having his famous invoker or NP, which can result in an underfarmed Mushi that is easier to deal with. So ice3 is like, make a not so appropriate comparison in basketball, a PF that is very good at 3 point shooting. Very valuable as a player, but the coach might have some difficulties building strats around him. | ||
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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bearbuddy
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goody153
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On May 20 2015 09:27 bearbuddy wrote: I feel like the drafts are fine. Vici is just execution heavy and there's no appropriate practice partners against the western teams in china, leading to the derpy moments when the new patch hit. Give them a month and they'll be fine. i think VG has a better practice partners and environment than EG honestly .. Eg can't properly scrim against the EU teams and NA teams are shit. VG can completely go toe to toe with Secret or EG for sure and maybe in a better day i'm sure they could win. | ||
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bearbuddy
3442 Posts
On May 20 2015 10:16 goody153 wrote: i think VG has a better practice partners and environment than EG honestly .. Eg can't properly scrim against the EU teams and NA teams are shit. VG can completely go toe to toe with Secret or EG for sure and maybe in a better day i'm sure they could win. yeah, hence the day1 EG and that ppd is basically a genius. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12816 Posts
but odd numbered years are supposed to be a western year anyways, so... | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On May 20 2015 08:04 CxWiLL wrote: Well, imo, very possibly. Even though Ice3 is never the drafter for both team and he himself also admitted in the interviews that he was not good at drafting. Ice3 might be the reason of the choke for both team. Ice3 is versatile and talented. In order to make him shine, both teams picked him playmaker heroes instead of some utility heroes, that is why ice3 has an unconventional hero pool. For example, in DK2014, Nyx and Bat is often handed to Mushi because ice3 is not so good at them. As the result, both team can be cornered by this, the most obvious example is in WPC 2nd final, IG keep letting ice3 having his famous invoker or NP, which can result in an underfarmed Mushi that is easier to deal with. So ice3 is like, make a not so appropriate comparison in basketball, a PF that is very good at 3 point shooting. Very valuable as a player, but the coach might have some difficulties building strats around him. Iceiceice was always the nyx/bat player. Only when they decide to draft invoker, would they put mushi on those heroes. And that has nothing to do with ice being bad on nyx/bat, but mushi/burning being bad on invoker. Vici has no problems with invoker picks because super/black/Hao all can play him competently. | ||
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bearbuddy
3442 Posts
I'm sure they'll eventually adjust, but in the mean time, perhaps they need a shot caller with a cooler head to stop those YOLO plays. It's like watching them repeatedly run into a brick wall. | ||
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zdarr
France375 Posts
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