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Caladbolg
2855 Posts
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lprk
Poland2249 Posts
On May 12 2015 15:39 Caladbolg wrote: Why does Super get so much hate? I really can't understand that. He's been on so many winning teams, handled so many different egos and teammates, and still does very well on heroes that aren't often staple mids (and does well on the staple ones). I really don't get it. Thats because he is very inconsitent and he is either great or horrible, almost never middle ground. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On May 12 2015 15:39 Caladbolg wrote: Why does Super get so much hate? I really can't understand that. He's been on so many winning teams, handled so many different egos and teammates, and still does very well on heroes that aren't often staple mids (and does well on the staple ones). I really don't get it. That's because he is inconsistent as hell, and thinks that every hero has an innate 30 armour and 3k HP. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
Super's ember spirit, sniper and SF were crushing faces during VG's 6.83 run but I guess everyone knows VG is all about dat iceiceice and fy-god. | ||
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Azimuth
231 Posts
On May 12 2015 19:59 uriel- wrote: Nobody notices when super straight up carries the team, that's just him doing his job apparently. But everyone jumps on him when he underperforms. Super's ember spirit, sniper and SF were crushing faces during VG's 6.83 run but I guess everyone knows VG is all about dat iceiceice and fy-god. Sniper was sort of a cancer last patch, his Ember in 6.83 looked good because most of those games were stomps but it's not his fault Ember was trash last patch. I think he just needs to play heroes that can sometimes yolo a bit too much and still escape like QoP, Brewmaster and DK. | ||
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lprk
Poland2249 Posts
On May 12 2015 19:59 uriel- wrote: Nobody notices when super straight up carries the team, that's just him doing his job apparently. But everyone jumps on him when he underperforms. Super's ember spirit, sniper and SF were crushing faces during VG's 6.83 run but I guess everyone knows VG is all about dat iceiceice and fy-god. But it's consitency that wins tournaments not great performances from time to time, VG would have far better shot at winning TI if he was consintently good-very good instead of sometimes horrible sometimes great. | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On May 12 2015 20:20 lprk wrote: But it's consitency that wins tournaments not great performances from time to time, VG would have far better shot at winning TI if he was consintently good-very good instead of sometimes horrible sometimes great. You are not making sense because consistency is by definition a quality over a period of time while tournaments represent a specific point in time. Being consistently somewhat good is not as good as being amazing during the tournament itself, if you had to choose. Obviously being consistently amazing is the best, but not many (nobody) can achieve that. Super was awful in the period leading up to TI4 and then stepped it up during the event. Mu is well-known in the chinese scene for being a hot-and-cold player, and also stepped it up after joining Newbee and then into the TI4 brackets. Those two teams went to the finals. Consistency is a desirable characteristic, but so are so many other things that constitute a player. I just don't know why it's so important to identify a scapegoat when the team as a whole was clearly not in a good condition during that series. It's a small tournament right before a much bigger one, and even the manager said they are using to experiment. Let's see how the team does at TS3 before going into crisis mode, please. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On May 12 2015 19:59 uriel- wrote: Nobody notices when super straight up carries the team, that's just him doing his job apparently. But everyone jumps on him when he underperforms. Super's ember spirit, sniper and SF were crushing faces during VG's 6.83 run but I guess everyone knows VG is all about dat iceiceice and fy-god. I slam super all the time, but I do give credit in the few games that he shows up and dominate. I think everyone slamming super recognises that he has his A games. But I think we rather have a player that consistently gets a B grade, rather than one that gets B 65% of the time, C 25% of the time, and A 10% of the time. A player that we can depend on, that won't lose you the game. | ||
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Thetwinmasters
3578 Posts
On May 13 2015 01:06 DucK- wrote: I slam super all the time, but I do give credit in the few games that he shows up and dominate. I think everyone slamming super recognises that he has his A games. But I think we rather have a player that consistently gets a B grade, rather than one that gets B 65% of the time, C 25% of the time, and A 10% of the time. A player that we can depend on, that won't lose you the game. Change that C to a F and i agree with you | ||
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HighTimeDotA
Canada1412 Posts
its just like people flaming rotk and xiao8 and they got second and first at ti4. gg haters. | ||
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TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
On May 13 2015 05:40 HighTimeDotA wrote: if super was as bad as noobs think he is he wouldve been replaced already. its just like people flaming rotk and xiao8 and they got second and first at ti4. gg haters. that doesnt mean people cant talk/flame about them. rotk is one of my favourite players and there is a reason why he can consistently compete with the best teams in the world but that doesnt mean we cant talk about his sheever ravages | ||
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Azimuth
231 Posts
On May 13 2015 05:40 HighTimeDotA wrote: if super was as bad as noobs think he is he wouldve been replaced already. its just like people flaming rotk and xiao8 and they got second and first at ti4. gg haters. To be fair, rotk and xiao8 are known for their leadership, drafting and just in general captaining a team, neither of them are known as great mechanical players and they don't play mid which is probably the most mechanic intense position. | ||
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Rix
Singapore39 Posts
On May 13 2015 06:49 Azimuth wrote: To be fair, rotk and xiao8 are known for their leadership, drafting and just in general captaining a team, neither of them are known as great mechanical players and they don't play mid which is probably the most mechanic intense position. I believe Xiao8 played mid for LGD in 2013 and more recently for Big God | ||
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goody153
44308 Posts
On May 13 2015 18:12 Rix wrote: I believe Xiao8 played mid for LGD in 2013 and more recently for Big God he's not really amazing at mid .. the current mid Maybe obviously plays a better mid than him | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On May 13 2015 01:06 DucK- wrote: I slam super all the time, but I do give credit in the few games that he shows up and dominate. I think everyone slamming super recognises that he has his A games. But I think we rather have a player that consistently gets a B grade, rather than one that gets B 65% of the time, C 25% of the time, and A 10% of the time. A player that we can depend on, that won't lose you the game. As I was saying, a consistent B grade doesn't win TI. If he is F- throughout the year and goes A+ during TI, that wins TI. That's an extreme exaggeration obviously but you get my point. And I don't think super "lost VG the game" either - their losses against empire came down to drafts and misplays by everyone, including things that aren't so obvious like vision and team decisions. Nobody seems to be criticizing the captain and drafter even though that's the person who should come under fire first and foremost when teams get thoroughly outplayed - for some reason it's always "super the weakest link". | ||
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BoesFX
1466 Posts
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Atoissen
Norway1737 Posts
On May 13 2015 18:22 goody153 wrote: he's not really amazing at mid .. the current mid Maybe obviously plays a better mid than him Xiao8 was a amazing mid, and I believe he still would be if that was the pos he practiced. | ||
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fluidin
Singapore1084 Posts
iceiceice interview in case anyone hasn't caught it yet. Warning: rated R | ||
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goody153
44308 Posts
On May 13 2015 19:55 Atoissen wrote: Xiao8 was a amazing mid, and I believe he still would be if that was the pos he practiced. honestly while he was good .. he wasn't that "good" like the difference between sing, mynuts from the best mids like Ferrari/rtz/others also it's a waste to put Maybe on something he doesn't excel that's like putting suma1l on support or something where he couldn't what he does best | ||
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