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Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
February 08 2018 18:57 GMT
#5341
If OG is tier 2, what is Alliance tier 4 or 5?
GO OG
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-08 19:01:29
February 08 2018 19:01 GMT
#5342
On February 09 2018 03:57 Sapaio wrote:
If OG is tier 2, what is Alliance tier 4 or 5?

Alliance is a new team, cant really say what tier they are after 3 series. Or do you want to tell me OG is Tier 1?
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-08 19:12:15
February 08 2018 19:11 GMT
#5343
On February 09 2018 04:01 hunter_x wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 03:57 Sapaio wrote:
If OG is tier 2, what is Alliance tier 4 or 5?

Alliance is a new team, cant really say what tier they are after 3 series. Or do you want to tell me OG is Tier 1?


Unless you define tier1 as Liquid/Secret/Newbee (VP is in the air with the rooster change) then of course they are tier1. There is no way that OG winning a big LAN would be an upset.

And there was no point today where Alliance was winning. Game 1 OG executed their game plan and won, period. If you count not getting rolled over as "playing well" then fine, they played well. And when you're losing a game in 20 minutes there's just no excuses. That draft wasn't OG pulling some rabbit out of their head- that Storm pick was Alliance putting a gun in their mouths and pulling the trigger.
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-08 19:21:39
February 08 2018 19:20 GMT
#5344
On February 09 2018 04:11 nothingmuch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 04:01 hunter_x wrote:
On February 09 2018 03:57 Sapaio wrote:
If OG is tier 2, what is Alliance tier 4 or 5?

Alliance is a new team, cant really say what tier they are after 3 series. Or do you want to tell me OG is Tier 1?


Unless you define tier1 as Liquid/Secret/Newbee (VP is in the air with the rooster change) then of course they are tier1. There is no way that OG winning a big LAN would be an upset.

And there was no point today where Alliance was winning. Game 1 OG executed their game plan and won, period. If you count not getting rolled over as "playing well" then fine, they played well. And when you're losing a game in 20 minutes there's just no excuses. That draft wasn't OG pulling some rabbit out of their head- that Storm pick was Alliance putting a gun in their mouths and pulling the trigger.

You got it right, those teams you mentioned are my definition of Tier 1. Og has achieved nothing since kiew, they are Tier 2 for sure. And for sure i would be surprised if OG win a big LAN, if Liquid/Secret/Newbee is there. But what do i know, im apparently just a Resident village Idiot;)
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-08 19:38:17
February 08 2018 19:36 GMT
#5345
If that's your definition then your previous statement is exactly that- village idiot tier. If tier2 means teams like EG,OG,Mineski, LGD etc. (maybe even VP) and "Alliance is a new team, cant really say what tier they are after 3 series" then "not that strong" and "I would not be surprised (...if Alliance win)" are just clueless statements.

I'm gonna let it go now, this is the Alliance thread and I hope they'll get back on track- there were some hopeful signs in those last 2 and a half series.
Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
February 08 2018 19:37 GMT
#5346
On February 09 2018 04:01 hunter_x wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 03:57 Sapaio wrote:
If OG is tier 2, what is Alliance tier 4 or 5?

Alliance is a new team, cant really say what tier they are after 3 series. Or do you want to tell me OG is Tier 1?


I can agree that OG at the moment ain't tier 1 , but you made it sound like Alliance was also tier 2 earlier. Just think there is a class difference and i know they are newly formed, but you made it sound like they where already there. So just pointing out that OG is still a tier or more ahead.
GO OG
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
February 08 2018 19:41 GMT
#5347
On February 09 2018 04:37 Sapaio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 04:01 hunter_x wrote:
On February 09 2018 03:57 Sapaio wrote:
If OG is tier 2, what is Alliance tier 4 or 5?

Alliance is a new team, cant really say what tier they are after 3 series. Or do you want to tell me OG is Tier 1?


I can agree that OG at the moment ain't tier 1 , but you made it sound like Alliance was also tier 2 earlier. Just think there is a class difference and i know they are newly formed, but you made it sound like they where already there. So just pointing out that OG is still a tier or more ahead.

I just said from what alliance showed in their first two series, that i could see them beat og. Obviously i was wrong, maybe OG also got better the last few weeks, because it was pretty convincing, especially game 2.
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
February 08 2018 19:45 GMT
#5348
On February 09 2018 04:36 nothingmuch wrote:
If that's your definition then your previous statement is exactly that- village idiot tier. If tier2 means teams like EG,OG,Mineski, LGD etc. (maybe even VP) and "Alliance is a new team, cant really say what tier they are after 3 series" then "not that strong" and "I would not be surprised (...if Alliance win)" are just clueless statements.

I'm gonna let it go now, this is the Alliance thread and I hope they'll get back on track- there were some hopeful signs in those last 2 and a half series.

Picking those quotes from me all out of context sure does make you look smart. Good that we have such intelligent people in this community. Im from Munich by the way, not exactly a village xD
jack_knife
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany343 Posts
February 08 2018 20:38 GMT
#5349
there are many good tier1 teams in the world, newbee, vg, vp, secret, even og, they are all good teams. back to the day team liquid couldn't even qualify anything after jerax left, untill they got GH, even though took them half year to find the solution. OG is not that good because of notail's playstyle, but they are back to track, they qualified 2 majors in a row and won a lan.
jack_knife
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany343 Posts
February 08 2018 20:43 GMT
#5350
and why loda still playing, he seems like weaker notail right now, less farm, less impact. even notail is og's weakness right now. this lineup has tier1 potential with a better carry.
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
February 08 2018 22:12 GMT
#5351
Damn, this day went as i expect day 1 to go , whatever, they already went far and i'm happy with that :p, when's next tourney? :D
The Real Power~
jack_knife
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany343 Posts
February 08 2018 22:17 GMT
#5352
loda is the weakness
Nikto
Profile Joined May 2014
Slovakia410 Posts
February 08 2018 22:36 GMT
#5353
On February 09 2018 05:38 jack_knife wrote:
there are many good tier1 teams in the world, newbee, vg, vp, secret, even og, they are all good teams. back to the day team liquid couldn't even qualify anything after jerax left, untill they got GH, even though took them half year to find the solution. OG is not that good because of notail's playstyle, but they are back to track, they qualified 2 majors in a row and won a lan.


except there are not and you can see it in every tournament the current let's say outstanding top 3 teams trash the others

also why don't you swallow your pride and try to communicate with hunter in a normal way instead of trying to provoke him, you are creating this toxic atmosphere in the Alliance forum now, not him

I for one am happy Alliance is on the map again and my expectations for them are pretty low, but I expect them to improve and prove me wrong if they can, if they can't, well at least they tried
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-08 22:59:23
February 08 2018 22:52 GMT
#5354
On February 09 2018 04:45 hunter_x wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 04:36 nothingmuch wrote:
If that's your definition then your previous statement is exactly that- village idiot tier. If tier2 means teams like EG,OG,Mineski, LGD etc. (maybe even VP) and "Alliance is a new team, cant really say what tier they are after 3 series" then "not that strong" and "I would not be surprised (...if Alliance win)" are just clueless statements.

I'm gonna let it go now, this is the Alliance thread and I hope they'll get back on track- there were some hopeful signs in those last 2 and a half series.

Picking those quotes from me all out of context sure does make you look smart. Good that we have such intelligent people in this community. Im from Munich by the way, not exactly a village xD


Oh please. How are those quotes out of context? Feel free to point out how they're not fitting to the Alliance win vs OG tier discussion. I wouldn't even know what other context there could possibly be seeing as we've only been discussing 1 topic here and it's a consecutive comment chain.

And when someone calls you the resident village idiot, he's not talking about your IRL location, buddy. You're not exactly making it hard to "look smart" here.
Papercappu
Profile Joined July 2015
Canada2210 Posts
February 08 2018 23:06 GMT
#5355
Alliance is a solid tier 2 for me. they beat kinguin. OG should be tier 1.5. they're like Secret from last year
lowdice
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden306 Posts
February 08 2018 23:15 GMT
#5356
On February 09 2018 07:36 Nikto wrote:

also why don't you swallow your pride and try to communicate with hunter in a normal way instead of trying to provoke him, you are creating this toxic atmosphere in the Alliance forum now, not him



Oh please. We've tried that. It's no use. He is the toxic one here.
You only have a little spark of madness, you mustn't lose it!
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
February 08 2018 23:26 GMT
#5357
On February 09 2018 08:15 lowdice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 07:36 Nikto wrote:

also why don't you swallow your pride and try to communicate with hunter in a normal way instead of trying to provoke him, you are creating this toxic atmosphere in the Alliance forum now, not him



Oh please. We've tried that. It's no use. He is the toxic one here.

You know that people also can change right? In 2016 and maybe early 2017 i was pretty toxic in this forum, and i also got my fair share of bans for it. Doesnt mean i am a saint now, but i dont think i am that angry anymore (i was back then). I had my reasons too, which i dont want to discuss here...
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
February 08 2018 23:29 GMT
#5358
On February 09 2018 07:52 nothingmuch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 04:45 hunter_x wrote:
On February 09 2018 04:36 nothingmuch wrote:
If that's your definition then your previous statement is exactly that- village idiot tier. If tier2 means teams like EG,OG,Mineski, LGD etc. (maybe even VP) and "Alliance is a new team, cant really say what tier they are after 3 series" then "not that strong" and "I would not be surprised (...if Alliance win)" are just clueless statements.

I'm gonna let it go now, this is the Alliance thread and I hope they'll get back on track- there were some hopeful signs in those last 2 and a half series.

Picking those quotes from me all out of context sure does make you look smart. Good that we have such intelligent people in this community. Im from Munich by the way, not exactly a village xD


Oh please. How are those quotes out of context? Feel free to point out how they're not fitting to the Alliance win vs OG tier discussion. I wouldn't even know what other context there could possibly be seeing as we've only been discussing 1 topic here and it's a consecutive comment chain.

And when someone calls you the resident village idiot, he's not talking about your IRL location, buddy. You're not exactly making it hard to "look smart" here.

whatever, i dont want to discuss this with you anymore, doesnt lead to anything, and i off topic too. I knew what you meant with your village Idiot phrase, i am not that dumb. I was joking about that, notice my smiley at the end;)
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
February 09 2018 07:09 GMT
#5359
On February 09 2018 08:29 hunter_x wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 07:52 nothingmuch wrote:
On February 09 2018 04:45 hunter_x wrote:
On February 09 2018 04:36 nothingmuch wrote:
If that's your definition then your previous statement is exactly that- village idiot tier. If tier2 means teams like EG,OG,Mineski, LGD etc. (maybe even VP) and "Alliance is a new team, cant really say what tier they are after 3 series" then "not that strong" and "I would not be surprised (...if Alliance win)" are just clueless statements.

I'm gonna let it go now, this is the Alliance thread and I hope they'll get back on track- there were some hopeful signs in those last 2 and a half series.

Picking those quotes from me all out of context sure does make you look smart. Good that we have such intelligent people in this community. Im from Munich by the way, not exactly a village xD


Oh please. How are those quotes out of context? Feel free to point out how they're not fitting to the Alliance win vs OG tier discussion. I wouldn't even know what other context there could possibly be seeing as we've only been discussing 1 topic here and it's a consecutive comment chain.

And when someone calls you the resident village idiot, he's not talking about your IRL location, buddy. You're not exactly making it hard to "look smart" here.

whatever, i dont want to discuss this with you anymore, doesnt lead to anything, and i off topic too. I knew what you meant with your village Idiot phrase, i am not that dumb. I was joking about that, notice my smiley at the end;)


Fair enough my bad then. "Schwamm drüber".
jack_knife
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany343 Posts
February 09 2018 08:23 GMT
#5360
On February 09 2018 08:26 hunter_x wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 08:15 lowdice wrote:
On February 09 2018 07:36 Nikto wrote:

also why don't you swallow your pride and try to communicate with hunter in a normal way instead of trying to provoke him, you are creating this toxic atmosphere in the Alliance forum now, not him



Oh please. We've tried that. It's no use. He is the toxic one here.

You know that people also can change right? In 2016 and maybe early 2017 i was pretty toxic in this forum, and i also got my fair share of bans for it. Doesnt mean i am a saint now, but i dont think i am that angry anymore (i was back then). I had my reasons too, which i dont want to discuss here...

you are still that one, nothing changes. you are the only one, make me dislike a team.
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