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On April 08 2015 15:23 Salazarz wrote:
PR was hardly doing better than Na'Vi, Goblak wasn't on any team either. The only person you could make a case for is DkPhobos really, but then again even Phobos was long affiliated with Na'Vi and supposedly only reason he didn't join them way back before going to Polars was because Na'Vi had no place for him - Alliance taking EGM from Tinker wasn't all that different.
Goblak was on VP.P.
And what do you mean EGM leaving Tinker wasn't different? For one, Tinker was bleeding more players than Na'Vi. For another, Tinker and Alliance are both GGA. How do you poach players from yourself?
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Alliance did alot of tryouts and didnt do a big pressrelease every time when they tested out another composition.
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On April 08 2015 16:26 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 15:23 Salazarz wrote:
PR was hardly doing better than Na'Vi, Goblak wasn't on any team either. The only person you could make a case for is DkPhobos really, but then again even Phobos was long affiliated with Na'Vi and supposedly only reason he didn't join them way back before going to Polars was because Na'Vi had no place for him - Alliance taking EGM from Tinker wasn't all that different. Goblak was on VP.P. And what do you mean EGM leaving Tinker wasn't different? For one, Tinker was bleeding more players than Na'Vi. For another, Tinker and Alliance are both GGA. How do you poach players from yourself?
Wasn't FNG <> Goblak a trade both parties were interested in? I might be wrong on that though, don't remember the details. And what are you talkin about with Tinker and Alliance being 'both GGA', how is that in any way relevant. Like, if you're okay with teams having a common sponsor trading players in that way, how is a team buying out a player from another team somehow worse?
Alliance did alot of tryouts and didnt do a big pressrelease every time when they tested out another composition.
So would you prefer them swap players without saying anything to anyone? Sorta doubt they'd get any less hate if that were the case, rather it'd be even more if anything.
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I dislike navi because of the way they ditched fng #neverforget. After that fact they went all emo with their decisions once per month orso, making them look like a bigger joke each time. Now, i'm not saying this old Navi Squad is washed up, but i think navi is making irrational decisions for over a year now eversince ppy+kky left. If this next "experiment" doesn't work out well, its about time to make rational decisions for once.
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On April 08 2015 20:44 govie wrote:
I dislike navi because of the way they ditched fng #neverforget. After that fact they went all emo with their decisions once per month orso, making them look like a bigger joke each time. Now, i'm not saying this old Navi Squad is washed up, but i think navi is making irrational decisions for over a year now eversince ppy+kky left. If this next "experiment" doesn't work out well, its about time to make rational decisions for once.
Personally I would have preferred they'd stick with FNG longer, but it's kind of dumb to blame and hate them for trying to get the best lineup they can if they feel like what they have isn't going to work. I mean, you don't have to like the team - we all have teams we dislike, but the amount of flame and trolling they're getting lately is kind of ridiculous.
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On April 08 2015 20:44 govie wrote:
I dislike navi because of the way they ditched fng #neverforget. After that fact they went all emo with their decisions once per month orso, making them look like a bigger joke each time. Now, i'm not saying this old Navi Squad is washed up, but i think navi is making irrational decisions for over a year now eversince ppy+kky left. If this next "experiment" doesn't work out well, its about time to make rational decisions for once.
So you pretty much hate the way the world works ?
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On April 08 2015 21:28 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 20:44 govie wrote:
I dislike navi because of the way they ditched fng #neverforget. After that fact they went all emo with their decisions once per month orso, making them look like a bigger joke each time. Now, i'm not saying this old Navi Squad is washed up, but i think navi is making irrational decisions for over a year now eversince ppy+kky left. If this next "experiment" doesn't work out well, its about time to make rational decisions for once. So you pretty much hate the way the world works ?
No, i dislike flawed perceptions.
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Dota 2 has the most hypocrite fans around
Everyone says "if they dont show promise or work on the first 2 weeks to a month, that line up will never do" so... teams (NaVi) do that, line up doesnt work and they change players, then they say "OMG, SO UNSTABLE, PLEASE DISBAND".
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Not to mention, FNG was on Navi for 3 months, the same time that tryouts last on every knid of work
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Well people say that they are unstable cause they deffinitely are unstable, i feel like that is a valid complaint. What bothers me the most is that they alwasy take good players from other teams to make the best CIS line-up while having Dendi and Xboct in every single line-up, like Dendi and Xboct are the best CIS players on their position.
I'm not saying they are bad players, but it seems like there is something fundamentaly wrong about that team (I'm not saying that Dendi or Xboct are problem) and people hate when problems are kept in secret so they complain about everything
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On April 08 2015 23:00 Kometijanac wrote:
Well people say that they are unstable cause they deffinitely are unstable, i feel like that is a valid complaint. What bothers me the most is that they alwasy take good players from other teams to make the best CIS line-up while having Dendi and Xboct in every single line-up, like Dendi and Xboct are the best CIS players on their position.
I'm not saying they are bad players, but it seems like there is something fundamentaly wrong about that team (I'm not saying that Dendi or Xboct are problem) and people hate when problems are kept in secret so they complain about everything
The guys won an International, finished second in 2 more and a mid-table finish in another one, all the while winning shittons of other tournaments and having serious internal issues for at least a year if not more. Obviously the now-departed Puppey was an important part of these results, but it's not like he was always perfect or it was always all him carrying the rest of the team. They are obviously capable of playing at the absolute top level, whether they will find another captain that's as capable as Puppey and fits their playstyles / whatever else it is, is obviously a big question and saying that there is something 'fundamentally' wrong about the players / team is kinda strange, all in all.
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On April 09 2015 01:50 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 23:00 Kometijanac wrote:
Well people say that they are unstable cause they deffinitely are unstable, i feel like that is a valid complaint. What bothers me the most is that they alwasy take good players from other teams to make the best CIS line-up while having Dendi and Xboct in every single line-up, like Dendi and Xboct are the best CIS players on their position.
I'm not saying they are bad players, but it seems like there is something fundamentaly wrong about that team (I'm not saying that Dendi or Xboct are problem) and people hate when problems are kept in secret so they complain about everything The guys won an International, finished second in 2 more and a mid-table finish in another one, all the while winning shittons of other tournaments and having serious internal issues for at least a year if not more. Obviously the now-departed Puppey was an important part of these results, but it's not like he was always perfect or it was always all him carrying the rest of the team. They are obviously capable of playing at the absolute top level, whether they will find another captain that's as capable as Puppey and fits their playstyles / whatever else it is, is obviously a big question and saying that there is something 'fundamentally' wrong about the players / team is kinda strange, all in all.
Saying that being in the finals of first three TIs means something today is ridiculous, cause Dota is evolving game, and Dota today is nothing like Dota three years ago, in terms of balance and playstyle. I'm not blaming Dendi or Xboct only, and I'm not saying they are only problem, I think problem is something more than players only, but i can't speculate cause i don't know facts and what is behind the closed doors.
Todays Na'vi is a joke, the way they make roster changes nowadays is sad for someone who started to follow Dota cause of that same old Na'vi you were talking about. If you think that this Na'vis roster has same drive to win TI like old Na'vi, i have nothing more to say
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On April 09 2015 03:18 Kometijanac wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 01:50 Salazarz wrote:On April 08 2015 23:00 Kometijanac wrote:
Well people say that they are unstable cause they deffinitely are unstable, i feel like that is a valid complaint. What bothers me the most is that they alwasy take good players from other teams to make the best CIS line-up while having Dendi and Xboct in every single line-up, like Dendi and Xboct are the best CIS players on their position.
I'm not saying they are bad players, but it seems like there is something fundamentaly wrong about that team (I'm not saying that Dendi or Xboct are problem) and people hate when problems are kept in secret so they complain about everything The guys won an International, finished second in 2 more and a mid-table finish in another one, all the while winning shittons of other tournaments and having serious internal issues for at least a year if not more. Obviously the now-departed Puppey was an important part of these results, but it's not like he was always perfect or it was always all him carrying the rest of the team. They are obviously capable of playing at the absolute top level, whether they will find another captain that's as capable as Puppey and fits their playstyles / whatever else it is, is obviously a big question and saying that there is something 'fundamentally' wrong about the players / team is kinda strange, all in all. Saying that being in the finals of first three TIs means something today is ridiculous, cause Dota is evolving game, and Dota today is nothing like Dota three years ago, in terms of balance and playstyle. I'm not blaming Dendi or Xboct only, and I'm not saying they are only problem, I think problem is something more than players only, but i can't speculate cause i don't know facts and what is behind the closed doors. Todays Na'vi is a joke, the way they make roster changes nowadays is sad for someone who started to follow Dota cause of that same old Na'vi you were talking about. If you think that this Na'vis roster has same drive to win TI like old Na'vi, i have nothing more to say
That would not be a problem IF Dota (or esports in a general) would follow the typical rules of fans, where the organization its far more important than the players, where the meaning of Navi is embed on NaVi and not Dendi, Puppey, Kuro, Funn1k or whatever, all those changes are completely normal in most sports, in fact, sports that are far more popuplar than Dota do it all the time, yet its not a problem because fans are loyal to the organization and not the players, they look whats best for the organization and if changes are to be made, they have to be done.
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On April 10 2015 00:44 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 03:18 Kometijanac wrote:On April 09 2015 01:50 Salazarz wrote:On April 08 2015 23:00 Kometijanac wrote:
Well people say that they are unstable cause they deffinitely are unstable, i feel like that is a valid complaint. What bothers me the most is that they alwasy take good players from other teams to make the best CIS line-up while having Dendi and Xboct in every single line-up, like Dendi and Xboct are the best CIS players on their position.
I'm not saying they are bad players, but it seems like there is something fundamentaly wrong about that team (I'm not saying that Dendi or Xboct are problem) and people hate when problems are kept in secret so they complain about everything The guys won an International, finished second in 2 more and a mid-table finish in another one, all the while winning shittons of other tournaments and having serious internal issues for at least a year if not more. Obviously the now-departed Puppey was an important part of these results, but it's not like he was always perfect or it was always all him carrying the rest of the team. They are obviously capable of playing at the absolute top level, whether they will find another captain that's as capable as Puppey and fits their playstyles / whatever else it is, is obviously a big question and saying that there is something 'fundamentally' wrong about the players / team is kinda strange, all in all. Saying that being in the finals of first three TIs means something today is ridiculous, cause Dota is evolving game, and Dota today is nothing like Dota three years ago, in terms of balance and playstyle. I'm not blaming Dendi or Xboct only, and I'm not saying they are only problem, I think problem is something more than players only, but i can't speculate cause i don't know facts and what is behind the closed doors. Todays Na'vi is a joke, the way they make roster changes nowadays is sad for someone who started to follow Dota cause of that same old Na'vi you were talking about. If you think that this Na'vis roster has same drive to win TI like old Na'vi, i have nothing more to say That would not be a problem IF Dota (or esports in a general) would follow the typical rules of fans, where the organization its far more important than the players, where the meaning of Navi is embed on NaVi and not Dendi, Puppey, Kuro, Funn1k or whatever, all those changes are completely normal in most sports, in fact, sports that are far more popuplar than Dota do it all the time, yet its not a problem because fans are loyal to the organization and not the players, they look whats best for the organization and if changes are to be made, they have to be done.
I would say this is true because most sports teams have a homeground (like how Brazilians will support their national team or New Yorkers will support the Knicks). As a foreigner, when I follow the NBA, or football, I follow the players. When Doc Rivers jumped ship from Boston, I followed. If Beckham jumped to LA, I followed.
I understand however that brands/organizations matter more in real sports also because there are more members to each team and because the performance of one member does not instantly break the team.
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Is she standing on the dendibouquet?
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4. We will set up the webcam for the whole bootcamp before The Summit 3. It will be broadcasted on Twitch. No more "We didn't have an opportunity to practise" or other excuses!
5. Every day at bootcamp there will be one public game broadcasted on Twitch with in-game voice chat of the team. We'll see if the team won't lose to some random stack of players.
thats so awesome
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On April 13 2015 12:25 Faruko wrote:
4. We will set up the webcam for the whole bootcamp before The Summit 3. It will be broadcasted on Twitch. No more "We didn't have an opportunity to practise" or other excuses!
5. Every day at bootcamp there will be one public game broadcasted on Twitch with in-game voice chat of the team. We'll see if the team won't lose to some random stack of players.
thats so awesome
Yeah the first 3 were like what the heck... but this is pretty sick~
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Funnik looked like he had a pretty decent tournament in MLG? Hope he brings it back to navi too.
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