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Na'Vi letting go of Vanskor would be the last sign of the team's ultimate dysfunction anyone should need. You just can't keep chewing through talent and blaming the talent for things not working out.
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On February 05 2015 03:02 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 02:57 govie wrote:
my chinese cousin says rumour in china is that DAC is vanskor's last tournament for navi and you get to see navi.demon after dac. lol Why would it be, Vanskor is playing like a beast... Like, that would make no sense at all. Especially since Demon doesn't speak Russian which makes even less sense now that Kuro is off the team.
You do not need a reason its Na'Vi they do wha they do best destroy some more talent <.< while achieving medicore results and blaming it on the new kids.
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My favorite thread
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Russian Federation3333 Posts
On February 04 2015 20:55 Gevna wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2015 19:42 goody153 wrote:On February 04 2015 19:25 Faruko wrote:On February 04 2015 11:18 goody153 wrote:On February 04 2015 05:25 Faruko wrote:On February 04 2015 01:07 goody153 wrote:On February 04 2015 00:39 Bisu-Fan wrote:On February 03 2015 20:39 Racket wrote:
I had a dream last night, it was happy and sad at the same time. I dreamed of Ppy and Kky coming back and going ham as five once again.
Does anyone feel like if they were to play together tomorrow, with this meta, they could go back to TI3 performances?
What a sad morning... Yes they definitely could...  both teams are looking very good in this meta and there would be nothing that would make me happier than cheering for a navi with ti3 roster Of course it would come down to attitude and team attitude but assuming those don't exist... Imagine if navi kicked hboct and kept puppey, kuro, dendi maybe funn1k.. now they'd just have rtz and maybe zai and dendi instead of s4. Which would you prefer : dendi/funn1k or s4/zai or dendi/zai or s4/funn1k with kuro,puppey,rtz s4/zai easily When it comes to western cores there is almost no good reason to trade s4 over anybody except maybe arteezy(which is even somewhat questionable). Removing language barrier aside it's even hard to think of trading s4 over the current chinese mid even. Zai over dendi cause dendi can't offlane. Funnik isn't performing great atm his team is carrying him right now. Have you ever seen dendi offlane ? Zai originally played offlane .. You don't randomly know how to offline just because u think a player is talented .. You guys should already know how many western players tried to play offlane but ended up mediocre . Also dendi is much more similar to a ricing mid (well not rtz level who farms crap ton all the time) rather than a poor mid player who roams more like as supp than farms more So you are assuming that X player cant play Y position because... reasons ? you dont know, i dont know not even his mother know how would Dendi play if he goes offlane theres something called "benefit of the doubt", untill he doesnt do it (on a regular basis, because if we go for the 1 game example than even Fly its one of the best offlaners in the world, and we all know how that turned out) you cant be sure about it well if just purely theorycrafting or if it's a benefit of a doubt then sure. but based on the current situation i would favor zai cause same can be said that i'd rather have 5 burning on every position in a team. Also just an assumption dendi may play be on a playmaking role but he farms alot more than he fights as a mid player. From what i've seen he is the type of player that excels with farm, not the type who can make do of whatever farm he's got. So i don't think he will do well when he switches to offlane. Similar to singsing or qojqva. Well that's true if you're new to Dota and never watched any navi game before TI4.
^^ I agree... During TI4 where comebacks were nigh impossible and facestomp rushes were the norm, it the mid needed to farm as much as possible and quickly contribute to the inevitable 5man pushes. In this case, supports who could do great with little (shadow shaman comes to mind) and teamfight supports were all the rage. Dendi didn't do well in TI4 because he hated farming mids like razor and dp and he'd rather play playmaking heroes.
But before TI4's meta was set, Dendi did marvelous things with very little as he was most comfortable on these types of heroes.
Now I think Dendi's caught up slightly with familiarity with the farming mids but they're no longer in as much and the mid role has become more flexible~ (thank God)
On February 05 2015 01:31 drusalnik wrote:
Just lol at the last few comments and the compersation of players.
Zai/RTZ are on a higher level at the moment and far better then the pairs you want to compare them ..
I don't think anyone's questioning RTZ, the original question was if you had any combination of zai,s4,dendi,funn1k who would you pick (with the other 3 positions being puppey, kuro, and RTZ)
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On February 05 2015 04:16 Bisu-Fan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2015 20:55 Gevna wrote:On February 04 2015 19:42 goody153 wrote:On February 04 2015 19:25 Faruko wrote:On February 04 2015 11:18 goody153 wrote:On February 04 2015 05:25 Faruko wrote:On February 04 2015 01:07 goody153 wrote:On February 04 2015 00:39 Bisu-Fan wrote:On February 03 2015 20:39 Racket wrote:
I had a dream last night, it was happy and sad at the same time. I dreamed of Ppy and Kky coming back and going ham as five once again.
Does anyone feel like if they were to play together tomorrow, with this meta, they could go back to TI3 performances?
What a sad morning... Yes they definitely could... both teams are looking very good in this meta and there would be nothing that would make me happier than cheering for a navi with ti3 roster Of course it would come down to attitude and team attitude but assuming those don't exist... Imagine if navi kicked hboct and kept puppey, kuro, dendi maybe funn1k.. now they'd just have rtz and maybe zai and dendi instead of s4. Which would you prefer : dendi/funn1k or s4/zai or dendi/zai or s4/funn1k with kuro,puppey,rtz s4/zai easily When it comes to western cores there is almost no good reason to trade s4 over anybody except maybe arteezy(which is even somewhat questionable). Removing language barrier aside it's even hard to think of trading s4 over the current chinese mid even. Zai over dendi cause dendi can't offlane. Funnik isn't performing great atm his team is carrying him right now. Have you ever seen dendi offlane ? Zai originally played offlane .. You don't randomly know how to offline just because u think a player is talented .. You guys should already know how many western players tried to play offlane but ended up mediocre . Also dendi is much more similar to a ricing mid (well not rtz level who farms crap ton all the time) rather than a poor mid player who roams more like as supp than farms more So you are assuming that X player cant play Y position because... reasons ? you dont know, i dont know not even his mother know how would Dendi play if he goes offlane theres something called "benefit of the doubt", untill he doesnt do it (on a regular basis, because if we go for the 1 game example than even Fly its one of the best offlaners in the world, and we all know how that turned out) you cant be sure about it well if just purely theorycrafting or if it's a benefit of a doubt then sure. but based on the current situation i would favor zai cause same can be said that i'd rather have 5 burning on every position in a team. Also just an assumption dendi may play be on a playmaking role but he farms alot more than he fights as a mid player. From what i've seen he is the type of player that excels with farm, not the type who can make do of whatever farm he's got. So i don't think he will do well when he switches to offlane. Similar to singsing or qojqva. Well that's true if you're new to Dota and never watched any navi game before TI4. ^^ I agree... During TI4 where comebacks were nigh impossible and facestomp rushes were the norm, it the mid needed to farm as much as possible and quickly contribute to the inevitable 5man pushes. In this case, supports who could do great with little (shadow shaman comes to mind) and teamfight supports were all the rage. Dendi didn't do well in TI4 because he hated farming mids like razor and dp and he'd rather play playmaking heroes. But before TI4's meta was set, Dendi did marvelous things with very little as he was most comfortable on these types of heroes. Now I think Dendi's caught up slightly with familiarity with the farming mids but they're no longer in as much and the mid role has become more flexible~ (thank God) Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 01:31 drusalnik wrote:
Just lol at the last few comments and the compersation of players.
Zai/RTZ are on a higher level at the moment and far better then the pairs you want to compare them .. I don't think anyone's questioning RTZ, the original question was if you had any combination of zai,s4,dendi,funn1k who would you pick (with the other 3 positions being puppey, kuro, and RTZ)
What, are you saying Rubick wasn't a farm-heavy mid?
Also I would take Dendi/S4. There's no way between the two of them you couldn't produce a world-class offlaner and they are both world-class mids who can play world-class carries. Zai is a fucking beast but c'mon.
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On February 05 2015 04:22 FHDH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 04:16 Bisu-Fan wrote:On February 04 2015 20:55 Gevna wrote:On February 04 2015 19:42 goody153 wrote:On February 04 2015 19:25 Faruko wrote:On February 04 2015 11:18 goody153 wrote:On February 04 2015 05:25 Faruko wrote:On February 04 2015 01:07 goody153 wrote:On February 04 2015 00:39 Bisu-Fan wrote:On February 03 2015 20:39 Racket wrote:
I had a dream last night, it was happy and sad at the same time. I dreamed of Ppy and Kky coming back and going ham as five once again.
Does anyone feel like if they were to play together tomorrow, with this meta, they could go back to TI3 performances?
What a sad morning... Yes they definitely could... both teams are looking very good in this meta and there would be nothing that would make me happier than cheering for a navi with ti3 roster Of course it would come down to attitude and team attitude but assuming those don't exist... Imagine if navi kicked hboct and kept puppey, kuro, dendi maybe funn1k.. now they'd just have rtz and maybe zai and dendi instead of s4. Which would you prefer : dendi/funn1k or s4/zai or dendi/zai or s4/funn1k with kuro,puppey,rtz s4/zai easily When it comes to western cores there is almost no good reason to trade s4 over anybody except maybe arteezy(which is even somewhat questionable). Removing language barrier aside it's even hard to think of trading s4 over the current chinese mid even. Zai over dendi cause dendi can't offlane. Funnik isn't performing great atm his team is carrying him right now. Have you ever seen dendi offlane ? Zai originally played offlane .. You don't randomly know how to offline just because u think a player is talented .. You guys should already know how many western players tried to play offlane but ended up mediocre . Also dendi is much more similar to a ricing mid (well not rtz level who farms crap ton all the time) rather than a poor mid player who roams more like as supp than farms more So you are assuming that X player cant play Y position because... reasons ? you dont know, i dont know not even his mother know how would Dendi play if he goes offlane theres something called "benefit of the doubt", untill he doesnt do it (on a regular basis, because if we go for the 1 game example than even Fly its one of the best offlaners in the world, and we all know how that turned out) you cant be sure about it well if just purely theorycrafting or if it's a benefit of a doubt then sure. but based on the current situation i would favor zai cause same can be said that i'd rather have 5 burning on every position in a team. Also just an assumption dendi may play be on a playmaking role but he farms alot more than he fights as a mid player. From what i've seen he is the type of player that excels with farm, not the type who can make do of whatever farm he's got. So i don't think he will do well when he switches to offlane. Similar to singsing or qojqva. Well that's true if you're new to Dota and never watched any navi game before TI4. ^^ I agree... During TI4 where comebacks were nigh impossible and facestomp rushes were the norm, it the mid needed to farm as much as possible and quickly contribute to the inevitable 5man pushes. In this case, supports who could do great with little (shadow shaman comes to mind) and teamfight supports were all the rage. Dendi didn't do well in TI4 because he hated farming mids like razor and dp and he'd rather play playmaking heroes. But before TI4's meta was set, Dendi did marvelous things with very little as he was most comfortable on these types of heroes. Now I think Dendi's caught up slightly with familiarity with the farming mids but they're no longer in as much and the mid role has become more flexible~ (thank God) On February 05 2015 01:31 drusalnik wrote:
Just lol at the last few comments and the compersation of players.
Zai/RTZ are on a higher level at the moment and far better then the pairs you want to compare them .. I don't think anyone's questioning RTZ, the original question was if you had any combination of zai,s4,dendi,funn1k who would you pick (with the other 3 positions being puppey, kuro, and RTZ) What, are you saying Rubick wasn't a farm-heavy mid? Also I would take Dendi/S4. There's no way between the two of them you couldn't produce a world-class offlaner and they are both world-class mids who can play world-class carries. Zai is a fucking beast but c'mon.
Well if zai continues the way he is now he will only get better.
Quite frankly i do not see Dendi getting as good as zai on the offlane just because Dendi is 2 stubborn to evolve or at least it takes him twice the time to do so.
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On February 05 2015 08:59 drusalnik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 04:22 FHDH wrote:On February 05 2015 04:16 Bisu-Fan wrote:On February 04 2015 20:55 Gevna wrote:On February 04 2015 19:42 goody153 wrote:On February 04 2015 19:25 Faruko wrote:On February 04 2015 11:18 goody153 wrote:On February 04 2015 05:25 Faruko wrote:On February 04 2015 01:07 goody153 wrote:On February 04 2015 00:39 Bisu-Fan wrote:[quote] Yes they definitely could... both teams are looking very good in this meta and there would be nothing that would make me happier than cheering for a navi with ti3 roster Of course it would come down to attitude and team attitude but assuming those don't exist... Imagine if navi kicked hboct and kept puppey, kuro, dendi maybe funn1k.. now they'd just have rtz and maybe zai and dendi instead of s4. Which would you prefer : dendi/funn1k or s4/zai or dendi/zai or s4/funn1k with kuro,puppey,rtz s4/zai easily When it comes to western cores there is almost no good reason to trade s4 over anybody except maybe arteezy(which is even somewhat questionable). Removing language barrier aside it's even hard to think of trading s4 over the current chinese mid even. Zai over dendi cause dendi can't offlane. Funnik isn't performing great atm his team is carrying him right now. Have you ever seen dendi offlane ? Zai originally played offlane .. You don't randomly know how to offline just because u think a player is talented .. You guys should already know how many western players tried to play offlane but ended up mediocre . Also dendi is much more similar to a ricing mid (well not rtz level who farms crap ton all the time) rather than a poor mid player who roams more like as supp than farms more So you are assuming that X player cant play Y position because... reasons ? you dont know, i dont know not even his mother know how would Dendi play if he goes offlane theres something called "benefit of the doubt", untill he doesnt do it (on a regular basis, because if we go for the 1 game example than even Fly its one of the best offlaners in the world, and we all know how that turned out) you cant be sure about it well if just purely theorycrafting or if it's a benefit of a doubt then sure. but based on the current situation i would favor zai cause same can be said that i'd rather have 5 burning on every position in a team. Also just an assumption dendi may play be on a playmaking role but he farms alot more than he fights as a mid player. From what i've seen he is the type of player that excels with farm, not the type who can make do of whatever farm he's got. So i don't think he will do well when he switches to offlane. Similar to singsing or qojqva. Well that's true if you're new to Dota and never watched any navi game before TI4. ^^ I agree... During TI4 where comebacks were nigh impossible and facestomp rushes were the norm, it the mid needed to farm as much as possible and quickly contribute to the inevitable 5man pushes. In this case, supports who could do great with little (shadow shaman comes to mind) and teamfight supports were all the rage. Dendi didn't do well in TI4 because he hated farming mids like razor and dp and he'd rather play playmaking heroes. But before TI4's meta was set, Dendi did marvelous things with very little as he was most comfortable on these types of heroes. Now I think Dendi's caught up slightly with familiarity with the farming mids but they're no longer in as much and the mid role has become more flexible~ (thank God) On February 05 2015 01:31 drusalnik wrote:
Just lol at the last few comments and the compersation of players.
Zai/RTZ are on a higher level at the moment and far better then the pairs you want to compare them .. I don't think anyone's questioning RTZ, the original question was if you had any combination of zai,s4,dendi,funn1k who would you pick (with the other 3 positions being puppey, kuro, and RTZ) What, are you saying Rubick wasn't a farm-heavy mid? Also I would take Dendi/S4. There's no way between the two of them you couldn't produce a world-class offlaner and they are both world-class mids who can play world-class carries. Zai is a fucking beast but c'mon. Well if zai continues the way he is now he will only get better. Quite frankly i do not see Dendi getting as good as zai on the offlane just because Dendi is 2 stubborn to evolve or at least it takes him twice the time to do so.
Your basis for this being...?
Is every evaluation of Dendi as a player snapshotting the months surrounding TI4? What even is this.
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Fun facts: All of Navi's wins have had XBOCT on Jugg, Troll or Centaur (13 wins). Losses with him on Gyro, Luna, Medusa, Bristleback, Storm, Troll, and Jugg (1 each).
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On February 05 2015 13:59 Tephus wrote:
Fun facts: All of Navi's wins have had XBOCT on Jugg, Troll or Centaur (13 wins). Losses with him on Gyro, Luna, Medusa, Bristleback, Storm, Troll, and Jugg (1 each).
The gyro game vs ViCi was weird. It was really unexpected. I think they wanted to have a carry that can kill everyone quickly to counter Medusa. Didn't work
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Russian Federation3333 Posts
On February 05 2015 14:26 EnumaAvalon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 13:59 Tephus wrote:
Fun facts: All of Navi's wins have had XBOCT on Jugg, Troll or Centaur (13 wins). Losses with him on Gyro, Luna, Medusa, Bristleback, Storm, Troll, and Jugg (1 each). The gyro game vs ViCi was weird. It was really unexpected. I think they wanted to have a carry that can kill everyone quickly to counter Medusa. Didn't work
as kuroky taught us, the best counter to Medusa is AM :D :'(
That's interesting~ but storm isn't his hero, luna isn't that good anymore and neither is gyro...
only hero from that pool is probably medusa, but that was day 1 where Dendi said they played like they were drunk and hallucinating :D
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I still wait for NaVi management to realize that they waste the team potential and talent by keeping XBOCT.
Ok, Puppey and Kuro left, what did they do? Assemble a tier1 team in no time.
What did NaVi do? Bring 2 amazing players Goblak and Vanskor and they still play like an average CIS team.
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On February 05 2015 22:48 synd wrote:
I still wait for NaVi management to realize that they waste the team potential and talent by keeping XBOCT.
Ok, Puppey and Kuro left, what did they do? Assemble a tier1 team in no time.
What did NaVi do? Bring 2 amazing players Goblak and Vanskor and they still play like an average CIS team.
Yeah man, DAC especially is a shining example of how utterly terrible XBOCT is. Like, he totally isn't the best player on Na'Vi nor one of the best players in the tournament overall or anything. Trash tier player who has not done anything nor ever will since TI2, right?
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I'd like to remind that almost nobody expected Navi one week ago to actually get through the wildcard match or reach the main event. They reached the winner bracket with really good performances. They just lost 2-1 against a team of the top 4. So before this thread is, again, overwhelmed by hate, I'm asking you to really remember how you felt about Navi one week ago, and how watching them losing 2-1 to eg in the winner bracket, is actually a big breath of fresh air.
I'm not saying this is a run we can be satisfied with, their shape is far from the Navi we loved, yet this is way more than what we could have been expecting and a big step in the right direction.
Now there is still the loser bracket, but the BO1 format is scaring the hell out of me.
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Doesnt matter salazarz, Navi is too mediocre atm:
- Funniks kda is too low in DAC;
- Xboct heropool which wins games is too low and too predictable in DAC;
- Goblak doesnt seem to generate statistics in DAC, take that as you like;
Only positive stuff seems to be:
- They qualified for the winners bracket, but thats basically it;
- Dendi doing ok in DAC;
- Vanskor performing not as bad in DAC as most of us think.
Well see, but i would encourage a change in atleast 1 corespot somewhere, yes.
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On February 06 2015 00:02 Gevna wrote:
I'd like to remind that almost nobody expected Navi one week ago to actually get through the wildcard match or reach the main event. They reached the winner bracket with really good performances. They just lost 2-1 against a team of the top 4. So before this thread is, again, overwhelmed by hate, I'm asking you to really remember how you felt about Navi one week ago, and how watching them losing 2-1 to eg in the winner bracket, is actually a big breath of fresh air.
I'm not saying this is a run we can be satisfied with, their shape is far from the Navi we loved, yet this is way more than what we could have been expecting and a big step in the right direction.
Now there is still the loser bracket, but the BO1 format is scaring the hell out of me.
I still dont think they deserve a TI invite. But wich EU team deserves? Before DAC, c9 and secret. Now even c9 dont deserve a invite...
If they win 2 games in the lower bracket they will secure their TI5 invite IMO
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On February 06 2015 00:02 Gevna wrote:
I'd like to remind that almost nobody expected Navi one week ago to actually get through the wildcard match or reach the main event. They reached the winner bracket with really good performances. They just lost 2-1 against a team of the top 4. So before this thread is, again, overwhelmed by hate, I'm asking you to really remember how you felt about Navi one week ago, and how watching them losing 2-1 to eg in the winner bracket, is actually a big breath of fresh air.
I'm not saying this is a run we can be satisfied with, their shape is far from the Navi we loved, yet this is way more than what we could have been expecting and a big step in the right direction.
Now there is still the loser bracket, but the BO1 format is scaring the hell out of me.
I have always felt happy about them, even in their darkest hour, but at that moment I just accepted they were just performing bad and I only hoped for the best, not expecting it to actually happen.
They got a lot better, starting from Xboct and then Vanskor (speaking of amount of improvement made).
On the other hand Funn1k's performance dropped incredibly.
Dendi seems to be strongly tied to the team's overall performance, I still believe in him and I also realize how bad is he being focused by the opponents in early and mid game, so it is not easy for him to get ahead in a hard / equal match up when Goblak and Vanskor are either helping safe and offlane or farming the jungle.
There is nothing I can say about Goblak. Or rather I can't express anything good so far about his play. His draft goes from brilliant to selfoutdraft in just one game.
If I were a part of the team I would start focusing early and mid ganks on Dendi to at least ensure two strong heroes for mid game instead of having a not always strong Funn1k and the always heavy farmed Xboct. But oh well, I suck at Dota so I am surely wrong.
Also, I feel NaVi found in this last period of time something to work with but they are not sure on how to make it solid enough. In the whole EG series we didn't see Clinkz banned nor picked and that is for me quite stupid given how good Funn1k had performed lately. Seems like Goblak is rotating drafts instead of capitalizing individual performances.
Edit: Did Funn1k play Batrider this DAC?
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On February 06 2015 00:06 govie wrote:
Doesnt matter salazarz, Navi is too mediocre atm:
- Funniks kda is too low in DAC;
- Xboct heropool which wins games is too low and too predictable in DAC;
- Goblak doesnt seem to generate statistics in DAC, take that as you like;
Only positive stuff seems to be:
- They qualified for the winners bracket, but thats basically it;
- Dendi doing ok in DAC;
- Vanskor performing not as bad in DAC as most of us think.
Well see, but i would encourage a change in atleast 1 corespot somewhere, yes.
ROFL
Are you for real
So pretty much neither of the players is doing well, yet they end up going 9-6 and being the only team that put up a fight in their bracket ? poor IG, c9 and HR, i guess they must disband
Its really that hard for this community to give credits where its due ? You are either Ti champion or you suck and dont deserve anything
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On February 06 2015 00:58 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 00:06 govie wrote:
Doesnt matter salazarz, Navi is too mediocre atm:
- Funniks kda is too low in DAC;
- Xboct heropool which wins games is too low and too predictable in DAC;
- Goblak doesnt seem to generate statistics in DAC, take that as you like;
Only positive stuff seems to be:
- They qualified for the winners bracket, but thats basically it;
- Dendi doing ok in DAC;
- Vanskor performing not as bad in DAC as most of us think.
Well see, but i would encourage a change in atleast 1 corespot somewhere, yes. ROFL Are you for real So pretty much neither of the players is doing well, yet they end up going 9-6 and being the only team that put up a fight in their bracket ? poor IG, c9 and HR, i guess they must disband Its really that hard for this community to give credits where its due ? You are either Ti champion or you suck and dont deserve anything
What credit?
Mediocrity of a team that is known for its championship name..
Please.
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On February 06 2015 00:58 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 00:06 govie wrote:
Doesnt matter salazarz, Navi is too mediocre atm:
- Funniks kda is too low in DAC;
- Xboct heropool which wins games is too low and too predictable in DAC;
- Goblak doesnt seem to generate statistics in DAC, take that as you like;
Only positive stuff seems to be:
- They qualified for the winners bracket, but thats basically it;
- Dendi doing ok in DAC;
- Vanskor performing not as bad in DAC as most of us think.
Well see, but i would encourage a change in atleast 1 corespot somewhere, yes. ROFL Are you for real So pretty much neither of the players is doing well, yet they end up going 9-6 and being the only team that put up a fight in their bracket ? poor IG, c9 and HR, i guess they must disband Its really that hard for this community to give credits where its due ? You are either Ti champion or you suck and dont deserve anything
The difference being they just shuffled, are waiting for a shuffle or they performed above expectations. Navi on the otherhand allways was toptier. I dont mind mediocrity, but i bet most navi fans wont, they at a minimum want to support a contender for any title.
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I think there are 2 important things to consider about Goblak :
1) He is finally respected as a captain by his mates. I mean, FNG wasn't able to do so (for good or bad reasons, may the Navi core players too stuborn or entitled) so far he has done better in this aspect. And this is big, since Puppey left, they needed this kind of strong leadership really hard, and Goblak succeeded in the end.
2) From what I've noticed and heard, Goblak is a great captain and drafter if his team is able to play a strict gameplan. And to achieve that you need to train hard, so if what Dendi said about them practicing only for 4 days is true, Goblak is fairly limited in what he can do.
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