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drusalnik
Bulgaria133 Posts
On January 18 2015 20:20 EnumaAvalon wrote: Qualifiers maybe but no direct invite. The first championship organization to not be invited directly? I hope not :'( I dont know man even quals will be rough for the current state they are. I do not see them going trough , then again teams for quals are still uknown so theres still slim chance they might make it. | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
Qojqva+AB+dendi+vanskor+goblak sounds scary, really scary if you ask me. Like, qojqva's heropool is so freaking deep, if you select lone druid you still have 2 players that can execute that hero too perfection. Seems really hard to draft against overlapping heropools, which could give goblak a nice advantage. | ||
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goody153
44245 Posts
On January 18 2015 23:22 govie wrote: I think qojqva would fit perfectly in navi and could well be their saviour! Best core on ti xpm and gpm wise and very marketable. Adm. bulldog is still one of the best offlaners for sure, also a nice option if you want to replace funnik (and ou get sheever for free to cast starladder or something similar). Qojqva+AB+dendi+vanskor+goblak sounds scary, really scary if you ask me. Like, qojqva's heropool is so freaking deep, if you select lone druid you still have 2 players that can execute that hero too perfection. Seems really hard to draft against overlapping heropools, which could give goblak a nice advantage. There may be a problem. Isn't na'vi in team language not english ? somehow i think they talk in russian ingame(or maybe ukranian but idk the difference) | ||
TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On January 18 2015 23:22 govie wrote: I think qojqva would fit perfectly in navi and could well be their saviour! Best core on ti xpm and gpm wise and very marketable. Adm. bulldog is still one of the best offlaners for sure, also a nice option if you want to replace funnik (and ou get sheever for free to cast starladder or something similar). Qojqva+AB+dendi+vanskor+goblak sounds scary, really scary if you ask me. Like, qojqva's heropool is so freaking deep, if you select lone druid you still have 2 players that can execute that hero too perfection. Seems really hard to draft against overlapping heropools, which could give goblak a nice advantage. Wat kind of team is Qojqva + Dendi + AB + vanskor + goblak??? | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
 Qojqva will carry dendi almost every game, dendi will be so happy.kky is german. | ||
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weiliem
2071 Posts
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On January 19 2015 01:38 weiliem wrote: I don't think there r many strong teams at the moment above navi for them to not get an invitation. And as an event organizer, it'll be stupid not to invite one of the most popular team in the world, not even TI. Disagree. Even if CIS got its own regional invites Na'Vi wouldn't make the top 3. Valve can't set a precedent that even if you didn't do well at last TI and you did basically nothing since you can still go if it looks like you will sell tickets. Regarding the situation overall, I think Dendi is too much of a competitor to tolerate this situation for long. He is loyal to his friends but I think there is a limit to that. Unfortunately as good a player as he is I don't know if decisions based on his judgments are going to be the best. Why I think him leaving the team and going free agent would be the best thing for him, and maybe for the team as well. It becomes true rebuild time then. | ||
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Gevna
France2332 Posts
On January 18 2015 23:22 govie wrote: I think qojqva would fit perfectly in navi and could well be their saviour! Best core on ti xpm and gpm wise and very marketable. Adm. bulldog is still one of the best offlaners for sure, also a nice option if you want to replace funnik (and ou get sheever for free to cast starladder or something similar). Qojqva+AB+dendi+vanskor+goblak sounds scary, really scary if you ask me. Like, qojqva's heropool is so freaking deep, if you select lone druid you still have 2 players that can execute that hero too perfection. Seems really hard to draft against overlapping heropools, which could give goblak a nice advantage. You can't be serious, this line up sounds horrible. | ||
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zdfgucker
China594 Posts
On January 19 2015 01:38 weiliem wrote: I don't think there r many strong teams at the moment above navi for them to not get an invitation. And as an event organizer, it'll be stupid not to invite one of the most popular team in the world, not even TI. Is Navi really strong? Is it really still that popular? C9, TS and EG won a ton of fans throughout the last year by making good plays. Considering there may be ~4 invites for the west and EG, C9, TS probably taking up the majority already.. Navi competes with Empire, VP, VPP, TT. Yeah I definitely can see Navi not getting invited and then losing in the qualifiers. At the very least the team has a lot of time to catch up, post TI. | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
On January 19 2015 01:53 Gevna wrote: You can't be serious, this line up sounds horrible. I cant help it that qojqva had the best gpm and xpm on ti now can i, and he is available and EU (like kky was).... 1+1=2! | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On January 19 2015 02:00 zdfgucker wrote: Is Navi really strong? Is it really still that popular? C9, TS and EG won a ton of fans throughout the last year by making good plays. Considering there may be ~4 invites for the west and EG, C9, TS probably taking up the majority already.. Navi competes with Empire, VP, VPP, TT. Yeah I definitely can see Navi not getting invited and then losing in the qualifiers. At the very least the team has a lot of time to catch up, post TI. Na'Vi still brings in a ton of viewers (because of Dendi). It's not like TI5 viewership wouldn't suffer because Dendi is not there. But it's not enough to sacrifice the integrity of the event (which may itself hurt viewership). | ||
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Gevna
France2332 Posts
On January 19 2015 02:02 govie wrote: I cant help it that qojqva had the best gpm and xpm on ti now can i, and he is available and EU (like kky was).... 1+1=2! But, this is not how you build a team ? This is not even how you judge a player. You're mixing players with completely different playstyles, who are definitely not on the same page about how to play dota. You take one of the worst support duo in Europe, a drafter who has not been drafting well lately, 3 core player I don't see how they could build any synergie between them. And I'm not even considering the possible issues with language / personnality etc... Well I guess that's 5 popular star players, but that's about it. | ||
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OzVelas
Bulgaria516 Posts
On January 19 2015 02:02 govie wrote: I cant help it that qojqva had the best gpm and xpm on ti now can i, and he is available and EU (like kky was).... 1+1=2! goblak is the worst player in the pro scene even ixmike is a better player  . Any line up with goblak sounds awful. | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
On January 19 2015 02:02 govie wrote: I cant help it that qojqva had the best gpm and xpm on ti now can i, and he is available and EU (like kky was).... 1+1=2! Not sure where you're getting those stats, but w/e, that's irrelevant. rtz used to have higher GPM during MLG/Monster Energy era where all he would do is sit in a corner of the map somewhere, but he's a much better player now when he doesn't (always) do that. (yes, and metagame shifts and other stuff too) I think you can definitely build a team around qojqva, but he needs a strong captain (look at the disaster that is TT right now). The problem is Na'vi is a random CIS good-players stack right now and random CIS stacks (like old VP, like old Empire, like the Empire before that, like that short lived LOH stack) never work out without a strong captain. If Na'vi even wants an invite to TI 5 at this point they need to make very very sure whichever stars they can't get rid of (probably (4) and Dendi) gel extremely well with whoever wants to captain the sinking ship and then only add 2 more players after that, not throw money at players and hope for the best. Look at the teams that have won TI/have been very successful, Na'vi (1) had ppy, iG (2) had Chuan and then tons of talent, Alliance (3) had Loda/Akke as clear leaders who worked very well with each other (and s4 stepped up later) and then chose to add new players rather than throw money the problem, and NB was xiao8 + 4 players who were already very familiar with each other. Building a dota team needs to start at the captain, then add the star players in, then think about whether you want to add more star players or bring in new blood that have potential, you don't start with a mid player and a carry player who are very good but not anything special anymore. | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
On January 19 2015 02:46 OzVelas wrote: goblak is the worst player in the pro scene even ixmike is a better player . Any line up with goblak sounds awful.Well, i liked fng alot but they traded him for goblak. Ditching goblak now would mean navi makes the same bad decision again, so i'd say give the guy a chance becomming a good supportduo & drafter, if he fails you can still trade him. On January 19 2015 02:49 Count9 wrote: Not sure where you're getting those stats, but w/e I heard casters say it was qoqjva that had the best gpm and xpm, liquipedia confirms that he atleast had the top gpm. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/The_International/2014/Statistics E: People tend to underestimate how good qojqva really is. The only one that comes close or a little better could be black, but i even doubt that. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On January 19 2015 03:15 govie wrote: Well, i liked fng alot but they traded him for goblak. Ditching goblak now would mean navi makes the same bad decision again, so i'd say give the guy a chance becomming a good supportduo & drafter, if he fails you can still trade him. I heard casters say it was qoqjva that had the best gpm and xpm, liquipedia confirms that he atleast had the top gpm. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/The_International/2014/Statistics It's not a bad decision if it was correct. Unfortunately all the deal with FNG was just bad management from the beginning. Goblak's drafts are bad and his play is worse. I am willing to put things in context when it is appropriate but there is no context I can see that forgives how bad this has been. | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On January 19 2015 03:26 govie wrote: Maybe, but you cant blame him for why navi sucks imo. He got dropped in a warzone of mediocrity, poor guy. No but I can blame him for what is in his hands. I didn't blame FNG for Na'Vi's underperformance when he was there because I felt like he held up his end of the deal. Goblak's drafting and play has been bad. That's on him. FNG's drafts not working felt more like Na'Vi just playing them badly, mostly. | ||
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Taosu
Ukraine1074 Posts
On January 18 2015 06:00 FHDH wrote: I thought that tweet was a play on the name like "Born to Lose" or something but I don't know enough Latin to know what "Her" could be the beginning of. It's not Latin but Russian. "Naher Vanskor" in this context can be roughly translated to something "Go f*ck yourself Vanskor". | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On January 19 2015 02:49 Count9 wrote: Not sure where you're getting those stats, but w/e, that's irrelevant. rtz used to have higher GPM during MLG/Monster Energy era where all he would do is sit in a corner of the map somewhere, but he's a much better player now when he doesn't (always) do that. (yes, and metagame shifts and other stuff too) I think you can definitely build a team around qojqva, but he needs a strong captain (look at the disaster that is TT right now). The problem is Na'vi is a random CIS good-players stack right now and random CIS stacks (like old VP, like old Empire, like the Empire before that, like that short lived LOH stack) never work out without a strong captain. If Na'vi even wants an invite to TI 5 at this point they need to make very very sure whichever stars they can't get rid of (probably (4) and Dendi) gel extremely well with whoever wants to captain the sinking ship and then only add 2 more players after that, not throw money at players and hope for the best. Look at the teams that have won TI/have been very successful, Na'vi (1) had ppy, iG (2) had Chuan and then tons of talent, Alliance (3) had Loda/Akke as clear leaders who worked very well with each other (and s4 stepped up later) and then chose to add new players rather than throw money the problem, and NB was xiao8 + 4 players who were already very familiar with each other. Building a dota team needs to start at the captain, then add the star players in, then think about whether you want to add more star players or bring in new blood that have potential, you don't start with a mid player and a carry player who are very good but not anything special anymore. Artstyle was the captain for TI1 Na'vi. Zhou/Faith were captains for iG, iirc | ||
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