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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 23:21:49
January 18 2015 23:21 GMT
#1141
The problem with qojqva is that he hasn't really progressed (and might have regressed) from his mouz and early TL days. He went through an awful year where his teams had players hating each other, having internal (and occasionally external) drama, going in and out, not really practicing, and so on.

Now, I don't think any of his teams' problems can be blamed on him personally. However, just having a year like that puts a damp on anyone's level of play, as well as the player's confidence in himself and his ability and decisions.

It's still possible for him to recover, but he's a really risky investment for any team that wants success immediately.
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
January 19 2015 00:06 GMT
#1142
Oh and the quote in my sig is from Dendi.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
deadmau
Profile Joined September 2010
960 Posts
January 19 2015 00:18 GMT
#1143
kick dendi!
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
January 19 2015 00:33 GMT
#1144
On January 19 2015 09:18 deadmau wrote:
kick dendi!

Best thing that could happen to him.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Pomza
Profile Joined October 2014
45 Posts
January 19 2015 00:47 GMT
#1145
On January 19 2015 09:33 FHDH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 09:18 deadmau wrote:
kick dendi!

Best thing that could happen to him.


#FreeDendi2015
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
January 19 2015 01:05 GMT
#1146
On January 19 2015 09:47 Pomza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 09:33 FHDH wrote:
On January 19 2015 09:18 deadmau wrote:
kick dendi!

Best thing that could happen to him.


#FreeDendi2015


Those bastards are holding him in captivity!
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BillGates
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
471 Posts
January 19 2015 02:05 GMT
#1147
They will get invited because what other teams have done much? I mean apart from Secret who actually had a big reshuffle, so only 3 of their players deserve to be in, but they got some other winning players from EG, so individually as players they all deserve to be invited, but the new team hasn't played a single game.

But lets say Secret gets invited from EU, VP.Polar is the second team that should get invited, and then you have all these other teams who have been inconsistent. So do you invite Empire, VP, TT, Na'Vi, HellRaisers, PR, do we even consider Alliance now?

There is not too many teams that you can say have been consistently good and Na'Vi as bad as they've been they still won their own tournament, they placed second in the Excelent Moscow Cup, they placed second in the Game show league, etc...

So there are not too much teams in contention this year, unlike last year, but its still early I guess there is another 2 months before its more certain.

I think from EU team Secret are almost guaranteed unless they suck ass in the next 2-3 months, VP.Polar are also almost guaranteed, after that I think Na'Vi will get invited just because of past success and because they've still had some success even though they've been sucking. After that its going to be between VP, Team Empire with other teams like Alliance, TT, HellRaisers, PR, etc... lagging behind.
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
January 19 2015 02:32 GMT
#1148
Europe is probably going to get 4 invites. Secret and C9 are almost certainly going to get 2, VPP is probably going to get the third. There's a close competition for the fourth slot imo, but I think unless Navi does well at DAC they're not going get that invite.
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FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 02:36:00
January 19 2015 02:35 GMT
#1149
On January 19 2015 11:32 Elyvilon wrote:
Europe is probably going to get 4 invites. Secret and C9 are almost certainly going to get 2, VPP is probably going to get the third. There's a close competition for the fourth slot imo, but I think unless Navi does well at DAC they're not going get that invite.

And it's really easy to rack up more accomplishments than Na'Vi has post-TI4, and more than a couple of EU teams are better positioned to rack up those wins than Na'Vi.

The chances of getting a direct invite based on current accomplishments are slim, and their prospects going forward are grim. Things need to radically changed or they're going to have to *try* to play in and it honestly does not look good there either.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
January 19 2015 03:02 GMT
#1150
i cant wait to see what team navi eats
High Risk Low Reward
Fwizzz
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines4420 Posts
January 19 2015 04:16 GMT
#1151
On January 19 2015 12:02 Spicy_Curry wrote:
i cant wait to see what team navi eats

Or spits.
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
January 19 2015 04:58 GMT
#1152
SunTzu made a good article on Na'Vi's dilemma. We're pretty sure they're shuffling but who will they replace? I kinda agree with the article that Na'Vi's decision may be to get away from Dendi or Funn1k to obtain a stable playstyle but both are just too marketable in the region to let go.

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FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
January 19 2015 05:46 GMT
#1153
Yeah I dunno what games that dude is watching, but "Dendi has been sketchy; XBOCT has been an anchor" pretty much loses all credibility.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Abductedonut
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States324 Posts
January 19 2015 06:20 GMT
#1154
On January 19 2015 14:46 FHDH wrote:
Yeah I dunno what games that dude is watching, but "Dendi has been sketchy; XBOCT has been an anchor" pretty much loses all credibility.


I dunno - XBOCT has been playing fine the past few tournament games. He's generally always on top of the net worth, his positioning has been a lot better than before and he has be adapting to the new meta pretty well. I really don't think XBOCT is the problem with Na'vi right now, I think he's the best player out of the rest.

I really think Goblak's drafting has not been the greatest and the supports just aren't up to snuff. One of the things I like (or liked) about secret is that bigdaddy and puppy made huge plays for the team with earthshaker, sand king, enigma, etc. The supports on secret really turn the tide around in the fights. And aside from that - puppy's drafts are great in that it's really hard to predict the lanes. Like in Game 1 of the summit 2 lan finals (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRMicZsUwJ0), puppy drafted wisp + pa mid lane, puck safe lane, enigma jungle and timbersaw offlane. A couple minutes into the game bigdaddy has a really awesome body block on ogre to secure the kill. And bigdaddy does stuff like that ALL THE TIME! I can't remember the last time Goblak drafted something that wasn't obvious. I can't remember the last time vanskor went that extra mile and made sure to do the little things that separate players from good to great.

I really think funnik, vanskor and goblak don't have chemistry with Dendi and XBOCT.
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
January 19 2015 06:45 GMT
#1155
the past few tournament games

I agree. Pretty sure you don't base personnel decisions on performance over such a short window though.

I mean it is ZG though so who fucking knows.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
V1ctor
Profile Joined March 2011
Moldova1645 Posts
January 19 2015 07:18 GMT
#1156
They need to train more heroes. Getting troll and magnus has secured them a spot in the wildcard for DAC. But other teams started to ban them and the result is that we are eliminated by MVP at SL11.
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
January 19 2015 07:32 GMT
#1157
On January 19 2015 16:18 V1ctor wrote:
They need to train more heroes. Getting troll and magnus has secured them a spot in the wildcard for DAC. But other teams started to ban them and the result is that we are eliminated by MVP at SL11.

They know more heroes. What they need is more strats. I am quite sure if Goblak had a plan worth following that required a mid Dendi isn't comfortable with or a carry XBOCT isn't comfortable with they'd practice it. But I don't think that's the problem right now.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Gevna
Profile Joined August 2010
France2332 Posts
January 19 2015 09:42 GMT
#1158
Goblak is mostly good at preparing good strat with a clear gameplan. But this doesn't make him a good drafter. Once the few strats they have are figured out, there is like nothing left he can do. Right now Navi is drafting : Magnus troll / a clear 4p1 medusa strat / a drow strat / and the wisp LC. It's so obvious how to play against them, and they got dismantled hard by well prepared team.
Well anyway not much to say, I agree that they need to practice more, hopefully they will bootcamp hard from now for DAC, and see where it leads them.
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
January 19 2015 10:20 GMT
#1159
Dunno what to make of NaVi right now. They seem strong on heroes and strats they are comfortable with, but as others mentioned, once Troll/Magnus/Dusa are removed they are practically a pub team. I can see how an argument can be made that they simply havent practiced much strats and/or heroes and perhaps this is somewhat true, but I think the reality is that they are simply lacking the confidence and trust in each other. I think that NaVi needs a shake up in its core. I will not single out anyone because to me it seems that each one of tem shines at particular moments but quickly fades away so I cant point a single player as the weekest link, however the only semi-consistent is Dendi, the other 4 are way too hit and miss The sooner it happens the better because the last train for a direct TI invite has already passed, but they could try to prepare for the qualifiers and for next year. So basically what I'm saying is that they should prepare for missing out on this TI and start thinking a bit more long term.
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 11:32:21
January 19 2015 11:25 GMT
#1160
On January 19 2015 18:42 Gevna wrote:
Goblak is mostly good at preparing good strat with a clear gameplan. But this doesn't make him a good drafter. Once the few strats they have are figured out, there is like nothing left he can do. Right now Navi is drafting : Magnus troll / a clear 4p1 medusa strat / a drow strat / and the wisp LC. It's so obvious how to play against them, and they got dismantled hard by well prepared team.
Well anyway not much to say, I agree that they need to practice more, hopefully they will bootcamp hard from now for DAC, and see where it leads them.


If they get qojqva and AB the heropool gets alot bigger or atleast diverse. Lone druid games! If they dont then atleast draft full aggro with a diverse pool of heros, when you know you will not win a greedcontest anyway just draft not patchrelated hero's like: warlock, undying, lonedruid, clockwerk, weaver, techies, kunkka, darkseer, bountyhunter, bane and beastmaster etcetc.

Just for fun, pick darkseer and go in a pubgame, you will be amazed how many forgot this hero and loose too it. In the proscene i think the same rules apply, suprisefactors can decide games.
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