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To defend Ditya Ra a little bit, he is pretty new to the top pro scene (he has been playing for a long time but always on low level teams) and he is very young (20-21 i think), also sonneiko is 19 and General 19 or 20.
So yeah, he can grow a lot, and lets be honest, TI is a completely different beast, theres a shit ton of pressure (double Major winners OG forgot how to play the game in their last 2 series), playing in front of such a big crowd, etc... is not easy to do.
Once Ditya Ra, Sonneiko and General get more experience and get a bit more mature they will know how to deal with that, so far, only sonneiko had a previous experience in TI, General and Ditya Ra never did.
You see EG and you think "hey but what about suma1l, he is pretty young !" yeah, but he was put into a team with not only talented players BUT also veterans of the scene overall, that helps... A LOT.
In that situation, only Artstyle and Dendi has the experience to know how to deal with this situations, and they must help the other 3 keep calm and work their problems.
I think the risk of going with new unproven players was well worth it overall.
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On August 11 2016 00:23 Faruko wrote:
To defend Ditya Ra a little bit, he is pretty new to the top pro scene (he has been playing for a long time but always on low level teams) and he is very young (20-21 i think), also sonneiko is 19 and General 19 or 20.
So yeah, he can grow a lot, and lets be honest, TI is a completely different beast, theres a shit ton of pressure (double Major winners OG forgot how to play the game in their last 2 series), playing in front of such a big crowd, etc... is not easy to do.
Once Ditya Ra, Sonneiko and General get more experience and mature a get a bit more mature they will know how to deal with that, so far, only sonneiko had a previous experience in TI, General and Ditya Ra never did.
You see EG and you think "hey but what about suma1l, he is pretty young !" yeah, but he was put into a team with not only talented players BUT also veterans of the scene overall, that helps... A LOT.
In that situation, only Artstyle and Dendi has the experience to know how to deal with this situations, and they must help the other 3 keep calm and work their problems.
I think the risk of going with new unproven players was well worth it overall.
Sumail is also a god and his team sets up to succeed quite often.
Ditya is often sac'ed quite hard.
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That also, you can see how the other 4 protect suma1l not only in the game but outside too.
they know they have an ace in the hole with suma1l, so they treat him like that
Not sure ditya could be that ace (probably general tbh, the guy is sick and could probably rise to be one of the best offlaners) but he gets sac'ed quite hard
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On August 11 2016 00:41 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 00:23 Faruko wrote:
To defend Ditya Ra a little bit, he is pretty new to the top pro scene (he has been playing for a long time but always on low level teams) and he is very young (20-21 i think), also sonneiko is 19 and General 19 or 20.
So yeah, he can grow a lot, and lets be honest, TI is a completely different beast, theres a shit ton of pressure (double Major winners OG forgot how to play the game in their last 2 series), playing in front of such a big crowd, etc... is not easy to do.
Once Ditya Ra, Sonneiko and General get more experience and mature a get a bit more mature they will know how to deal with that, so far, only sonneiko had a previous experience in TI, General and Ditya Ra never did.
You see EG and you think "hey but what about suma1l, he is pretty young !" yeah, but he was put into a team with not only talented players BUT also veterans of the scene overall, that helps... A LOT.
In that situation, only Artstyle and Dendi has the experience to know how to deal with this situations, and they must help the other 3 keep calm and work their problems.
I think the risk of going with new unproven players was well worth it overall. Sumail is also a god and his team sets up to succeed quite often. Ditya is often sac'ed quite hard.
He is not a god, he has like everybody his ups and downs, he is doing good now whereas he sucked badly for months.
Ditya Ra must stay and grow. Failing is a part of learning.
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Sumail is exceptional because he's Fear's protégé, and Fear is the most versatile player in the world and would probably be in the discussion of All Time Great if he wasn't hobbled by bad teams.
Sonneiko used to play really well in qualifiers and disappear in big events for some reason, now he's the most feared person on the team given the number of first round Wisp and Sand King bans you see. Hopefully that would allow Dendi to tap into his once deep hero pool and play anything, and he did play a lot of different heroes during group stage.
Whether that was smart or not, well, whose to say.
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On August 11 2016 01:30 Racket wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 00:41 Rebs wrote:On August 11 2016 00:23 Faruko wrote:
To defend Ditya Ra a little bit, he is pretty new to the top pro scene (he has been playing for a long time but always on low level teams) and he is very young (20-21 i think), also sonneiko is 19 and General 19 or 20.
So yeah, he can grow a lot, and lets be honest, TI is a completely different beast, theres a shit ton of pressure (double Major winners OG forgot how to play the game in their last 2 series), playing in front of such a big crowd, etc... is not easy to do.
Once Ditya Ra, Sonneiko and General get more experience and mature a get a bit more mature they will know how to deal with that, so far, only sonneiko had a previous experience in TI, General and Ditya Ra never did.
You see EG and you think "hey but what about suma1l, he is pretty young !" yeah, but he was put into a team with not only talented players BUT also veterans of the scene overall, that helps... A LOT.
In that situation, only Artstyle and Dendi has the experience to know how to deal with this situations, and they must help the other 3 keep calm and work their problems.
I think the risk of going with new unproven players was well worth it overall. Sumail is also a god and his team sets up to succeed quite often. Ditya is often sac'ed quite hard. He is not a god, he has like everybody his ups and downs, he is doing good now whereas he sucked badly for months. Ditya Ra must stay and grow. Failing is a part of learning.
I disagree. Sumail is a god. Please hold the salt. What is sucking to some people is the relative standards that were set for him based on how he broke out, he never "sucked"
EG in general were doing poorly because you cant have a Sumail and an Arteezy on one team. What matters at the end of the day is how you show up when it really really counts.
That is what un nerves me about the current Na'vi, whether its drafting errors or momentary brain freezes. The ability imo is all there, no disrespect to Artystyle but if he has been probably your best player at this TI you are not going to do much,
I mean you can probably grow out of it and I would give the lineup some more time to play for sure. I dont think you need to cut anything or anyone yet.
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Nop, not going to get in a fight that is not mine
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On August 12 2016 01:32 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 01:30 Racket wrote:On August 11 2016 00:41 Rebs wrote:On August 11 2016 00:23 Faruko wrote:
To defend Ditya Ra a little bit, he is pretty new to the top pro scene (he has been playing for a long time but always on low level teams) and he is very young (20-21 i think), also sonneiko is 19 and General 19 or 20.
So yeah, he can grow a lot, and lets be honest, TI is a completely different beast, theres a shit ton of pressure (double Major winners OG forgot how to play the game in their last 2 series), playing in front of such a big crowd, etc... is not easy to do.
Once Ditya Ra, Sonneiko and General get more experience and mature a get a bit more mature they will know how to deal with that, so far, only sonneiko had a previous experience in TI, General and Ditya Ra never did.
You see EG and you think "hey but what about suma1l, he is pretty young !" yeah, but he was put into a team with not only talented players BUT also veterans of the scene overall, that helps... A LOT.
In that situation, only Artstyle and Dendi has the experience to know how to deal with this situations, and they must help the other 3 keep calm and work their problems.
I think the risk of going with new unproven players was well worth it overall. Sumail is also a god and his team sets up to succeed quite often. Ditya is often sac'ed quite hard. He is not a god, he has like everybody his ups and downs, he is doing good now whereas he sucked badly for months. Ditya Ra must stay and grow. Failing is a part of learning. I disagree. Sumail is a god. Please hold the salt. What is sucking to some people is the relative standards that were set for him based on how he broke out, he never "sucked" EG in general were doing poorly because you cant have a Sumail and an Arteezy on one team. What matters at the end of the day is how you show up when it really really counts. That is what un nerves me about the current Na'vi, whether its drafting errors or momentary brain freezes. The ability imo is all there, no disrespect to Artystyle but if he has been probably your best player at this TI you are not going to do much, I mean you can probably grow out of it and I would give the lineup some more time to play for sure. I dont think you need to cut anything or anyone yet.
I am not salty, I don't like such comments.
I am the type of person who praises but never worships. I am against all those comments that say "OH YEA THIS GUY IS THE BEST" just because he has a good streak. The best player of the world of the week changes hands quite often, today it may be Sumail, last week it was Miracle, next week it could be w33, just because they are the ones doing the flashy plays.
He isn't doing anything we haven't seen already, he is just performing as you expect from a core of his priority.
Do not forget that without RTZ he was also doing poorly. You can blame it on the others, but he not adapting to other players speaks more badly of him than of the others. You should be worshipping Fear instead, if it wasn't for him Sumail would be just another 8k MMR dude waiting for his 15minutes of glory.
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The only thing im going to say is that, "Please hold the salt" was really uncalled for, completely unnecesary as it doesnt add anything to the disscusion.
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On August 12 2016 03:54 Faruko wrote:
The only thing im going to say is that, "Please hold the salt" was really uncalled for, completely unnecesary as it doesnt add anything to the disscusion.
+ Show Spoiler +O it totally was, Im just baiting him. Sumail is a god, bow to his greatness thanks GG.
Also Im not worshipping any one, its a very flippant comment at best. The point itself was to convey Sumail is a bonafide superior core to anyone Na'vi has in terms of displayed achievement and performance.
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On August 12 2016 04:17 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 03:54 Faruko wrote:
The only thing im going to say is that, "Please hold the salt" was really uncalled for, completely unnecesary as it doesnt add anything to the disscusion. + Show Spoiler +O it totally was, Im just baiting him. Sumail is a god, bow to his greatness thanks GG. Also Im not worshipping any one, its a very flippant comment at best. The point itself was to convey Sumail is a bonafide superior core to anyone Na'vi has in terms of displayed achievement and performance.
Lets move on.
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lets move on, i love you both <3
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I wanna see NaVi play again!!
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I am happy with the results of this TI, both 1st and 2nd were beaten by NaVi in the tournament or shortly before. It is nice to see the "dominant" teams achieved mediocre/acceptable results, meaning NaVi could have reached top 4 if it wasn't for the crappy first day they had.
But now we have to see what the new patch bringes and how it hits these players
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On August 15 2016 00:04 Racket wrote:
I am happy with the results of this TI, both 1st and 2nd were beaten by NaVi in the tournament or shortly before. It is nice to see the "dominant" teams achieved mediocre/acceptable results, meaning NaVi could have reached top 4 if it wasn't for the crappy first day they had.
But now we have to see what the new patch bringes and how it hits these players
Navi needs to work on their hero pool a lot more.
If anything this TI showed that teams with better versatility dominated at the end, both Wings and DC have been very flexible with their drafts. TI6 is a clear statement that you can simply ignore the meta if you can afford to be flexible enough.
The issue with Navi is the limited hero pools of both Artstyles and General.
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On August 15 2016 09:39 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2016 00:04 Racket wrote:
I am happy with the results of this TI, both 1st and 2nd were beaten by NaVi in the tournament or shortly before. It is nice to see the "dominant" teams achieved mediocre/acceptable results, meaning NaVi could have reached top 4 if it wasn't for the crappy first day they had.
But now we have to see what the new patch bringes and how it hits these players Navi needs to work on their hero pool a lot more. If anything this TI showed that teams with better versatility dominated at the end, both Wings and DC have been very flexible with their drafts. TI6 is a clear statement that you can simply ignore the meta if you can afford to be flexible enough. The issue with Navi is the limited hero pools of both Artstyles and General.
NaVi has a versatile hero pool, yea ArtStyle needs to play some more heros at a higher level, we have already said that. I don't doubt GeneRaL can. This TI showed that they relied too much on a strong strat they found on the way and forgot what they were doing one month ago. They played before SL a lot more heros and strats. They got overconfident.
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On August 15 2016 16:58 Racket wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2016 09:39 nayumi wrote:On August 15 2016 00:04 Racket wrote:
I am happy with the results of this TI, both 1st and 2nd were beaten by NaVi in the tournament or shortly before. It is nice to see the "dominant" teams achieved mediocre/acceptable results, meaning NaVi could have reached top 4 if it wasn't for the crappy first day they had.
But now we have to see what the new patch bringes and how it hits these players Navi needs to work on their hero pool a lot more. If anything this TI showed that teams with better versatility dominated at the end, both Wings and DC have been very flexible with their drafts. TI6 is a clear statement that you can simply ignore the meta if you can afford to be flexible enough. The issue with Navi is the limited hero pools of both Artstyles and General. NaVi has a versatile hero pool, yea ArtStyle needs to play some more heros at a higher level, we have already said that. I don't doubt GeneRaL can. This TI showed that they relied too much on a strong strat they found on the way and forgot what they were doing one month ago. They played before SL a lot more heros and strats. They got overconfident.
Agreed. I think they got overconfident with stats they found at BTS's studio home. I saw very little variability which was surprising except for Artstyle.
Reading Sonneiko's interview, can't wait for him to play different supports, as I really think he can do whatever he wants (Merlini said his stack lost to Sonneiko mid solar crest first medusa once). Also general we all thought was a one trick pony with batrider and then he surprised us with void, bm, sk, so I'm not too worried about him. Ditya also has a crazy deep pool where he can play basically whatever is given to him. Artstyle is the most prone to one dimensional play so i'd like to see him expand his pool and see Navi really innovate like Zero Gravity promised when they reshuffled post TI2. :D
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Typical post ti shuffle pranks i guess
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Ugghhh, I am not feeling well.
If it is true then you are more than welcome Resolut1on, even if I think no change was needed. Hope it goes well and I also hope Ditya Ra stays as a sub. It would be awesome if they are the first team to actually use a sub (if both players can't play the same heroes that is).
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