On August 09 2016 15:34 Rebs wrote: Im not going to bother explaining it to you because people have tried and it doesnt seem to get through, so lets just agree to disagree on this purported effect of "rubberband" in the game.
FYI the reason Secret hung around so long wasnt really because of rubber band either,
I've followed this game since before Dota2 was announced and know it better than most modern players, so you don't need to explain anything. It even might be the other way around, but whatever.
On August 09 2016 15:34 Rebs wrote: Rubber band isnt really the thing it used to be. Hasnt been for a while.
Well, yeah, it is not absolutely retarded anti-competitive disgrace like it used to be. But it still has huge effect on the game, in multiple ways. At this point it is rooted quite deeply into the game and additional gold and exp are only few of its influences. To name one thing, many heroes and items were changed to accommodate it during last 2 years. Many people simply prefer to ignore it because this apparently makes them feel better about the game.
On August 09 2016 15:34 Rebs wrote: This is like Azarkon level of doubling down on stupidity that is obvious to everyone as incorrect.
Oh, ad hominem, how nice. Guess you're another user not worth discussing anything with.
@Xurr Stop trying to put words in my mouth. I did not make any of the statements you're attributing to me. Go reread my posts and at least try to understand them if you want to have a discussion. Otherwise, if discussion is not your aim and you're just here to gloat, then go ahead, I don't care.
On August 09 2016 14:44 Racket wrote: You are wrong, NaVi had a 1k/2k lead at minute 10 or something, then it was all Liquid. There was no rubberband there. Pschologically? Maybe, but it had nothing to do with Dendi ullting and THEN blinking in for a scream all by himself to end up cought with no buyback, same with Ditya Ra trying to defend racks with autos alone against 5 heroes.
They lost it themselves. They let the naga through, and even if there could have been able to catch her with chrono shadow demon could have saved her while axe disrupted the fight and prophet made them run for their lives..
I do not deny that they lost it themselves. Their draft was simply worse, considering the state of the game nowadays. But saying that there was no rubberband there is simply disingenuous. Rubberband is part of the game. Every single hero kill gives additional "comeback" gold and exp if your team is behind. And one of the teams is always behind, so it affects every game. Psychological impact is also way larger than most people think.
However, I want to add that those mistakes you mentioned didn't matter all that much. They have already lost at that point and it would end all the same even if Na'Vi didn't make them.
Regarding roster changes, I think that either is fine. Looking at all games they played recently, they did relatively decent and probably still have some room for improvement so sticking together is fine. Making minor changes should be fine as well in my opinion. It all depends on their team chemistry, attitudes and communication, i.e. stuff that we can't know for sure.
On August 09 2016 14:58 DucK- wrote: Naw. Find my earlier post about being negative. Didn't work this time though
Yeah, I got it already after seeing post above by the bear jew.
Of course at that point what Dendi and Ditya did had no impact, they lost it before that and I only mentioned those things as an example to why they ended up losing the game (making mistakes one after another, bad position and so on), but just as you point out both deaths had no impact you gotta realize no one here is saying rubberband doesn't exist, just that it had no impact in this game. If you say its impact was psychological then I can say the presence of BH was pressure enough to even care about rubberband. They lost fight after fight with a BH on the other team (you have to even avoid going even when there is one), or are you gonna say that after each even/lost fight they said to themselves "oh no the rubberband!!" instead of "fck this BH is making them rich..."?
I think it is clear as day that this team does not and (TI2 aside) never has understood how to play against Naga Siren. It's a hero whose no fun allowed, get out of jail ult is a middle finger to the roving gang style of play that Navi likes. Even when she isn't suffocating the team under a million illusions, she has the ability to buy herself and the rest of her team TP time and leave Navi alone and vulnerable to attacks from the extreme opposite ends of the map after attempting a big play.
Alliance knows it, they exploit it if their butts are on the line and a win against Navi will keep them alive. Kuro knows it, he's been in some of the nightmare games of the past, and he clearly exploited it. I don't know exactly what is the consistent cog in Navi that has made it a problem, from the days of the TI3 squadron to this team with newer players like Ditya and General. The only constant is Dendi, but how much leadership does he take in how the team plays?
I have to imagine Navi fans hate that hero much more than fans of other teams do, it has it's ups and downs but always seems to be a NaviBuster.
On August 09 2016 15:34 Rebs wrote: Im not going to bother explaining it to you because people have tried and it doesnt seem to get through, so lets just agree to disagree on this purported effect of "rubberband" in the game.
FYI the reason Secret hung around so long wasnt really because of rubber band either,
I've followed this game since before Dota2 was announced and know it better than most modern players, so you don't need to explain anything. It even might be the other way around, but whatever.
On August 09 2016 15:34 Rebs wrote: Rubber band isnt really the thing it used to be. Hasnt been for a while.
Well, yeah, it is not absolutely retarded anti-competitive disgrace like it used to be. But it still has huge effect on the game, in multiple ways. At this point it is rooted quite deeply into the game and additional gold and exp are only few of its influences. To name one thing, many heroes and items were changed to accommodate it during last 2 years. Many people simply prefer to ignore it because this apparently makes them feel better about the game.
On August 09 2016 15:34 Rebs wrote: This is like Azarkon level of doubling down on stupidity that is obvious to everyone as incorrect.
Oh, ad hominem, how nice. Guess you're another user not worth discussing anything with.
@Xurr Stop trying to put words in my mouth. I did not make any of the statements you're attributing to me. Go reread my posts and at least try to understand them if you want to have a discussion. Otherwise, if discussion is not your aim and you're just here to gloat, then go ahead, I don't care.
Arguments in order.. paraphrased ofcourse..
"I know dota more than you."
"Explaining deficit xp and gold mechanics that have existed since Guinsoos 5.84 patches in dota as if its some novel concept that everyone ignores and you are the only one smart enough to notice it."
"Baited by cheap comment that couldve been easily ignored just to appeal to the concept of ad hominem,"
You are right im not worth discussing anything with because your claim that rubberbanding as a major reason for the loss is fundamentally incorrect and you can try to define it however you like, but it had little to do with that game.
On August 09 2016 16:32 RubickPicker wrote: I think it is clear as day that this team does not and (TI2 aside) never has understood how to play against Naga Siren. It's a hero whose no fun allowed, get out of jail ult is a middle finger to the roving gang style of play that Navi likes. Even when she isn't suffocating the team under a million illusions, she has the ability to buy herself and the rest of her team TP time and leave Navi alone and vulnerable to attacks from the extreme opposite ends of the map after attempting a big play.
Alliance knows it, they exploit it if their butts are on the line and a win against Navi will keep them alive. Kuro knows it, he's been in some of the nightmare games of the past, and he clearly exploited it. I don't know exactly what is the consistent cog in Navi that has made it a problem, from the days of the TI3 squadron to this team with newer players like Ditya and General. The only constant is Dendi, but how much leadership does he take in how the team plays?
I have to imagine Navi fans hate that hero much more than fans of other teams do, it has it's ups and downs but always seems to be a NaviBuster.
I hate it a lot. I hate slow pacing games and farm centered playstyles. They amuse me the few times they win against it, like last time against Alliance, but that was on Loda actually.
On August 09 2016 14:20 Bisu-Fan wrote: Artstyle is most suspect, but who else is going to succeed in navi? Who else does CIS have to offer???
Miposhka might be a step up from Artstyle, he and Ramzes were the two most exciting things about Empire Manila.
You'll notice VP was either clever or just lucky to grab the best 1 and 4 position available from the great disbanding, and the most high profile free agents in CIS right now are mid players like G.
On August 09 2016 14:20 Bisu-Fan wrote: Although I am very against the notion of roster shuffling, if I had to change the roster I don't know who I'd kick. Sonneiko and General are great. Dendi is Dendi (though that's becoming slightly less relevant?) Ditya has a great hero pool and can carry but hasn't impressed in recent weeks/months. Artstyle is most suspect, but who else is going to succeed in navi? Who else does CIS have to offer???
Na'Vi is still the best CIS team right now And I hope they don't make any harsh decisions
On August 09 2016 14:20 Bisu-Fan wrote: Although I am very against the notion of roster shuffling, if I had to change the roster I don't know who I'd kick. Sonneiko and General are great. Dendi is Dendi (though that's becoming slightly less relevant?) Ditya has a great hero pool and can carry but hasn't impressed in recent weeks/months. Artstyle is most suspect, but who else is going to succeed in navi? Who else does CIS have to offer???
Na'Vi is still the best CIS team right now And I hope they don't make any harsh decisions
They could build a new team around Sonn, General and Dendi. With ramzes as the new 1. But i cann't think of any cis captain that could be their new 5. Fng didn't work in the past. Maybe bring back puppey. Or full TI 3 with 1.kuro 2. Dendi 3. General 4. Puppey 5. Sonneiko
Ramzes went to VP and they have $25,000,000 or so from a Russian jillionaire, even though they did spend some of it on Epicenter the only way they're getting Ramzes is if he has a huge Dendi crush.
On August 09 2016 17:12 TriCkster135 wrote: They could build a new team around Sonn, General and Dendi. With ramzes as the new 1. But i cann't think of any cis captain that could be their new 5. Fng didn't work in the past. Maybe bring back puppey. Or full TI 3 with 1.kuro 2. Dendi 3. General 4. Puppey 5. Sonneiko
The only person who can replace Artstyle is Puppey And that's not happening... or is it? Homecoming would be awesome
On August 09 2016 17:12 TriCkster135 wrote: They could build a new team around Sonn, General and Dendi. With ramzes as the new 1. But i cann't think of any cis captain that could be their new 5. Fng didn't work in the past. Maybe bring back puppey. Or full TI 3 with 1.kuro 2. Dendi 3. General 4. Puppey 5. Sonneiko
The only person who can replace Artstyle is Puppey And that's not happening... or is it? Homecoming would be awesome
Yeah well, I guess that depends on who is actually the owner of TS, is it Puppey? Maybe it changed hands when the other guy started pouring money.
If Puppey isn't it anymore then it is possible for him to leave the team but I don't think so. Puppey has also that vibe of "I am right and I will let you hurt yourself so you realize it and then we start working together", which I think doesn't fit this team, I may be wrong tho.
Alright finally had the time to write my thoughts.
We deserve last place. In manila, we did everything perfect and got shit on by the brackets. That was harsh, undeserved, but that's dota. Here in TI, we were just not good enough. Didn't show up. We shouldn't have loss against escape and tnc. That would have left us in the upper bracket, or at the very least allow us to choose VGR, who are easy opponents. Alliance should have been beaten. What's up with brew and whats up with lesh ban. And then we pick single core lineups or a team with zero frontline. Bad drafts, bad preparation, bad execution.
Moving on, the team can continue to stick. I think the roster can achieve results and improve over time. We have seen them grown. They have way more strategies now, and could learn more. But the motivation may be lacking, one more year of trying...
I would prefer a small change. Ditya has had his opportunities. But in both manila and ti, he was non existent. He is not playing as solid as he should. His plays are laughable. He is the guy meant to secure our late game and be the lifeline when the +4 fail to do their davai thing. But he has not been able to do so, and has not been able to davai in sync with us.
Ditya should be replaced, and I'd like resolution or ramzes. Both players know how to be aggressive and space create. Both can revert to conservative solid carrying if necessary. Some say silent, but I think he is also a choker. Both players have good hero pools, which means we can have good flexibility in drafts.
The rest are fine. Artstyle is needed to hold the team together. Plus he is actually no longer the weakest link. He played the best in fact. Dendi is the heart of navi. Sonneiko is someone we should have faith in. General has earned his place with brilliant performances, sometimes single handily winning us games.
But oh well. I just wished we didn't get knocked out like that. Feeling quite bitter actually because we were capable of so much more.
And no to puppey please. Guy has embraced the more modern strategic side of dota. I prefer our navi davai style. Those Koreans though, they make our davai look so cowardly.
On August 09 2016 19:43 DucK- wrote: Alright finally had the time to write my thoughts.
We deserve last place. In manila, we did everything perfect and got shit on by the brackets. That was harsh, undeserved, but that's dota. Here in TI, we were just not good enough. Didn't show up. We shouldn't have loss against escape and tnc. That would have left us in the upper bracket, or at the very least allow us to choose VGR, who are easy opponents. Alliance should have been beaten. What's up with brew and whats up with lesh ban. And then we pick single core lineups or a team with zero frontline. Bad drafts, bad preparation, bad execution.
Moving on, the team can continue to stick. I think the roster can achieve results and improve over time. We have seen them grown. They have way more strategies now, and could learn more. But the motivation may be lacking, one more year of trying...
I would prefer a small change. Ditya has had his opportunities. But in both manila and ti, he was non existent. He is not playing as solid as he should. His plays are laughable. He is the guy meant to secure our late game and be the lifeline when the +4 fail to do their davai thing. But he has not been able to do so, and has not been able to davai in sync with us.
Ditya should be replaced, and I'd like resolution or ramzes. Both players know how to be aggressive and space create. Both can revert to conservative solid carrying if necessary. Some say silent, but I think he is also a choker. Both players have good hero pools, which means we can have good flexibility in drafts.
The rest are fine. Artstyle is needed to hold the team together. Plus he is actually no longer the weakest link. He played the best in fact. Dendi is the heart of navi. Sonneiko is someone we should have faith in. General has earned his place with brilliant performances, sometimes single handily winning us games.
But oh well. I just wished we didn't get knocked out like that. Feeling quite bitter actually because we were capable of so much more.
And no to puppey please. Guy has embraced the more modern strategic side of dota. I prefer our navi davai style. Those Koreans though, they make our davai look so cowardly.
While Ditya was, yet again, nearly useless, cant put the loss solely on him. NaVi throughout the tournament displayed a single winning strategy: SK/IO. Im not counting Drow and Husklar strats because those are staple for pretty much all teams. The problems from day one persisted from their first game until their last: looking scared, not using the map efficiently nor rotating correctly, poor item choices, not hitting their timings correctly, not pushing their advantage, questionable drafts etc, which pretty much tells you that they dont quite understand the game. They didnt improve, grow and learn from the games they played. Every single team that has won a TI grows throughout the tournament. NaVi didnt do that. They deserved to loose.
NaVi and Liquid were pretty much in the same spot after the group stage: both teams looked shaky. The difference is that Liquid, especially MindControl and Kuroky stepped up their game, while on NaVi's side even General looked really bad with poor itemchoices and very bad engagements. Im not saying General is to blame, Im just saying that General is usually someone you can count on, but in that last game even he didnt deliver. Cant really isolate one person for the loss, I think all of them were pretty bad. The NaVi that played the group stage was the same NaVi that played their elimination match, nothing changed.
On August 09 2016 20:52 FreakyDroid wrote: While Ditya was, yet again, nearly useless, cant put the loss solely on him. NaVi throughout the tournament displayed a single winning strategy: SK/IO. Im not counting Drow and Husklar strats because those are staple for pretty much all teams. The problems from day one persisted from their first game until their last: looking scared, not using the map efficiently nor rotating correctly, poor item choices, not hitting their timings correctly, not pushing their advantage, questionable drafts etc, which pretty much tells you that they dont quite understand the game. They didnt improve, grow and learn from the games they played. Every single team that has won a TI grows throughout the tournament. NaVi didnt do that. They deserved to loose.
NaVi and Liquid were pretty much in the same spot after the group stage: both teams looked shaky. The difference is that Liquid, especially MindControl and Kuroky stepped up their game, while on NaVi's side even General looked really bad with poor itemchoices and very bad engagements. Im not saying General is to blame, Im just saying that General is usually someone you can count on, but in that last game even he didnt deliver. Cant really isolate one person for the loss, I think all of them were pretty bad. The NaVi that played the group stage was the same NaVi that played their elimination match, nothing changed.
Most of what you say is right but the choices GeneRaL made were due to the needed push/depush. The same goes for Dendi. They knew they had to team fight often and be able to push/depush Naga, I guess they thought the same as with OG could happen. I would have approached the itemization differently: instead of going depush I would have bought at least two Euls to prevent/reduce the disruption caused by Axe and Naga. If Naga would have been out of the fight for at least 3 seconds they could have easily burst one core or both supports, without both supports the other three either run or end up losing more than they gain. What they actually did was try to burst them and they weren't able to either due to Axe's call, Naga's song or SD's disrupt. They could have outplayed Liquid with the right approach.
I don't like Ditya Ra's play much, and I've been saying before Na'Vi seems to lack a player who is truly threatening in late-game which seems to limit them a lot, but at the same time it feels wrong to blame him alone for losses like this lb game. Na'Vi had absolutely no idea how to play against a BH + a team that wants to stall out the game. They had a good enough lead to go and push towers, but instead of doing that they fall into the trap of trying to catch heroes while being constantly scouted by a BH and eventually trading somewhat evenly on kills while the enemy team gets extra gold because of tracks. Then the absolutely retarded 'plays' by Dendi and what by now seems to be becoming our trademark dying 1 by 1 made for a very sad ending.
It's possible that they draft and play this way because they don't feel confident in their ability to win games that go past 20 minutes without a clear game-winning advantage but ultimately they are still losing in the same manner and to the same issues they've had since nearly 2 years ago. Their morale looked just as poor as well, with ridiculous chainfeeds starting the moment game starts slipping away from them. It sucks being so negative, but regardless of whether they change their roster or not, they have a lot of homework to do and with each passing tournament it's harder and harder to believe that they will actually do it.
On August 09 2016 19:43 DucK- wrote: Alright finally had the time to write my thoughts.
We deserve last place. In manila, we did everything perfect and got shit on by the brackets. That was harsh, undeserved, but that's dota. Here in TI, we were just not good enough. Didn't show up. We shouldn't have loss against escape and tnc. That would have left us in the upper bracket, or at the very least allow us to choose VGR, who are easy opponents. Alliance should have been beaten. What's up with brew and whats up with lesh ban. And then we pick single core lineups or a team with zero frontline. Bad drafts, bad preparation, bad execution.
Moving on, the team can continue to stick. I think the roster can achieve results and improve over time. We have seen them grown. They have way more strategies now, and could learn more. But the motivation may be lacking, one more year of trying...
I would prefer a small change. Ditya has had his opportunities. But in both manila and ti, he was non existent. He is not playing as solid as he should. His plays are laughable. He is the guy meant to secure our late game and be the lifeline when the +4 fail to do their davai thing. But he has not been able to do so, and has not been able to davai in sync with us.
Ditya should be replaced, and I'd like resolution or ramzes. Both players know how to be aggressive and space create. Both can revert to conservative solid carrying if necessary. Some say silent, but I think he is also a choker. Both players have good hero pools, which means we can have good flexibility in drafts.
The rest are fine. Artstyle is needed to hold the team together. Plus he is actually no longer the weakest link. He played the best in fact. Dendi is the heart of navi. Sonneiko is someone we should have faith in. General has earned his place with brilliant performances, sometimes single handily winning us games.
But oh well. I just wished we didn't get knocked out like that. Feeling quite bitter actually because we were capable of so much more.
And no to puppey please. Guy has embraced the more modern strategic side of dota. I prefer our navi davai style. Those Koreans though, they make our davai look so cowardly.
I agree
/Fistbump
On top of that they beat NaVi's nemesis.
The draft just says it all. Navi went in the match with a clear strategy / plan, the same way they played for months now. Way too scared to take risks, only relying on comfort heroes. They didn't even question anything when Liquid picked naga, who single handedly counters the whole navi plan (probably a great read from liquid after the qop pick).
Then only to not even play their draft, and the game in general. The early game movements were inexistent beside Artstyle trying his best. They never gathered as five to push with their draft, but neither defended their towers. Liquid was dodging everything and trading better, while Navi had aegis and better pushers. Liquid was absolutely free to do anything they wanted. Navi ran like headless chickens all around the map to sometimes kill a bounty. That was some ridiculous constipated Dota. They didn't want to win, they just wanted to not lose. I can't even imagine how they feel right now. You work hard all year long, improve, achieve good results and get invited to TI, only to not even try in the main event.
Ditya Ra is so transparent everygame, he brings nothing interesting to the team and always looks completely out of sync. Replacing Hvost by him was such an awful decision. Well at least his hero pool was good compared to Hvost.
On August 09 2016 19:43 DucK- wrote: Alright finally had the time to write my thoughts.
We deserve last place. In manila, we did everything perfect and got shit on by the brackets. That was harsh, undeserved, but that's dota. Here in TI, we were just not good enough. Didn't show up. We shouldn't have loss against escape and tnc. That would have left us in the upper bracket, or at the very least allow us to choose VGR, who are easy opponents. Alliance should have been beaten. What's up with brew and whats up with lesh ban. And then we pick single core lineups or a team with zero frontline. Bad drafts, bad preparation, bad execution.
Moving on, the team can continue to stick. I think the roster can achieve results and improve over time. We have seen them grown. They have way more strategies now, and could learn more. But the motivation may be lacking, one more year of trying...
I would prefer a small change. Ditya has had his opportunities. But in both manila and ti, he was non existent. He is not playing as solid as he should. His plays are laughable. He is the guy meant to secure our late game and be the lifeline when the +4 fail to do their davai thing. But he has not been able to do so, and has not been able to davai in sync with us.
Ditya should be replaced, and I'd like resolution or ramzes. Both players know how to be aggressive and space create. Both can revert to conservative solid carrying if necessary. Some say silent, but I think he is also a choker. Both players have good hero pools, which means we can have good flexibility in drafts.
The rest are fine. Artstyle is needed to hold the team together. Plus he is actually no longer the weakest link. He played the best in fact. Dendi is the heart of navi. Sonneiko is someone we should have faith in. General has earned his place with brilliant performances, sometimes single handily winning us games.
But oh well. I just wished we didn't get knocked out like that. Feeling quite bitter actually because we were capable of so much more.
And no to puppey please. Guy has embraced the more modern strategic side of dota. I prefer our navi davai style. Those Koreans though, they make our davai look so cowardly.
I agree
/Fistbump
On top of that they beat NaVi's nemesis.
Ditya Ra is so transparent everygame, he brings nothing interesting to the team and always looks completely out of sync. Replacing Hvost by him was such an awful decision. Well at least his hero pool was good compared to Hvost.
Except he plays shit like safelane Furion instead of heroes that can actually win games.
On August 09 2016 19:43 DucK- wrote: Alright finally had the time to write my thoughts.
We deserve last place. In manila, we did everything perfect and got shit on by the brackets. That was harsh, undeserved, but that's dota. Here in TI, we were just not good enough. Didn't show up. We shouldn't have loss against escape and tnc. That would have left us in the upper bracket, or at the very least allow us to choose VGR, who are easy opponents. Alliance should have been beaten. What's up with brew and whats up with lesh ban. And then we pick single core lineups or a team with zero frontline. Bad drafts, bad preparation, bad execution.
Moving on, the team can continue to stick. I think the roster can achieve results and improve over time. We have seen them grown. They have way more strategies now, and could learn more. But the motivation may be lacking, one more year of trying...
I would prefer a small change. Ditya has had his opportunities. But in both manila and ti, he was non existent. He is not playing as solid as he should. His plays are laughable. He is the guy meant to secure our late game and be the lifeline when the +4 fail to do their davai thing. But he has not been able to do so, and has not been able to davai in sync with us.
Ditya should be replaced, and I'd like resolution or ramzes. Both players know how to be aggressive and space create. Both can revert to conservative solid carrying if necessary. Some say silent, but I think he is also a choker. Both players have good hero pools, which means we can have good flexibility in drafts.
The rest are fine. Artstyle is needed to hold the team together. Plus he is actually no longer the weakest link. He played the best in fact. Dendi is the heart of navi. Sonneiko is someone we should have faith in. General has earned his place with brilliant performances, sometimes single handily winning us games.
But oh well. I just wished we didn't get knocked out like that. Feeling quite bitter actually because we were capable of so much more.
And no to puppey please. Guy has embraced the more modern strategic side of dota. I prefer our navi davai style. Those Koreans though, they make our davai look so cowardly.
I agree
/Fistbump
On top of that they beat NaVi's nemesis.
The draft just says it all. Navi went in the match with a clear strategy / plan, the same way they played for months now. Way too scared to take risks, only relying on comfort heroes. They didn't even question anything when Liquid picked naga, who single handedly counters the whole navi plan (probably a great read from liquid after the qop pick).
Then only to not even play their draft, and the game in general. The early game movements were inexistent beside Artstyle trying his best. They never gathered as five to push with their draft, but neither defended their towers. Liquid was dodging everything and trading better, while Navi had aegis and better pushers. Liquid was absolutely free to do anything they wanted. Navi ran like headless chickens all around the map to sometimes kill a bounty. That was some ridiculous constipated Dota. They didn't want to win, they just wanted to not lose. I can't even imagine how they feel right now. You work hard all year long, improve, achieve good results and get invited to TI, only to not even try in the main event.
Ditya Ra is so transparent everygame, he brings nothing interesting to the team and always looks completely out of sync. Replacing Hvost by him was such an awful decision. Well at least his hero pool was good compared to Hvost.
It wasn't an awful decision, Xboct can't play this kind of Dota, not as a carry at least and not with the mindset from TI3. The game developed and changed, he didn't. Not only his hero pool as a carry was small but also his playstyle was straightforward and had no alternatives (he couldn't even split push for god's sake...). Ditya Ra on the other hand, was from the beginning an upgrade. He just lacks consistency when it comes to major events, if he were to fix that he would be the best CIS carry at the moment. I repeat myself, I believe this lack of deliverance he shows is what got him stuck in T2/T3 teams for almost 8 years. If he played this TI as he played SL NaVi would still be in the UB.
Don't take me wrong I am not blaming this on him, he was just one more lackluster team member, we are just focusing the conversation on him where Dendi could have also stepped up for instance.
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