EPTSo what gives? They were discovered, punished, move on.
DDZ apologizes for his involvement in matchfixing - Page 3
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zdfgucker
China594 Posts
So what gives? They were discovered, punished, move on. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On October 21 2014 01:36 zdfgucker wrote: Meh, I don't see the big deal here. Match fixing happens in most sports, is done by people who can't get to the (well paid) very top and are desperate to make as much money as they can in their limited time. Bans and punishments don't stop them from doing it anyways. So what gives? They were discovered, punished, move on. If we were in BW sub-forum, you would get tempbanned for such an obvious trolling attempt. This issue shouldn't be taken lightly, we should show zero sympathy towards the culprits. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On October 21 2014 01:36 zdfgucker wrote: Meh, I don't see the big deal here. Match fixing happens in most sports, is done by people who can't get to the (well paid) very top and are desperate to make as much money as they can in their limited time. Bans and punishments don't stop them from doing it anyways. So what gives? They were discovered, punished, move on. In many sports you can easily end up in jail for match-fixing, not to mention heavy fines, We need to ensure their are properly punished (as well as have a correct assessment of the situation)... And put obstacles in place, to not allow this to happen easily in the future. As for the article posted... Their manager doesn't sound like the most amazing of people, but to me, the players look far worse than the manager imo. If they were paid, and it seems to me that the manager for most part followed the contract (though he didn't go above it), while clearly ddz and lance didn't, by partaking in match-fixing. And what the... They were making the average undergrad salary playing Dota in SEA, and they are complaining? Are you serious? That's the equivalent of making $60,000 here in Canada, please tell me how many people make that money playing Dota 2 from salary, not to mention it doesn't even include their prize winnings. They did not have enough viewership or popularity to even warrant that much imo. Days of pro players making $200-$400/month in US, Canada, Germany, etc are not that far away, and that is much less money than these ex-Arrow guys were making if you consider PPP. | ||
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MCWhiteHaze
United States155 Posts
People will always love Football, soccer, basketball, baseball, etc. but esports is very young. A sport that originated with the increase of technology and it has the potential to crumble quickly from incidents like this. Esports is popular, but nothing like any of the major sports. Much like heyoka said, if we lose the sponsorship amongst players then esports is gone. It urks me how he tries to play the pity card a bit with the whole short on money living in the city deal. Now hes really gonna be hurting for money.... I wish there could be official press releases where they make their statements on camera because then we can hear the sincerity in their voice. Idk i thought this was a weak statement and hope he receives severe punishment | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
Whether other international organizations follow Synergy's suit is remains to be seen, though I am almost sure any Chinese org/D2CL/BTS don't want to take risks with everyone indirectly involved in a scandal for a year, at least. | ||
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calippo
Sweden2525 Posts
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
The SEA region as a whole seems to be in a flux | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On October 21 2014 02:07 Kuroeeah wrote: I just love the whole idea of "the evil manipulative girlfriends are the masterminds behind everything". The SEA region as a whole seems to be in a flux i cant see this whole situation being good for their relationship(s). boyfriend potentially about to lose job as progamer, is blaming girlfriend in public...... | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
But yeah, these are kids getting caught doing something dumb and then increasing the dumb by not fessing up. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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tehh4ck3r
Magrathea7077 Posts
SEA needs legit teams and sponsors to make the scene sustainable, but match fixing sets them back so much. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On October 21 2014 02:39 tehh4ck3r wrote: I feel sorry for these guys- they can't make a decent wage off of playing Dota (unless they're Team Malaysia and win pretty much SEA event they enter) so they have to match fix to make any money. SEA needs legit teams and sponsors to make the scene sustainable, but match fixing sets them back so much. Go to reddit please. @Plansix, from what I've understood the statement in Chinese is written by ddz and he doesn't blame anyone (his manager or gf) there. The statement in English is written by his gf, who is desperately trying to play blame game and doesn't show a slight remorse. We shouldn't judge who's less guilty in this incident, though, just let them share the same fate to the end. Maybe their feelings can overcome the absence of critical thinking and public shame, but I honestly doubt it. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On October 21 2014 02:39 tehh4ck3r wrote: I feel sorry for these guys- they can't make a decent wage off of playing Dota (unless they're Team Malaysia and win pretty much SEA event they enter) so they have to match fix to make any money. SEA needs legit teams and sponsors to make the scene sustainable, but match fixing sets them back so much. Man, we're trying, we really are (to explain how this logic is completely flawed).... sigh. If I like picking mushrooms for a living, but nobody will pay me well to do it, will I go commit crimes, or switch careers? In SEA esports is not popular enough given their low disposable incomes to justify large sponsors to come in. Sponsors are not coming in because of that, not because of any superficial reasons. Sponsors do not make a scene sustainable, popularity does, everything else is an effect of popularity. Please realize this. | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
On October 21 2014 02:48 FiWiFaKi wrote: Man, we're trying, we really are (to explain how this logic is completely flawed).... sigh. If I like picking mushrooms for a living, but nobody will pay me well to do it, will I go commit crimes, or switch careers? In SEA esports is not popular enough given their low disposable incomes to justify large sponsors to come in. Sponsors are not coming in because of that, not because of any superficial reasons. Sponsors do not make a scene sustainable, popularity does, everything else is an effect of popularity. Please realize this. He's not saying that the actions were right; he's saying that there were valid reasons (from their point of view) to do whatever they did. Obviously this attitude isn't the right one to adopt when you look at Mushi, who rejected Titan's contract at the moment because he feels that the team doesn't deserve it yet. | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
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ArchDC
Malaysia1996 Posts
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wuhan_clan
United States5609 Posts
It's just as ignorant as saying all Islamic terrorists are attacking us because they hate our freedom! 'Murica!!! | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On October 21 2014 02:48 FiWiFaKi wrote: Man, we're trying, we really are (to explain how this logic is completely flawed).... sigh. If I like picking mushrooms for a living, but nobody will pay me well to do it, will I go commit crimes, or switch careers? In SEA esports is not popular enough given their low disposable incomes to justify large sponsors to come in. Sponsors are not coming in because of that, not because of any superficial reasons. Sponsors do not make a scene sustainable, popularity does, everything else is an effect of popularity. Please realize this. If you looked at the numbers in SEA for dota2 popularity, it is among the most popular regions for dota2, ranking similarly with all of China and higher than the US east+west. However, I suspect that the sponsors in SEA don't have as much money compared to the rest of the world, thus it is logical to find higher income elsewhere, even if they can scrape out a living due to the cheap costs (outside of singapore). However, it has not made sense since the beginning of dota2 for non local sponsors to sponsor dota2 teams in SEA, especially since china cannot play online with SEA anymore, leading to decreased coverage Funnily enough, SEA also contains a complete opposite of itself: Korea, which has extremely low dota2 popularity but a lot of money going into it because of Nexon. | ||
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Snerd
United States125 Posts
Makes me sick. | ||
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