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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
October 20 2014 11:37 GMT
#1
DDZ just posted through facebook an apology about the recent Arrow Gaming debacle that saw his team accused of fixing a game in Synergy League against Can't Saw Wips. He admits fault and says that him and Lance did take payment to set the result and is willing to accept his punishment.

This comes on the back of a reddit post yesterday claiming that the evidence used to expel them from leagues such as The Summit 2 and Synergy League was fabricated, and that there was no wrongdoing. This is also covered in the apology, where he explains it was their manager attempting damage control.

大家好,我是ddz。我要向所有朋友与粉丝道歉,因为我的举动已经害了大家,连累了大家也辜负了大家对我的期望。
我想让大家知道我当初为什么会这样做,是因为我们需要赚多点外快。我明白身为一个玩家是不被鼓励下注,但是我希望你们明白我们的处境,并没有你们想象中那么容易简单。

我也想说对不起,因为当初没有提早承认,反而却一直想掩护自己的错误。因为当时我很害怕,所以就跟了其他的人的话去做。我也很抱歉因为我当时真的没有发现到这举动有多么的不道德。我希望大家能给我们一个机会,我们已经知错了,也终于有了勇气认错。我们向大家保证,以后不会再有这样的事情发生。非常的对不起。我相信大家想知道的是真相,而不是一错再错的谎言。

The purpose of writing this is to clarify about the 322 incident.

But firstly, we, the 5 members of Arrow Gaming as well as XiaoTing and Hishiko (DDZ and Lance’s girlfriends), would like to sincerely apologize to the organizers, Synergy League and BeyondTheSummit, and to our fans as well as the Dota 2 community for all the trouble we have caused.

Firstly, we want to admit that the 322 by DDZ and Lance is true, and we are very sorry for this mistake. We considered doing it in the first place because we were desperate for money. We live in the city, and being underpaid, things are just very tough and harsh on us sometimes. We are very very sorry for this action and we should have never done it.

We were very afraid and lost, and didn’t know what to do and how to react. And thus, we approached our management for help and we were advised to cover up for the sake of our reputation. We knew this was wrong but we felt extremely pressured to follow whatever our manager Jaren Gan, said, as we are working for him.

The statement, as well as the ‘evidence’ provided, that was made in DDZ’s name, was not written by him, but by Jaren for damage control. We know this is wrong and it made things even worse by covering up a mistake with lies. We should not have let it happen.

We are also sorry for not confessing earlier, and also very sorry for letting all our fans and the Dota 2 community down. We are deeply sorry for not following our hearts and just doing what is right, because we were afraid and terrified of what would happen to us. Gaming is our life and we were afraid that we would lose everything because of our greed and desperation.

But no matter what it is, we accept 100% the punishment and consequences that is to be made to us, and we give our word and our promise that this will never happen again. It was an extremely stupid mistake, and we made it worse by doing something we knew was wrong instead of admitting it straight away.
We have finally found the courage to admit it and to confess because we know that lies will only lead to more lies and we will never find peace of mind. We believe that telling people the truth and admitting our mistakes, even if it may be too late, is the right thing to do.

We are also very sorry that we were too stupid to realize how unethical it was… we are sorry for everything that we have done. We have betrayed our fans’ trust and faith in us, and we will never forgive ourselves. We hope that you can forgive us even after all we’ve done. Thank you.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
October 20 2014 11:40 GMT
#2
As an aside it's fairly disgusting to me to see it referred to as "322" in these official statements, given that phrase has essentially been used exclusively as a twitch meme for the last two years. Though I understand it is convenient shorthand here for what happened, it's taking something that could seriously hurt the future of Dota and treating it like a joke.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
October 20 2014 11:51 GMT
#3
so much for an apology, lol. damage already done, their manager dug them a deeper hole and they were too young and inexperienced to learn how to deal with it properly. Of course being young by no means absolves them from their actions. But it'll most definitely be a really valuable life lesson for them.

SolarFlare93
Profile Joined August 2013
Australia301 Posts
October 20 2014 11:53 GMT
#4
On October 20 2014 20:40 Heyoka wrote:
As an aside it's fairly disgusting to me to see it referred to as "322" in these official statements, given that phrase has essentially been used exclusively as a twitch meme for the last two years. Though I understand it is convenient shorthand here for what happened, it's taking something that could seriously hurt the future of Dota and treating it like a joke.


Yeah. I would have to agree with it. As professionals, making a statement like that is really tarnishing the scene as a whole. I would have expected a more formal statement irrespective of it being longer.

I also can't believe how they attempted to fabricate evidence that they were not involved.
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
October 20 2014 11:56 GMT
#5
On October 20 2014 20:40 Heyoka wrote:
As an aside it's fairly disgusting to me to see it referred to as "322" in these official statements, given that phrase has essentially been used exclusively as a twitch meme for the last two years. Though I understand it is convenient shorthand here for what happened, it's taking something that could seriously hurt the future of Dota and treating it like a joke.


it really is very strange. It almost feels like they try to downplay it by calling it 322 instead of calling it match fixing and it bothers me quite a bit as well. It also just looks stupid
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malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
October 20 2014 11:58 GMT
#6
also the blame game begins.

http://imgur.com/4oOw8MI

http://imgur.com/e0Ip6vT

http://imgur.com/dyNM4Bg
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
October 20 2014 11:59 GMT
#7
It doesn't seem like they are treating this seriously what so ever. It's really bothering me.
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shouldbeworking
Profile Joined October 2014
946 Posts
October 20 2014 12:05 GMT
#8
Such a disappointing turn of events. DDZ was showing so much promise as a player and then this happens. Definitely needs punishment, but its sad that he's going to be banned for life.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
October 20 2014 12:13 GMT
#9
On October 20 2014 20:40 Heyoka wrote:
As an aside it's fairly disgusting to me to see it referred to as "322" in these official statements, given that phrase has essentially been used exclusively as a twitch meme for the last two years. Though I understand it is convenient shorthand here for what happened, it's taking something that could seriously hurt the future of Dota and treating it like a joke.

i think its a SEA culture thing, in combination with the amateur attitude in SEA for esports. its relevant to why you have casters like lysander and xyclopz having the styles they have
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Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
October 20 2014 12:42 GMT
#10
I wonder why half of it is in Chinese and the other half is in English.

They should've gone the Solo route and just never admit it actually happened, seems to have worked out.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
October 20 2014 12:43 GMT
#11
lol, was his denial statement even out for 24 hours before this admission?
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 20 2014 12:44 GMT
#12
I love the excuse for being desperate for money. That's why most people commit crimes of fraud and theft.
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
October 20 2014 12:44 GMT
#13
On October 20 2014 21:42 Count9 wrote:
I wonder why half of it is in Chinese and the other half is in English.

They should've gone the Solo route and just never admit it actually happened, seems to have worked out.

iirc ddz's english is pretty poor
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Dysisa
Profile Joined July 2014
Sweden2376 Posts
October 20 2014 12:47 GMT
#14
I feel a bit of sympathy for them, because I've heard plenty about how rough it can be over there and especially when esports is your living I imagine it only gets harder. With that said though, it doesn't excuse their actions and man does it sadden me considering how much promise DDZ was showing. I hope they all learn from their mistakes and come back stronger than ever one day.
fuck dota 2 | "i don't like ppd, and i really look forward to one day beating that motherfucker" -Swindlemelonzz, my personal hero
AssasinCross
Profile Joined June 2013
Indonesia15 Posts
October 20 2014 12:55 GMT
#15
Damage has been done.....
Now it's hard to fix it.
Lazy
Random()
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
October 20 2014 13:14 GMT
#16
There has to be at least some accepted guidelines regarding the punishment for these things. It's obvious that everyone involved has to be punished, but to be honest I really don't like all this mob justice, "ban them all for life" etc.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44251 Posts
October 20 2014 13:20 GMT
#17
too bad

i wish that tournament organizers in the future put some kind of heavy rule regarding matchfixing. The punishment should be grave in order to prevent(of course it does not prevent some from doing so but at least the dread is there) this kind of events in the future.

this is a quote
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
October 20 2014 13:21 GMT
#18
On October 20 2014 20:40 Heyoka wrote:
As an aside it's fairly disgusting to me to see it referred to as "322" in these official statements, given that phrase has essentially been used exclusively as a twitch meme for the last two years. Though I understand it is convenient shorthand here for what happened, it's taking something that could seriously hurt the future of Dota and treating it like a joke.

Not sure how much English DDZ knows, but I'm willing to give the benefit of doubt that he's just using the phrase he is most familiar with. It doesn't feel as though he is trying to downplay this at all.

Sorry that it had to get so bad for him to come clean, but unfortunately life can be harsh. Glad he's willing to accept the punishment.
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 20 2014 13:24 GMT
#19
I agree with LeLoup that he was likely struggling for a phrase to sum up what he did, rather than using 322 to dismiss what he did. He might not have a good short hand phrase like "match fixing" at his disposal.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-20 13:28:35
October 20 2014 13:26 GMT
#20
On October 20 2014 21:43 ahswtini wrote:
lol, was his denial statement even out for 24 hours before this admission?


Something like 16 I think. Less than a full day.

On October 20 2014 22:14 Random() wrote:
There has to be at least some accepted guidelines regarding the punishment for these things. It's obvious that everyone involved has to be punished, but to be honest I really don't like all this mob justice, "ban them all for life" etc.


This is one situation where I'm okay with the punishment being a lifetime ban. Of all the things a player can do to harm himself/his team/his community this is the one that can have very serious longterm ramifications, this is the sort of thing that will make sponsors decline to look into the scene and invest in the sorts of ways that improve conditions for everyone. We joke about hurting/helping esports a lot but this is something that can legitimately destroy the credibility and sustainability of gamers looking to be professionals. Extreme punishment is both fitting and hopefully a deterrent for people who get into the same situation.

On October 20 2014 22:21 LeLoup wrote:
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On October 20 2014 20:40 Heyoka wrote:
As an aside it's fairly disgusting to me to see it referred to as "322" in these official statements, given that phrase has essentially been used exclusively as a twitch meme for the last two years. Though I understand it is convenient shorthand here for what happened, it's taking something that could seriously hurt the future of Dota and treating it like a joke.

Not sure how much English DDZ knows, but I'm willing to give the benefit of doubt that he's just using the phrase he is most familiar with. It doesn't feel as though he is trying to downplay this at all.

Sorry that it had to get so bad for him to come clean, but unfortunately life can be harsh. Glad he's willing to accept the punishment.


I don't think he is particularly comfortable with English so that seems the most likely scenario, he's just using it as shorthand because that's how he knows to communicate the message. I'm not a fan of it but he deserves the benefit of the doubt for sure.
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