|
On November 01 2011 10:00 mrgerry wrote:
Little off topic but I been getting together a group of mates I've met through LoL over the months and have been getting together a group to do dota inhouses. As of right now, it's about 12 of us playing through garena. So this is an open invite to anyone else interested, just send me a PM and I'll add you through steam and try to get some games going. So far we haven't had a full ten on so I can't say how well they have gone yet but in theory it seems like this will be a nicer transition then just jumping into pubbing and having 0 fun while ruining games for the other nine people.
And on topic: My initial issues I had transitioning were getting used to having my hero deselected, adjusting to the shop system, and in general dealing with being a complete noob all over again and having no idea what the heroes I'm laning against do.
tl diamond bar in tl teamspeak (left side near bottom of page) usually as that amount. though we've been a core dota community on tl for a while (over a year) skill levels range from low to high (mostly low).
though we've mostly been playing lod dota these days we would play more ih if we could get them
|
At one point I'd love to join in, but at my current skill level I would just be ruining games. Give me a few months to become less useless ^_^
|
On November 01 2011 10:46 mrgerry wrote:
At one point I'd love to join in, but at my current skill level I would just be ruining games. Give me a few months to become less useless ^_^
dota 2 will be open beta by then 
|
I'd like to start doing IH's sometime*. TL Diamond Bar has a password?
*gotta stave off this no-beta cabin fever
|
On November 01 2011 11:06 myopia wrote:
I'd like to start doing IH's sometime*. TL Diamond Bar has a password?
*gotta stave off this no-beta cabin fever
double click anybodys name thats not muted (preferrably me) and ask for password. say rabidch posted in some thread on tl and you want to play
we arent playing now though
|
I am also wanting to start dota since I suck at RTS but am good at Dota style games, however I am unsure how dota will catch on in the west and that is a big factor in a game for me.
|
On November 01 2011 14:29 esotericc wrote:
I am also wanting to start dota since I suck at RTS but am good at Dota style games, however I am unsure how dota will catch on in the west and that is a big factor in a game for me.
Yes, dota isn't big round here at the moment, I don't think it has much chance really, maybe only in China.
|
On November 01 2011 10:51 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 10:46 mrgerry wrote:
At one point I'd love to join in, but at my current skill level I would just be ruining games. Give me a few months to become less useless ^_^ dota 2 will be open beta by then
yea right
|
I played LoL before.
First of all: play defensive...dont be greedy.
always remeber: YOU DONT HAVE FLASH! :D
read some guides on playdota...how to play the game etc. easiest is if you start with support heroes.
the best you can do as noob is not to feed imo.
|
1. What bad habits do LoL players participate in that I should actively be trying to break? (Simply "playing LoL" doesn't count )
2. I've heard consumables are a bigger part of DotA and its sequel/spinoffs than LoL. Should I continue to use them in LoL even if I'm the only player on my team doing so?
3. Is it worth my time to dig up my old copy of Warcraft III and download whatever I need for the current version of DotA instead of playing LoL?
Speaking as a former "pro" DotA player this is my take.
1. In my experience LoL players tend not to focus so much on the dynamic of the game, when to push and when to sacrifice everything to save a tower or a raxx. Generally speaking, thinking outside the "Creepkills > Gold > Items > Win" mentality, is alot more required in DotA than in HoN and LoL - in my opinion.
2. I don't know if you should use them in LoL if they are no good, would seem rather weird, as long as you keep it in mind, I'm sure you'll start using them automatically when you start DotA.
3. Definitely yes. Playing DotA will always be the best way to learn. HoN and LoL might give you alot of the mechanics you need for dota, but in my experience the mindset is a bit off in both games.
Just my two cents.
|
Thanks, everyone. I deeply appreciate all the advice.
I actually need to pick up the WC3 BattleChest. I have the CE of RoC but my copies of TFT are illegitimate. That'll be a couple weeks down the road. So I'll probably do more LoL in the meantime, keeping the following things in mind.
1) Practice last hitting. Make it an active thing to click on a creep or enemy even if I'm just auto-attacking.
2) Use Recall as little as possible, as if I have TP scrolls and not a free magic home base button.
3) Communicate which lane I'm moving to/holding/pushing, even if I'm alone in said lane, because that's the kind of thing I think DotA players will be looking for.
4) Focus on my own gameplay, timing, etc instead of looking for teammates or champions to blame. Calling an enemy champ OP is a lot easier than being honest about botching a skill execution.
I figure if I do these things, even if they're not entirely necessary for LoL, will give me some basic bare-bones habits that will translate well into DotA.
|
Your points 1), 2) and 4) won't translate to DotA, so you don't need to "practice" them. It's basically a waste of time imo.
- lasthitting is just harder in DotA, if you are a pro- lasthitter in LoL you will still lose many many many kills/denies in DotA(I guess it's never bad to improve your lasthitting skills but you shouldn't expect to be a good lasthitter in DotA just because you are successful in LoL)
- not using recall won't benefit your future DotA gameplay but will just weaken your current LoL gameplay. TP's in DotA are rarely used to "go heal and buy" but to initate/defend ganks. That's a skill that you won't be able to learn by not using recall
- focussing on timings also won't help you with DotA as the timings/ gameplay there is again different
The only valid point is to improve your communication which is always good in every teamgame. And still, communication in LoL differs from DotA.
If you aren't able to play DotA right now, just enjoy your LoL games without focussing on improving skills you need for another game!
|
Be a lot more careful in DotA, and especially HoN. You can blink and die before your eyelids are shut.
|
Try to give you my take as I have actually played DotA for years and just moved to LoL 2 months ago
As everyone pointed out already last hit and deny is going to be something you need to adjust to because when creeps are low you can expect your opponents to kill it as well. This becomes a serious mind game as well between you and your opponent on when to last hit the creep and likely when you start off, there will be games where it can be extremely discouraging if the other guy just denies the majority of your creeps.Also most DotA hero's don't have a spell made for farming creeps (not sure if its a good example but Q for Annie IMO is made for farming early on and to build charges for your passive)
Casters in LoL can use ability power to scale up, DotA casters spells generally gets weaker by late game. This is where having unique utility items in DotA for casters make up for their weakness. Items like force staff, ghost scepter, euls, sheep stick, orchid, blink (LoL's flash but lower cd and costs 2150) allows casters to stay alive or start a initiation on a team battle .By late game they can be the difference maker in you casting your second or third round of spell which can be the last CC that lets your carry kill theirs.
There usually isn't a tank role in DotA, hero's can be built tanky with items but usually there won't be a specific tank that is supposed to tank all the damage. Supports exist in DotA, in LoL supports are generally at bottom to assist the AD carry, in DotA they are usually the ones that will roam around and gank as well as supporting their carry. The jungle role is more limited as the amount of hero's that can jungle in DotA effectively is lower than the junglers in LoL.
|
One thing for sure, if you want to be good at DotA 2, you should really just be playing DotA. LoL and HoN aren't going to get you anything at all like the good practice or knowledge that DotA 1 will.
|
Well there's some good advice in this thread despite the weird bickering. I'll try to give my 2 cents.
1. Map awareness is super important. Developing a good sense of where enemy heroes are likely to be takes time. You see nobody on the map and you're farming alone away from a tower? Watch out.
2. Learn all the heroes and items, play dota 1 or read some guides. It's good to know which heroes you can escape from, which heroes you can take down solo, which heroes can sneak up on you, etc.
3. Timing of spells is important. You can't just spam everything. It's best to coordinate disables/slows with your allies so that the disable durations match up. Also mana management is important. Learn which heroes synergize well together as well.
4. Learn the mechanics of the game. Dota 1 was limited by the WC3 engine and many of the spells/items are altered versions of existing spells. Stuff like "which spells go through BKB" and "which hero orbs cannot be used with certain items" are pretty important to learn as well.
5. Don't get discouraged. You are probably going to feed a lot but learn from your mistakes and you'll have a lot of fun.
Edit Extra
6. Execution means everything. Lots of people know what to do and how to do it. Unfortunately too many people cannot execute when they need to. If there's a certain skill you have trouble mastering, for example Pudge hooks or shift-queuing epicenter-dagger, play a solo map and practice them again and again.
|
On October 31 2011 20:21 BlueInkAlchemist wrote:I may get smacked around for asking this, but it's a question that's been nagging me ever since I started puttering around in LoL. So here goes! The opening threads in this section make it clear that there's a huge difference between League of Legends and Defense of the Ancients 2. I must admit, I never played the original DotA, and LoL is my first real exposure to the ARTS style of game. That said, I like it, and I'm curious about DotA2 and Blizzard DotA. I've been trying to play more standard LoL than Dominion so I can learn more about lane control, "real" item choices and decision-making when enemies come into range. My questions are the following: 1. What bad habits do LoL players participate in that I should actively be trying to break? (Simply "playing LoL" doesn't count  ) 2. I've heard consumables are a bigger part of DotA and its sequel/spinoffs than LoL. Should I continue to use them in LoL even if I'm the only player on my team doing so? 3. Is it worth my time to dig up my old copy of Warcraft III and download whatever I need for the current version of DotA instead of playing LoL? Thanks in advance, folks. Here's hoping I don't get smacked with the banhammer!
1. In LoL many heroes have abilities that let them farm easily and push the lane, and abilities have a lower mana cost, so you often see players spamming these abilities. I don't know what level you play at, but this is common for me even in mid Elo. In DotA this is a very bad habit because pushing the lane leads to more dangerous ganks. Ganks are possible in LoL of course, but way less frequent. It's usually preferable to keep the creeps near your tower unless you can get a nice push out of it.
2&3. If you're really interested in DotA2, you should start with DotA1 now, or HoN if you prefer. HoN has many of the same heroes, but you'll have to relearn the animations and stuff, so really DotA1 is the best. DotA1 also has a very nice AI map, way better AI than LoL, you can train against that for awhile to get used to the heroes. From playing LoL for a long time, I know LoL makes you much worse at DotA, last-hitting is much harder and timing is more important in general.
But, there are things you can take from your LoL experience: initiating, positioning, paying attention to the minimap and timing when to go for Roshan (Baron) and jungle farm. All of these things will carry over regardless of the game you play.
|
On November 02 2011 05:29 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 20:21 BlueInkAlchemist wrote:I may get smacked around for asking this, but it's a question that's been nagging me ever since I started puttering around in LoL. So here goes! The opening threads in this section make it clear that there's a huge difference between League of Legends and Defense of the Ancients 2. I must admit, I never played the original DotA, and LoL is my first real exposure to the ARTS style of game. That said, I like it, and I'm curious about DotA2 and Blizzard DotA. I've been trying to play more standard LoL than Dominion so I can learn more about lane control, "real" item choices and decision-making when enemies come into range. My questions are the following: 1. What bad habits do LoL players participate in that I should actively be trying to break? (Simply "playing LoL" doesn't count ) 2. I've heard consumables are a bigger part of DotA and its sequel/spinoffs than LoL. Should I continue to use them in LoL even if I'm the only player on my team doing so? 3. Is it worth my time to dig up my old copy of Warcraft III and download whatever I need for the current version of DotA instead of playing LoL? Thanks in advance, folks. Here's hoping I don't get smacked with the banhammer! 1. In LoL many heroes have abilities that let them farm easily and push the lane, and abilities have a lower mana cost, so you often see players spamming these abilities. I don't know what level you play at, but this is common for me even in mid Elo. In DotA this is a very bad habit because pushing the lane leads to more dangerous ganks. Ganks are possible in LoL of course, but way less frequent. It's usually preferable to keep the creeps near your tower unless you can get a nice push out of it. 2&3. If you're really interested in DotA2, you should start with DotA1 now, or HoN if you prefer. HoN has many of the same heroes, but you'll have to relearn the animations and stuff, so really DotA1 is the best. DotA1 also has a very nice AI map, way better AI than LoL, you can train against that for awhile to get used to the heroes. From playing LoL for a long time, I know LoL makes you much worse at DotA, last-hitting is much harder and timing is more important in general. But, there are things you can take from your LoL experience: initiating, positioning, paying attention to the minimap and timing when to go for Roshan (Baron) and jungle farm. All of these things will carry over regardless of the game you play.
pushing the lane is not always bad, but generally if you dont mostly understand what you're doing during laning, don't push the lane
|
Long story short : You won't learn much useful for Dota2 by playing LoL.
I would also recommend playing HoN, it's extremely similar to DotA and far easier to get into (400mb download, free to play, matchmaking, customizable hotkeys, reconnecting etc). Getting into Dota1 right now could be quite a nightmare as a new player, pub games could be pretty horrible.
The transition from HoN to Dota2 will be easy since you're moving into a slightly slower paced game with less ganking (that might sound negative but I do actually think DotA is better). The differences are minor things like animations and speeds which you'll get used to in no time. Personally I haven't played a single game of DotA after the HoN beta started and I know I'll be able to instantly jump in and perform in game 1 of Dota2.
|
I'm a LoL player myself and personally I have started playing Dota on the ICCUP server, to prepare for Dota 2 (Horrible noob)
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
