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Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
August 23 2013 09:48 GMT
#1101
Pretty happy with the features disclosed for now. What I am still hoping for:

- 1 Hardcore Self found only mode
- 1 Hardcore Ladder

And if possible, both together!!!!!!!

We will call it, the manly mode! <3
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Amestir
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2126 Posts
August 23 2013 09:53 GMT
#1102
On August 23 2013 18:28 Kaniol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 18:07 Amestir wrote:
I know DIablo 3 is more about repetition if anything else, but I was really surprised when I found out they where only going to add one more act. I assumed we get 4, just like in D3.

Why would you think that when vanilla D3 was exactly like D2 in act regard (3 long acts and a fourth act quite short), everyone should have noticed the similarity o.o


Except, you know, people who haven't played Diablo 2
We know nothing.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 23 2013 10:50 GMT
#1103
On August 23 2013 13:38 chaos021 wrote:
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On August 23 2013 12:02 Plansix wrote:
I am so glad they are not caving the skill trees. They are the worst thing in Torchlight 2. If I want to change my skills, I do not want to play another 40 hours just to do so.


You can't respec?

There are respec potions, but they are super rare. So players have to go in with a set plan for the class, even if they have never played the class before. It basically punishes you for your first play through. It's not great and I am glad D3 doesn't have that.
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ViperPL
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland1775 Posts
August 23 2013 11:46 GMT
#1104
On August 23 2013 12:02 TheRabidDeer wrote:
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On August 23 2013 11:52 [Crimson]Bason wrote:
On August 23 2013 11:46 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On August 23 2013 11:39 [Crimson]Bason wrote:
On August 23 2013 11:36 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On August 23 2013 11:30 [Crimson]Bason wrote:
On August 23 2013 11:23 SarcasmMonster wrote:
I'm a bit ashamed of this thread. The threads on Reddit were cautiously optimistic whereas this thread is full of vitriol and mud flinging. Redditors is more civil this time around.


its hard to be optimistic when the stuff they showed about the expansion did not address the fundamental flaws of the game. The only thing they will add is a few novelty that will keep the players playing for a few months max. They really have not given us a decisive plan on how to fix the economy, skill/rune system, and itemization.

The new paragon, new dungeons, loot runs seem to add more content but if in the end the rewards are the same old items that made the game dull with just increased dps, stats, cc, cd, ias ... all these additions are just useless. And from the items that were shown at gamescom it really doesnt seem like they have fixed anything at all.


There's good chance cc and cd are getting nerfed to be more inline with other affixes. Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/1ktgv1/crit_nerf_incoming/

Does IAS need fixing? It's a standard affix in Diablo-world. Balance-wise, it's totally fine post nerf.


Just tweaking numbers around skill/rune and stats such as cc, cd, ias does NOT change anything about the dullness of the items and does NOT increase any diversity at all


We have seen a total of like 2 new legendary items and blizzcon is still on the way. The crusader flail looked more interesting with 4% cooldown reduction + chance to pull in and slow enemies. We dont know all of the neat little things they are putting on them that you are complaining about.


the thing is that those are their showcase items at a fairly large gaming conference. you would think they would show inspiring novelties and their new ideas about the future of the game. And YET all they shown at gamescom were so underwhelming. The things you talked about does not change game play or diversity of builds because it wont affect any skills/runes. Thats what most hard core D3 players want: more build diversity and character customization and not just tweaking stat numbers around.


Actually, the flail was not part of their showcase. It was found by a journalist. Others may crop up still too. They took a lot of suggestions from the community for legendary items, so there should be some interesting things on them.

Also, cooldown reduction can create new builds (stack cooldown reduction and have a build that uses high cooldown spells, like a barb running call of the ancients or earthquake). Pulling mobs in can create new builds. Puzzle ring means you might sacrifice some other cool item for the chance of a good rare dropping after so many kills.


Of course they specifically put that flail in there to show some new stuff. The item changes are step in the right direction but it's way too small. I'm guessing they have more in store for us, but they will need a lot of new improvements for me to consider buying this RoS pack. I got fooled by D3 once, and I don't intend to be fooled again.
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Nausea
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden807 Posts
August 23 2013 11:50 GMT
#1105
I will never buy this from Blizzard. If I learned anything from the Diablo 3 hype train before its release, it's that they will blow enormous amounts of smoke up our asses and put a spit-shine on any information released. More cartoon voice overs and cheesy one-liners.

Let's hope they bring Cain back to life for 3 quests before they let a fairydragon one shot him for no good reason at all, it will add to the suspense of things to come.

This is just whine about some basic this gone horribly wrong, not to mention all the other fundamental flaws with items, how damage works, one rune to rule them all etc.


Set it ablaze!
Phenny
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1435 Posts
August 23 2013 14:38 GMT
#1106
fool me once shame on you, fool me twice im a retard

But really, ill wait and if significant enough improvements are made I'll strongly consider getting it.
I'm not sure I can get over d3 having 4 difficulties though, it's just too tedious blasting through the 3 trash difficulties to get to the 'real' game.
kirdie
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany221 Posts
August 23 2013 15:19 GMT
#1107
I am not sure if I will buy the addon, maybe if it is cheap like 30-35 € just to play throught it once with my friends...
Seiniyta
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium1815 Posts
August 23 2013 15:35 GMT
#1108
On August 24 2013 00:19 kirdie wrote:
I am not sure if I will buy the addon, maybe if it is cheap like 30-35 € just to play throught it once with my friends...


Well, that's about the expansion price usually so...
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yandere991
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia394 Posts
August 23 2013 16:24 GMT
#1109
Oh god so this game is getting a expansion. I remember getting this first day and reaching inferno Iz in 4-5 days. Threw my hands up in disgust because of offscreen lockon 1 shot charges, spears that had ridiculous hitboxes, and the itemization was just horrid. I actually played D2 ladder straight after for a month to wash the terrible taste out of my mouth. On the plus side I made 300 from just 5 days work when I sold everything.

Hopefully they changed a lot of that, will considering purchasing if player reviews are glowing.
KiWiKaKi
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada691 Posts
August 23 2013 16:51 GMT
#1110
Hell yea this looks promising with all these cool changes

RIP Jay Wilson
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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
August 23 2013 17:02 GMT
#1111
On August 23 2013 18:48 Douillos wrote:
Pretty happy with the features disclosed for now. What I am still hoping for:

- 1 Hardcore Self found only mode
- 1 Hardcore Ladder

And if possible, both together!!!!!!!

We will call it, the manly mode! <3

i read that they are not interested in making a "self found" mode only; they referred to it as the iron born or something. they said there are lots of niche ways to play the game and they werent going to develop around all of them.

they have been discussing ladder for awhile so there is always hope.
S1eth
Profile Joined November 2011
Austria221 Posts
August 23 2013 17:12 GMT
#1112
On August 23 2013 19:50 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 13:38 chaos021 wrote:
On August 23 2013 12:02 Plansix wrote:
I am so glad they are not caving the skill trees. They are the worst thing in Torchlight 2. If I want to change my skills, I do not want to play another 40 hours just to do so.


You can't respec?

There are respec potions, but they are super rare. So players have to go in with a set plan for the class, even if they have never played the class before. It basically punishes you for your first play through. It's not great and I am glad D3 doesn't have that.


I recently picked up Torchlight 2 and play with 2 friends. We are currently in act 3 with level ~45 or something around that.

I do not like the TL2 skilltree myself either, but it's not punishing at all.
I play an Outlander and I just invested every single point in passives. (more damage and range, more elemental damage, more poison damage, more evasion, more dual wield damage and execution chance)
The only choice I had to make so far was to go for either shotguns, dual wielding or neither. And I went for dual wielding. I would not be screwed either way.
The basic attack from every class is already so powerful you don't even need skills.

What I don't like about the TL2 skilltree is that besides the passives, I don't find any of the skills interesting at all. I don't see why I would even want to spend points in most of them, and why are some skills unlocked so damn late (D3 has the same problem).

How can you ever be screwed with the TL2 skilltree?
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
August 23 2013 17:26 GMT
#1113
On August 23 2013 15:40 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 15:35 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On August 23 2013 15:02 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On August 23 2013 14:36 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On August 23 2013 14:04 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On August 23 2013 13:40 hunts wrote:
On August 23 2013 12:02 Plansix wrote:
I am so glad they are not caving the skill trees. They are the worst thing in Torchlight 2. If I want to change my skills, I do not want to play another 40 hours just to do so.


D2 added in respecs, there's no reason why they wouldn't have them in the game now. Talent trees make the game much more interesting, the current way of having skills is terribly boring.

How is a skill tree different than what you have now? Right now is a skill tree, except you dont need to put points into the useless abilities that you arent going to use anyway.

See Borderlands for a skill tree done well, where every point gives some tangible benefits.

Honestly, either can work just fine. I've played skill slot games that have a good system and I've played skill tree games that have a good system.

D3...well, it's not working in current form.

Borderlands skill tree is there in place of putting it on items. Things similar to armor, health on kill, thorns, life regen, attack speed, or reduced cooldowns/reset cooldowns. A majority of the skill tree is already on items in D3.

Yeah, and some of the skills don't even do anything in Diablo 3. I mean, Bullet Ricochet with no bullets?

But seriously, why are you even comparing the skills 1:1? It was just an example of a Skill Tree done well.

Also, Diablo 3 also has Thorns, Armor, Health on Kill, Life Regen, Attack speed and cooldowns on skills as well...so your point kinda falls hilariously flat.

I am just saying that the skill tree isnt nearly as good or interesting as you make it seem. It is great fun in an FPS just because there really isnt a comparable FPS... though perks in CoD can be similar (and no skill tree!).

The ones in Titan Quest were fairly good as well, from what I remember. Don't remember many, if any, dead skills.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Gentso
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2218 Posts
August 23 2013 18:01 GMT
#1114
Random dungeons, better items, unlimited progression all makes this almost perfect. But then there's the AH which still exists..I know they're trying to eliminate AH dependency with bind on account and better drops, but still skeptical.

Crusader looks awesome visually. Spell effects and style are classic Blizzard.
FosTA
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada154 Posts
August 23 2013 20:26 GMT
#1115
I so can not wait.
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TanKLoveR
Profile Joined August 2008
Venezuela838 Posts
August 23 2013 20:36 GMT
#1116
Blizzard has always been good at showing flashy CGI and "cool looking" game play to get people hyped, hope it's actually good so people who buy this don't get burned again. Sad that the AH is still there though.
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Scrandom
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2819 Posts
August 23 2013 23:29 GMT
#1117
I can see both sides of the skill tree arguement, I personally like them and my reasoning is that I like to have an actual commitment to my character. I understand the negative is that its time consuming, trivial, meaningless etc but I guess I just like actually playing games enough that I'm willing to do those kind of things. Like I said, I like having that commitment.

As for the infinite paragon levels I don't have any problems with that, if someone wants to play enough that they get incredibly strong so be it. It won't affect me.
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
August 24 2013 02:12 GMT
#1118
Some more interviews



sh4w
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States713 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-24 02:41:49
August 24 2013 02:40 GMT
#1119
On August 23 2013 23:38 Phenny wrote:
fool me once shame on you, fool me twice im a retard

But really, ill wait and if significant enough improvements are made I'll strongly consider getting it.
I'm not sure I can get over d3 having 4 difficulties though, it's just too tedious blasting through the 3 trash difficulties to get to the 'real' game.


Coming from someone who was extremely disappointed by Diablo 3, I have heard some really really good things so far about the upcoming expansion. Enough so that I have changed my outlook from "Fuck Diablo 3", to "Let's see what they can do with this"

On August 24 2013 03:01 Gentso wrote:
Random dungeons, better items, unlimited progression all makes this almost perfect. But then there's the AH which still exists..I know they're trying to eliminate AH dependency with bind on account and better drops, but still skeptical.

Crusader looks awesome visually. Spell effects and style are classic Blizzard.


This is about exactly how I'm feeling as of now. I hate the AH
I want to go back to being weird. I like being weird. Weird is all I've got. That and my sweet style.
pedduck
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Thailand468 Posts
August 24 2013 03:16 GMT
#1120
The thing about AH is that, when some dude in china decide to farm some gold, the economy of that server is destroyed...
So I am one of those player who wish there is a server with no AH.
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