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Hairy
United Kingdom1169 Posts
I don't think he's angry, but rather.... incredulous. Saying that "WW is not so good for farming" is equivalent to saying "the sky isn't blue". It's widely accepted to be (by a long shot) the most efficient and best farming build for not only barbarians, but of ANY class. | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
On November 30 2012 01:31 Hairy wrote: I don't think he's angry, but rather.... incredulous. Saying that "WW is not so good for farming" is equivalent to saying "the sky isn't blue". It's widely accepted to be (by a long shot) the most efficient and best farming build for not only barbarians, but of ANY class. using boths with very good gear i still prefer WT by a long shot | ||
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Grovbolle
Denmark3811 Posts
Because you state that WW is not so good for farming, even though it is without a doubt the best way to farm. Which almost everyone agrees on. He merely present to you the facts. | ||
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DODswe4
Sweden2157 Posts
On November 30 2012 01:42 Boonbag wrote: using boths with very good gear i still prefer WT by a long shot preferring is not really the same as best, I personaly dislike ww. its still the fastest and their for the best farm build. Dosnt mean other build wont work | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
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Hairy
United Kingdom1169 Posts
On November 30 2012 01:46 Boonbag wrote: grinding no brain games are serious shit jeez "I don't like the WW sprint build" or "I prefer other builds" or "I don't find the WW build fun" are all understandable things to say, and are simply a matter of opinion. It's like taste in music; no-one is right or wrong, it's just taste. On the other hand, saying that "the WW build isn't good for farming" is your evaluation of a situation that can easily be tested; there really is a right or wrong answer, because build/class xp/drop efficiencies can be directly compared without bias. People pulled you up on your comment because what you said really is wrong, and misinformation is not something that tends to be tolerated in TL. | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
On November 30 2012 02:07 Hairy wrote: "I don't like the WW sprint build" or "I prefer other builds" or "I don't find the WW build fun" are all understandable things to say, and are simply a matter of opinion. It's like taste in music; no-one is right or wrong, it's just taste. On the other hand, saying that "the WW build isn't good for farming" is your evaluation of a situation that can easily be tested; there really is a right or wrong answer, because build/class xp/drop efficiencies can be directly compared without bias. People pulled you up on your comment because what you said really is wrong, and misinformation is not something that tends to be tolerated in TL. Misinformation is all over the site -_- | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On November 29 2012 19:10 jESUIT wrote: Whoever geared you, geared you properly, the mass ias is the perfect route. IAS + cc is way better then CD + cc anyday of the week. I'm not a big fan of Skorn since it's crazzzyyy slow. But if your on a cheaper route it makes sense. IMO w/ the 30m you should either uprade your Amulet or ring. For amulet, aim for same cc + AR + STR / (ias) if u can afford it, but instead of having AR + Poison, u should be stacking Physical resistance, since a barb's dmg comes majority from physical dps...W/ proper LS + ww ticks arcane / poison/molten should never ever be an issue. Thanks. I geared myself since I don' really have any D3 friends anymore, everyone quit. I've been looking at profiles of barbs on here that have high dps or that can do high MP ubers. Is skorn too slow to be viable you think? Or is it vs DW just peferance? After playing around with the calculator I realized the highest tornado breakpoint I could hit is the 1.53 APS one at 15 ticks. Unless I did it wrong, without getting an IAS skorn I can't reach the 1.66 APS one even with perfect IAS gear. Also do you think I should just give up on MF gear and go for best stats and slowly gain the MF back through paragon levels? | ||
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jESUIT
United States151 Posts
On November 30 2012 02:48 hunts wrote: Thanks. I geared myself since I don' really have any D3 friends anymore, everyone quit. I've been looking at profiles of barbs on here that have high dps or that can do high MP ubers. Is skorn too slow to be viable you think? Or is it vs DW just peferance? After playing around with the calculator I realized the highest tornado breakpoint I could hit is the 1.53 APS one at 15 ticks. Unless I did it wrong, without getting an IAS skorn I can't reach the 1.66 APS one even with perfect IAS gear. Also do you think I should just give up on MF gear and go for best stats and slowly gain the MF back through paragon levels? Don't get me wrong Skorn is good, but if you want to reach a much higher dps / better survability, DW is by far the best way to go. Yes you read correctly, Skorn is just a super super super slow weapon to reach a higher tornado proc rate. It will show a decent stat sheet dps, But there is so much better choices to go w/ when you can dual wield. If you wanted to go for a nice Fury w/ socket w/ high dps that would be a great Mainhand or even a Fury w/ just reg base crit chance for a cheaper roll w/ High DPS. Then a really fast OH w/ high dps + socket is ideal. BEcause the .20-25aps+ on the fury affects both the Mainhand / OH attack speed so that also increases ias on both weaps. In my opinion and it's been proven clearly on that thread I provided earlier unless you have the most endgame weapons w/ tons of base ias gear. A simple high dps fury in the mainhand + (mid-high dps)dagger 1.66aps w/ socket is just unbeatable. Of course I recommend getting LS% on both these weapons it's a bit more expensive but totally worth it so you don't have to waste a passive...Majority of barbs love to use the Bloodthirst passive because it's just too expensive to buy 2 weapons w/ LS on it. In my opinion there is just soooo many good passives to pass up. Also as I stated before, the higher breaking points you reach, The more LS% you steal that much faster because your proc'ing more. Also it cost less fury based on your OH aps. More simply easier to keep up WoTB / manage fury. I honestly had 9% LS at one point and my life never even moved, even in MP10 so thats when I started dropping some on my items...now both my weapons have around 2.4-2.6% LS // Ofcourse I still never die and I still dont waste my passive on that Bloodthirst one. | ||
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jESUIT
United States151 Posts
On November 30 2012 02:48 hunts wrote: Thanks. I geared myself since I don' really have any D3 friends anymore, everyone quit. I've been looking at profiles of barbs on here that have high dps or that can do high MP ubers. Is skorn too slow to be viable you think? Or is it vs DW just peferance? After playing around with the calculator I realized the highest tornado breakpoint I could hit is the 1.53 APS one at 15 ticks. Unless I did it wrong, without getting an IAS skorn I can't reach the 1.66 APS one even with perfect IAS gear. Also do you think I should just give up on MF gear and go for best stats and slowly gain the MF back through paragon levels? Sorry didn't see that last part. MF in my opinion isn't that important. You can gain it back very quickly w/ paragon levels. Also if your farming MP0-1 for extremely fast paragon levels, that 100% MF won't help that much. | ||
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jESUIT
United States151 Posts
You're right the misinformation is all over this site, they meant to say "'Trolling' is not something that tends to be tolerated on a thread that is generally here to help people" | ||
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skaeve
Denmark66 Posts
 My budget is around 25m atm, but I might save some up if needed.Profile: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/maze-2895/hero/201478 | ||
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FConnectionUK
United States316 Posts
On November 30 2012 03:15 jESUIT wrote: Don't get me wrong Skorn is good, but if you want to reach a much higher dps / better survability, DW is by far the best way to go. Yes you read correctly, Skorn is just a super super super slow weapon to reach a higher tornado proc rate. It will show a decent stat sheet dps, But there is so much better choices to go w/ when you can dual wield. If you wanted to go for a nice Fury w/ socket w/ high dps that would be a great Mainhand or even a Fury w/ just reg base crit chance for a cheaper roll w/ High DPS. Then a really fast OH w/ high dps + socket is ideal. BEcause the .20-25aps+ on the fury affects both the Mainhand / OH attack speed so that also increases ias on both weaps. In my opinion and it's been proven clearly on that thread I provided earlier unless you have the most endgame weapons w/ tons of base ias gear. A simple high dps fury in the mainhand + (mid-high dps)dagger 1.66aps w/ socket is just unbeatable. Of course I recommend getting LS% on both these weapons it's a bit more expensive but totally worth it so you don't have to waste a passive...Majority of barbs love to use the Bloodthirst passive because it's just too expensive to buy 2 weapons w/ LS on it. In my opinion there is just soooo many good passives to pass up. Also as I stated before, the higher breaking points you reach, The more LS% you steal that much faster because your proc'ing more. Also it cost less fury based on your OH aps. More simply easier to keep up WoTB / manage fury. I honestly had 9% LS at one point and my life never even moved, even in MP10 so thats when I started dropping some on my items...now both my weapons have around 2.4-2.6% LS // Ofcourse I still never die and I still dont waste my passive on that Bloodthirst one. Though your statement is 100% true, I have a different view regarding Skorn. DW is BiS and should be your ultimate goal to get that great EF. No dispute there. However, Skorn is such a great weapon for what its worth. My skorn is worth mere 100-150m and yet I am almost (not quite tho) as efficient as Top end DW barbs. If you're not going to dish out 2b (EF may cost wayyy more) I firmly believe that you'll get the most bang for your buck getting a Skorn instead. From my personal experience, I'd like to mention fury/wotb is non of my concern even with Skorn. I run MP5 for farming, and I just run through mobs once and everything just dies. Only time I need wotb is vs CC elites, and I'll almost always have WOTB ready by then. Hell, recently I've been using Unforgiving and I can even manage to keep WOTB for a very long time. Well what I'm trying to illustrate is that if I wanted to do same amount of dps using DW instead of my Skorn, I better have 2b gold ready. I think I'm getting my gold worth using 100-150m skorn. My profile for reference i guess... http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Iscariot-1538/hero/20922818 | ||
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
Is there any info around about what attack speed you need to effectively keep up fury generation? I'm at 43% as but I don't know if that would be enough. I'd link my profile but it's showing my cain's set, leoric's, and mighty weapon mainhand atm :p | ||
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bruteMax
Canada339 Posts
I wish there wasn't such a noticeable increase in difficulty with Siege+Kulle though; I can only solo them at MP5 and have to switch to S+B to do so. Otherwise I can't see how it would be efficient to switch to a Skorn for the standard dw ww build unless it's for doing something different, which is totally understandable. | ||
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
I see a lot of barbs with echoing fury in their offhand and the butcher's sickle for a mainhand...does that work well? I guess the fear would be ok if you could immediately pull them back to you lol. | ||
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jESUIT
United States151 Posts
On December 04 2012 00:28 Charger wrote: I've been thinking of switching over to skorn recently but I can't decide. I recently got an echoing fury that is ok (1100 dps, 150 str, +.25 aps, socket) with low fear but my god that fear is SOOO annoying, even with a cold soj. Plus the skorn looks so badass :p Is there any info around about what attack speed you need to effectively keep up fury generation? I'm at 43% as but I don't know if that would be enough. I'd link my profile but it's showing my cain's set, leoric's, and mighty weapon mainhand atm :p I have no idea nor can I find anything related to a certain atk speed / cc for proper fury regen, sorry. I guess it would just take some getting used too or experimenting. IMO if your stuck @ ias, increase the cc it might help some since your proc'ing more. But keep in mind, with a faster OH weapon, the fury used is less since your fury spent coordinates w/ your OH atk speed so that's another thing. | ||
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jESUIT
United States151 Posts
On December 03 2012 16:23 FConnectionUK wrote: Though your statement is 100% true, I have a different view regarding Skorn. DW is BiS and should be your ultimate goal to get that great EF. No dispute there. However, Skorn is such a great weapon for what its worth. My skorn is worth mere 100-150m and yet I am almost (not quite tho) as efficient as Top end DW barbs. If you're not going to dish out 2b (EF may cost wayyy more) I firmly believe that you'll get the most bang for your buck getting a Skorn instead. From my personal experience, I'd like to mention fury/wotb is non of my concern even with Skorn. I run MP5 for farming, and I just run through mobs once and everything just dies. Only time I need wotb is vs CC elites, and I'll almost always have WOTB ready by then. Hell, recently I've been using Unforgiving and I can even manage to keep WOTB for a very long time. Well what I'm trying to illustrate is that if I wanted to do same amount of dps using DW instead of my Skorn, I better have 2b gold ready. I think I'm getting my gold worth using 100-150m skorn. My profile for reference i guess... http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Iscariot-1538/hero/20922818 Of course for a cheaper build I would recommend a Skorn any day of the week but it can only get you so far in terms of survability / dps. Also a Skorn w/ LS w/ good DPS is another thing that begins to somewhat pricey as well..Also depending on your atk speed overall....You might have the same paper dps w/ your Skorn, but if you read my article above if someone who was duel wielding has even 50-80k dps less then you...and is 2 break pts ahead of you, they are actually infact doing more dps then you are, regardless of your stat sheet dps claiming you are higher. Since stat sheet dps only reflects Mainhand dps, and your tornado procs reflect your OH atk speed. edit: but you have a buttload of ias so...yeah...the Skorn for 100-150m is cheaper then getting 2 weapons, but I would disagree w/ needed 2b to gather same dps  you could do it easily for under 400m but yes still a huge price difference for same effect. | ||
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jESUIT
United States151 Posts
On December 03 2012 13:07 skaeve wrote: Hey guys. I've done quite a few gear upgrades to my barb lately and I'm not sure what to go for next. I'm thinking IK chest, but my vit is kinda low and an IK chest with high vit is so expensive, so that might not be the smartest choice. I'm also thinking my weaps need upgrades, but they're so hard to find imo. I'm hoping you guys can help me chose what to upgrade next My budget is around 25m atm, but I might save some up if needed.Profile: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/maze-2895/hero/201478 Your at a really hard stage right now w/ somewhat such a low budget, esp since as you stated your vit is EXTREMELY low. I am sure your at the point where you don't want to sacrafice STR either...But in all honesty w/ a budget that low I don't see a way around it. Where as an IK chest is nice in my opinion you don't need it right now, If I were you and your dieying a lot due to super low vit, some new shoulders w/ vit would do you wonders. Might have to drop a lot of str to do it...maybe 4-6k dps. But some decent vile's or even a rare set of shoulders w/ around 100+ vit would be great for you. Which is very feasible w/ only 25m. | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
Best on the internet is great, somewhere near the top of this thread is fine too | ||
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