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LoGikk
19 Posts
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Sylvr
United States524 Posts
On September 02 2012 12:55 LoGikk wrote: Hi everyone, noob here. I have hit a wall in a2. Which item could I improve on? I got about 1m saved up, but I'm not sure what item I should get next. Here's my profile http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/OurThing-1735/hero/25448529. Please help! You're missing a key ability in your build, assuming that's supposed to be WW/Sprint barb. You need Battle Fury with Into The Fray rune to keep your fury up without having to be up in mob's faces. Bash is only for getting fury before a pack so you can get your tornados going, and then between packs on environmental stuff or trash mobs so you can sprint through the level faster. Once you have enough fury to get a sprint off with Battle Fury active, you shouldn't be using Bash at all unless you screw up and run yourself out of fury (with practice, you won't). As for your gear, I notice a distinct lack of Attack Speed except for that little bit on your offhand. Attack speed determines how fast your tornados hit, which affects both your LOH procs, and how many crits you're able to get to generate fury from Into the Fray. I would look into getting a new Amulet with Attack speed and some Crit% (you're at the bare minimum right now). Same with the Gloves. You've got Crit Damage on your gloves and amulet, which is a good stat to have EVENTUALLY, but you need to be able to survive before you worry about damage. If you're working on an extreme budget, and can't afford to just straight add the Attack speed, then you're gonna have to just give up the Crit Damage altogether for it. Also, read back a few pages in this thread and see some of the stuff about play-style and general stats to shoot for. It comes up every half-dozen pages or so. | ||
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Bairemuth
United States404 Posts
On September 02 2012 12:55 LoGikk wrote: Hi everyone, noob here. I have hit a wall in a2. Which item could I improve on? I got about 1m saved up, but I'm not sure what item I should get next. Here's my profile http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/OurThing-1735/hero/25448529. Please help! As Sylvr mentioned, you need some attack speed, but the cheapest way to do this would be to simply find an OH that is a dagger. Even though your current OH has 11% attack speed, it's only attacking 1.33 attacks per second whereas a dagger will attack 1.5 without additional attack speed. Once you change out your OH, I'd recommend to begin picking up extra crit rather than attack speed. Crit is simply more cost effective in my opinion. You can find a cheap ammy with 8% crit with some str/vit that will be a huge upgrade over your current ammy. After that, upgrades will become more expensive. One thing to note is that you have plenty of vitality at this point. Your focus should be on mitigration (armor / resist) and damage (crit / strength). As far as actual crit damage is concerned, that should be your lowest priority at this point. I know this advice is a little scattered, but hope it helps! Edit: You should change Tough as Nails to Nerves of Steel as you will gain more armor! | ||
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LoGikk
19 Posts
On September 02 2012 13:37 Sylvr wrote: You're missing a key ability in your build, assuming that's supposed to be WW/Sprint barb. You need Battle Fury with Into The Fray rune to keep your fury up without having to be up in mob's faces. Bash is only for getting fury before a pack so you can get your tornados going, and then between packs on environmental stuff or trash mobs so you can sprint through the level faster. Once you have enough fury to get a sprint off with Battle Fury active, you shouldn't be using Bash at all unless you screw up and run yourself out of fury (with practice, you won't). As for your gear, I notice a distinct lack of Attack Speed except for that little bit on your offhand. Attack speed determines how fast your tornados hit, which affects both your LOH procs, and how many crits you're able to get to generate fury from Into the Fray. I would look into getting a new Amulet with Attack speed and some Crit% (you're at the bare minimum right now). Same with the Gloves. You've got Crit Damage on your gloves and amulet, which is a good stat to have EVENTUALLY, but you need to be able to survive before you worry about damage. If you're working on an extreme budget, and can't afford to just straight add the Attack speed, then you're gonna have to just give up the Crit Damage altogether for it. Also, read back a few pages in this thread and see some of the stuff about play-style and general stats to shoot for. It comes up every half-dozen pages or so. Holy Crap!! I just started using battle rage, and I'm cruising thru a2! Thanks a lot! | ||
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Grovbolle
Denmark3805 Posts
Trying to get this guy regeared as a WW barb, any help as to what I need gearwise is appreciated (don't mind the skillsetup, was tanking and dicking around) | ||
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Kamais Ookin
Canada591 Posts
 I've been following this page and want to do the WW/Sprint build with a strong frenzy if possible as being discussed by LoGikk. I've put in 110 hours and havn't gotten a single legendary or set item and this is 1000% different than D2 where I was really rich so I'm feeling discouraged. This is my profile: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/KamaisOokin-1571/hero/3695383 Keep in mind I was a tank barb so that's why I have a lot of resistance and decent health amount - I switched all my skills to mirror a WW/Sprint build just now. I have a few million gold to work with so I'm not rich, would like to start with the most cheapest/important thing first and work my way up, I appreciate any help possible cause I know nothing about this build but people say its strong and quite frankly I quit D3 back when barbs were shit in the beginning so I'm surprised to find out they're viable now.  Would like to know what to aim for in CC % chance from items, CC+ damage from items, Strength total from all items, vitality total from all items - all resist from all items - +attack speed from all items. Thanks a ton!! | ||
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Big G
Italy835 Posts
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BigG-2621/hero/412709 speedytankbarb or something like that.  Bash - Onslaught: high single target dps, high and necessary fury generation. Always hated frenzy. Rend - Bloodlust: high dps AoE and life steal Sprint - Marathon: high speed = high efficiency! Also very useful for chasing a lot of tedious act III mobs War Cry - Impunity: you know why Leap - Iron Impact: mobility, survivability and fury generation. I have to try Threatening Shout though, pros & cons for both. WOTB - Insanity: pretty self explanatory, can't live without this in act III. Battle Rage for act II. Passives: standard setup I guess. Weapons Master in act II. 65k dps unbuffed, 700-750 allres unbuffed, almost 150% mf on gear. | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
On September 02 2012 18:31 Grovbolle wrote: BigAxeGuy Trying to get this guy regeared as a WW barb, any help as to what I need gearwise is appreciated (don't mind the skillsetup, was tanking and dicking around) Go for Ace/Dagger as weapons, ~25 % Crit from items, and around ~1.2k+ LoH. On September 02 2012 18:49 Kamais Ookin wrote: Please help guys. I've been following this page and want to do the WW/Sprint build with a strong frenzy if possible as being discussed by LoGikk. I've put in 110 hours and havn't gotten a single legendary or set item and this is 1000% different than D2 where I was really rich so I'm feeling discouraged. This is my profile: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/KamaisOokin-1571/hero/3695383 Keep in mind I was a tank barb so that's why I have a lot of resistance and decent health amount - I switched all my skills to mirror a WW/Sprint build just now. I have a few million gold to work with so I'm not rich, would like to start with the most cheapest/important thing first and work my way up, I appreciate any help possible cause I know nothing about this build but people say its strong and quite frankly I quit D3 back when barbs were shit in the beginning so I'm surprised to find out they're viable now. Would like to know what to aim for in CC % chance from items, CC+ damage from items, Strength total from all items, vitality total from all items - all resist from all items - +attack speed from all items. Thanks a ton!! First of all you have to get the critchance up (~25% from items)! You shouldn't think about critdmg and strength right now, the more the better, but thats endgame stuff. You can drop some allres (to 500-550 unbuffed I'd say is perfectly fine) and shuold aim for ~1.2k+ LoH. 40-45k health is fine as well as 6k armor. On September 02 2012 23:28 Big G wrote: New gear & build! http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BigG-2621/hero/412709 speedytankbarb or something like that. Bash - Onslaught: high single target dps, high and necessary fury generation. Always hated frenzy. Rend - Bloodlust: high dps AoE and life steal Sprint - Marathon: high speed = high efficiency! Also very useful for chasing a lot of tedious act III mobs War Cry - Impunity: you know why Leap - Iron Impact: mobility, survivability and fury generation. I have to try Threatening Shout though, pros & cons for both. WOTB - Insanity: pretty self explanatory, can't live without this in act III. Battle Rage for act II. Passives: standard setup I guess. Weapons Master in act II. 65k dps unbuffed, 700-750 allres unbuffed, almost 150% mf on gear. I get the tanking idea, but don't you want a 2h weapon with Rend? You get more life and do a shitton more dmg with it. With all the stats 2H weapons can spawn with your survivability shouldn't drop significantly, but your dmg should get much higher. | ||
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Big G
Italy835 Posts
On September 03 2012 00:11 CruelZeratul wrote: I get the tanking idea, but don't you want a 2h weapon with Rend? You get more life and do a shitton more dmg with it. With all the stats 2H weapons can spawn with your survivability shouldn't drop significantly, but your dmg should get much higher. No, the shield in itself gives me a lot of survivability (armor, str, vit, resist, life regen and a bit of block) AND almost 10k dps. It's mainly a stat stick. 2H is viable only with a godly weapon and crit chance on helm and bracers to compensate the 10% I have on the shield, which is impossible right now because of mf gear. It's a looong term switch, Paragon lv40-50 or something like that (lv19 atm). A "good" 2H is useless, I can reach maybe 80k dps?, which is not so far away with the current gear and some build adjustment ( 72k+ dps with weapon master) that I can afford exactly because of decent survivability. | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
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Straxis
85 Posts
the problem i have is that i cant get better gear than what i have. http://us.battle.net/d3/es/profile/Kronos-1233/hero/4713789 look my gloves, my shoulders, my boots, my pants, my bracers, my belt, a lot of all resist, (i have an armor with 60 resit to all but this one gives me more life.. so i change them frecuently) i have 4 weapons, those 2 and 2 daggers, 1 with strenght and vit and a socket and one with like 638 LoH but no socket. i dont see what else i need to keep advancing, i can advanze easily if im in WoTB mode but even in that mode most of the elites kill me so easily... Any advice? I catn get better equip because im super poor i only have 200k, so i really dont know what to do Please help | ||
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Big G
Italy835 Posts
On September 03 2012 01:59 CruelZeratul wrote: I don't really know the mechanics of this game well, but I thought having a weapon with higher dmg should greatly improve Rend, even though the displayed dps number on your character sheet might be lower. And aside from that, can bleeding aka Rend crit anyway? Yes it can crit, and yes, slower weapons with higher base damage produce higher damage output with Rend BUT they generate fury at a slower pace - which is significant with my style that sometimes is like "hit & run" against the biggest and/or baddest packs (Leap in, bash a couple times, provoke ice/arcane sentry/pools, Rend, Sprint away and repeat). Anyway, as I said it really isn't a problem since I need a godly 2H to outperform my current setup. It is something I plan to do in some weeks I guess, when I reach enough Paragon mf to drop my current mf gear and improve crit chance and general survivability. | ||
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Kamais Ookin
Canada591 Posts
I forgot to ask - should I use two 1-handed weapons, 1 weapon 1 shield, or a 2h weapon for WW/Sprint - Frenzy build? | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
On September 03 2012 02:49 Straxis wrote: Ok im starting to get angry, you helped me (thanks a lot, i finished act 2 :D) but in act 3... the problem i have is that i cant get better gear than what i have. http://us.battle.net/d3/es/profile/Kronos-1233/hero/4713789 look my gloves, my shoulders, my boots, my pants, my bracers, my belt, a lot of all resist, (i have an armor with 60 resit to all but this one gives me more life.. so i change them frecuently) i have 4 weapons, those 2 and 2 daggers, 1 with strenght and vit and a socket and one with like 638 LoH but no socket. i dont see what else i need to keep advancing, i can advanze easily if im in WoTB mode but even in that mode most of the elites kill me so easily... Any advice? I catn get better equip because im super poor i only have 200k, so i really dont know what to do Please help Your defense looks good enough, but your damage and especially your build seem to be lacking. You've got two skills with giant cooldowns which are therefore useless most of the time and Whirwind which you can't keep up with that build (and on its own is pretty inefficient I think). Try a Rend build, you should find one ofthose yourself. It basically does huge amounts of damage over time and provides healing. In addition your build can be very flexible. I'd also suggest Thoug as Nails instead of Ruthless, your critchance is irrelevant anyway. On September 03 2012 04:42 Kamais Ookin wrote: @CruelZeratul Thanks a lot! I forgot to ask - should I use two 1-handed weapons, 1 weapon 1 shield, or a 2h weapon for WW/Sprint - Frenzy build? You should use two 1-handed weapons, because Tornados from Sprint (and Whirlwind I guess) hit more often, so you get more dmg in, get more life through LoH, get more Crits->more Fury to keep spamming Sprint. | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
Seems like the weakness of the build is kite mobs, and with all the attack speed you have you can just stun-lock those little buggers. | ||
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Mithhaike
Singapore2759 Posts
On September 03 2012 14:48 Novalisk wrote: Thoughts on Clobber rune for Bash on the WW build? Seems like the weakness of the build is kite mobs, and with all the attack speed you have you can just stun-lock those little buggers. Actually you might as well go for more dps. Onslaught is the best rune for Bash imo. It can crit 3times(more chance to activate battle rage into the fray) and has very good DPS. It also removes knockback which is extremely annoying as a WW/Sprint barb. | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
On September 03 2012 17:35 Mithhaike wrote: Actually you might as well go for more dps. Onslaught is the best rune for Bash imo. It can crit 3times(more chance to activate battle rage into the fray) and has very good DPS. It also removes knockback which is extremely annoying as a WW/Sprint barb. I was thinking that, but the proc coefficient of Onslaught is 33/33/33 instead of 100 for regular bash, and AFAIK the proc coefficient also affects the fury gain from ITF? Even if it doesn't, the fury gain from the current bash is more than enough to keep WOTB up with solid attack speeds. More damage is definitely nice though, but I find that the stun can be just as helpful for taking down kiting mobs. The mitigation isn't half bad either. | ||
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Nallen
United Kingdom134 Posts
On September 03 2012 02:49 Straxis wrote: Ok im starting to get angry, you helped me (thanks a lot, i finished act 2 :D) but in act 3... the problem i have is that i cant get better gear than what i have. http://us.battle.net/d3/es/profile/Kronos-1233/hero/4713789 look my gloves, my shoulders, my boots, my pants, my bracers, my belt, a lot of all resist, (i have an armor with 60 resit to all but this one gives me more life.. so i change them frecuently) i have 4 weapons, those 2 and 2 daggers, 1 with strenght and vit and a socket and one with like 638 LoH but no socket. i dont see what else i need to keep advancing, i can advanze easily if im in WoTB mode but even in that mode most of the elites kill me so easily... Any advice? I catn get better equip because im super poor i only have 200k, so i really dont know what to do Please help Well you can make the suggested build changes and of course farm to make money for upgrades. Everyone can farm. Also I'm no barb expert but could you not get a shield and a bigger HP pool if you're getting killed very quickly? | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#adURkP!bYZ!aZbYcc | ||
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themcking
Germany23 Posts
DPS: 37,623.03 Attacks per Second: 1.61 Critical Hit Chance: 38% Critical Hit Damage: 276% Strength: 1,626 Dexterity: 465 Intelligence: 160 Vitality: 1,126 Magic Find: 54% Gold Find: 47% Maximum Life: 42,860.88 Total Life Bonus: 8% Life per Second: 0 Life Steal: 3% Life per Kill: 0 Life per Hit: 754 Health Globe Healing Bonus: 0 Bonus to Gold/Globe Radius: 0 EHP: 529,847.3 EHP w/ Dodge: 655,143.5 What should I upgrade next? I still get killed when I try to kill normal mobs in act 3. | ||
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