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Barbarians are screwed at 60 in Inferno. Every other class can actually farm elites and nef stacks for better gear in Act 2+ solo, it is literally impossible to do so on a Barb.
In normal and nightmare, you can basically do whatever spec you like and still get by with some intelligence (as solo or in groups). In Hell, leveling in groups becomes somewhat easier if you go 1h+shield tanking (and swapping to full dps for boss fights). Inferno... is ridiculous.
Even in the best defensive gear available, you still get 2 shot by elite mobs. Barbarians are required to be in melee range to do any sort of damage and even with perfect kiting and damaging during AOE stuns (and corpse running back to your body hundreds of times), it's still ridiculous to kill packs. Barbarians will take 2x+ as long to kill these packs as any other class as well.
If you want to save your time and be effective at this game, the best choice is to re-roll.
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Hi! Im currently at ACT 4 Hell tanking as a barb. I can say that my group has been able to down at least 70% of the champion mobs so far, and that it is no fluke. I think the key is survivability and strong single target DPS for the party. As a barb i tank i deal alot of AOE dps. Also, a large part of my survivability relies on life stealing and mitigation to buy time for my dps. There is sort of a "rotation going on". This is my build:
Frenzy / Smite (stun)
Revenge / Provocation (30% proc)
Wrath of the Berserker / Striding Giant (dodge)
Leap / Death from above (stun)
Overpower / Crushing advance (30% reflect)
War Cry / Veteran's warning (dodge)
Passive:
Relentless
Nerves of steel
Juggernaut
Revenge is 5% life leach of your total health per target hit, so as a tank you need LOTS of health so that the 5% x N is alot. I am at 50K hp so far with 3k armor? And during frozen mobs i actually heal life coz Juggernaut + my super high hp as good chance to out heal ice dmg, many times i got to full life coz i ran to 5++ ice globes. Alot of the skills just buy time for revenge to proc and mitigate dmg as well, while ur dpsers kill them asap. SO yea out heal the dmg that u take.
COmments?
But im not sure if it will work in Hell Act 4. But in Hell act 3 i just leap into tons of mobs and tank em all.
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guys, you seriously need to just try out a monk. jesus i'm just face rolling everything so far in NM, dodge tanking bosses and downing them 3x as fast as i was on my barb.
love my barb but so far..this is just...wat? mobs? dead mobs?
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On May 21 2012 05:40 trancey wrote:
Barbarians are screwed at 60 in Inferno. Every other class can actually farm elites and nef stacks for better gear in Act 2+ solo, it is literally impossible to do so on a Barb.
In normal and nightmare, you can basically do whatever spec you like and still get by with some intelligence (as solo or in groups). In Hell, leveling in groups becomes somewhat easier if you go 1h+shield tanking (and swapping to full dps for boss fights). Inferno... is ridiculous.
Even in the best defensive gear available, you still get 2 shot by elite mobs. Barbarians are required to be in melee range to do any sort of damage and even with perfect kiting and damaging during AOE stuns (and corpse running back to your body hundreds of times), it's still ridiculous to kill packs. Barbarians will take 2x+ as long to kill these packs as any other class as well.
If you want to save your time and be effective at this game, the best choice is to re-roll.
Ya I was just feeling like this so I came to a thread to check out what other people are thinking. Honestly I think I'm done with Barb, they have to melee to be effective, and no matter what your defense / HP is, you will die in 2-3 hits from good mobs. So it's basically helpless. I'm gonna just play a dif character but I don't know what to play yet... any suggestions for what is best for Inferno?
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On May 21 2012 05:40 trancey wrote:
Barbarians are screwed at 60 in Inferno. Every other class can actually farm elites and nef stacks for better gear in Act 2+ solo, it is literally impossible to do so on a Barb.
In normal and nightmare, you can basically do whatever spec you like and still get by with some intelligence (as solo or in groups). In Hell, leveling in groups becomes somewhat easier if you go 1h+shield tanking (and swapping to full dps for boss fights). Inferno... is ridiculous.
Even in the best defensive gear available, you still get 2 shot by elite mobs. Barbarians are required to be in melee range to do any sort of damage and even with perfect kiting and damaging during AOE stuns (and corpse running back to your body hundreds of times), it's still ridiculous to kill packs. Barbarians will take 2x+ as long to kill these packs as any other class as well.
If you want to save your time and be effective at this game, the best choice is to re-roll.
What about the monk? He's melee too
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Mods need to moderate for balance whining.
I don't want this thread to sound like a damn SC2 thread, and that's exactly what it sounds like for the last 2 pages with people complaining that Barb is hopeless. Either post something productive or just don't post at all.
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Agreed. Game's been out for less than a week and people are already calling it quits, sad.
I like the design of the Barb. I want to find the most effective way for it to work. Hence this thread.  Thank you all for your useful information thus far.
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On May 21 2012 06:19 TheYango wrote:
Mods need to moderate for balance whining.
I don't want this thread to sound like a damn SC2 thread, and that's exactly what it sounds like for the last 2 pages with people complaining that Barb is hopeless. Either post something productive or just don't post at all.
Hmm, im not sure about solo play, but group play in Inferno is ok for Barb so far.
Of course, that entails taking on a 100% tanking role, and mostly disable stuff and keep their attention for your DPS to kill (a Wiz, in my case). Ignore Pain should keep you alive for 5-7 seconds (depending on which rune u decide to use), Stomp should give a few more seconds.. After that, it's a healthy dosage of kiting and/or whatever (preferably with your team helping you slow/stun mobs) while trying to damage them.
It depends on the mob in question, obviously, but you need the right pack of champion to 2-shot a tanking Barb.. Not all of them can do it
Oh, and Threating Shout is a good means to keep your damage intake down too, imho.
Though, i would have been happier if us Barbarians can play DPS in Hell as well. As it stands, the only viable way to play as Barb in Inferno is Sword/Board tank  .
Edit: Of course, Pound of Flesh + Battle Rage (Swords to Ploughshare) is the best means for healing (better yet, party-healing) a Barb can get. I would get Hammer of the Ancient (Birthright) too, but there just isn't enough skill slot T_T
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On May 21 2012 06:19 TheYango wrote:
Mods need to moderate for balance whining.
I don't want this thread to sound like a damn SC2 thread, and that's exactly what it sounds like for the last 2 pages with people complaining that Barb is hopeless. Either post something productive or just don't post at all.
My post wasn't intended to be complaining, but isn't it my job as a player of the game to find the most effective way to play the game successfully? I've spent over a million gold on gear, and I literally can't even fight the monsters. If I engage I'm dead, my only choice is to engage cuz I'm melee. So I don't really know what else to do than switch characters? It's not like SC2 where you can say "just practice and get better", I already have good gear, I already tried all skill combos, what option do you have when ur dying in 2 hits? Getting an extra 5K HP isn't even going to help, you'll die in 2.7 seconds instead of 2.2.
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On May 21 2012 06:19 TheYango wrote:
Mods need to moderate for balance whining.
I don't want this thread to sound like a damn SC2 thread, and that's exactly what it sounds like for the last 2 pages with people complaining that Barb is hopeless. Either post something productive or just don't post at all.
This isn't SC2. The balance issues are far more obvious.
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On May 21 2012 06:48 KillerSOS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 06:19 TheYango wrote:
Mods need to moderate for balance whining.
I don't want this thread to sound like a damn SC2 thread, and that's exactly what it sounds like for the last 2 pages with people complaining that Barb is hopeless. Either post something productive or just don't post at all. This isn't SC2. The balance issues are far more obvious.
Then we don't need to whine about them in a class discussion thread for Blizzard to see them and fix them. There will be enough bitching on the Battle.net forums.
Either contribute something productive or GTFO.
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On May 21 2012 06:51 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 06:48 KillerSOS wrote:On May 21 2012 06:19 TheYango wrote:
Mods need to moderate for balance whining.
I don't want this thread to sound like a damn SC2 thread, and that's exactly what it sounds like for the last 2 pages with people complaining that Barb is hopeless. Either post something productive or just don't post at all. This isn't SC2. The balance issues are far more obvious. Then we don't need to whine about them in a class discussion thread for Blizzard to see them and fix them. There will be enough bitching on the Battle.net forums. Either contribute something productive or GTFO.
How have you made it to 8k posts while being so blatantly rude?
Your QQ QQing serves the same purpose as ours.
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On May 21 2012 06:51 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 06:48 KillerSOS wrote:On May 21 2012 06:19 TheYango wrote:
Mods need to moderate for balance whining.
I don't want this thread to sound like a damn SC2 thread, and that's exactly what it sounds like for the last 2 pages with people complaining that Barb is hopeless. Either post something productive or just don't post at all. This isn't SC2. The balance issues are far more obvious. Then we don't need to whine about them in a class discussion thread for Blizzard to see them and fix them. There will be enough bitching on the Battle.net forums. Either contribute something productive or GTFO.
Well this is ironic....
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On May 21 2012 06:51 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 06:48 KillerSOS wrote:On May 21 2012 06:19 TheYango wrote:
Mods need to moderate for balance whining.
I don't want this thread to sound like a damn SC2 thread, and that's exactly what it sounds like for the last 2 pages with people complaining that Barb is hopeless. Either post something productive or just don't post at all. This isn't SC2. The balance issues are far more obvious. Then we don't need to whine about them in a class discussion thread for Blizzard to see them and fix them. There will be enough bitching on the Battle.net forums. Either contribute something productive or GTFO.
There is nothing to discuss as we can't progress any further while other classes can.
It's a barbarian thread, let's discuss what class we should reroll to once we hit the act 2 inferno brick wall?
I'll GTFO to some other class thread and leave the quality content posts to you sir.
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well it's sad... that we're forced to tank in hell onwards. Only one viable skill build, all the other fancy shits will make you die.
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I don't think that's true at all. You can't run a 100% dps build but assuming you have a few things defense oriented you should be fine to charge in and dps in hell.
Inferno on the other hand... I have to agree with all the doom and gloom. Even with every defensive skill and mass stacking hp/armour you simply can not take hits from things. I spent 600K on upgrades yesterday and it made probably 5% difference. For our class to be viable I probably need to be around 100% more tanky. And even then I'm pretty sure you'd only ever use the tankiest spec. RIP fun builds.
So what's everyone re-rolling? I'm thinking Wiz =).
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Hi Again,
here is the build I've used basically all day today to do 5 stack neph -> warden -> butcher runs.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#bZXVkY!beV!YZaccZ
It's little variations off my last build.
Abilities:
Cleave (Board Sweep)
Hammer of the Ancients (Smash)
Leap (Iron Impact)
Revenge (Provocation)
War Cry (Impunity)
Ground Stomp (Wrenching Smash)
Passives:
Nevers of Steel
Superstition
Tough as Nails
This isn't the fastest build and I've had at least 2 elite packs enrage on me (I still killed them) but you have to go out of your way to die. I only skipped 2 packs running this build so I can handle almost everything. You have to play smart ie dont stun when iron impact is up etc., use your abilities to their fullest. Stun -> dps -> leap -> dps -> etc., don't overlap. Also where there are non elites, pull as much as you phsyically can. The more the better, you cannot die to normal mobs, it's damn near impossible. The more that hits you the better you'll heal and the more DPS you will do. PULL IT ALL!
I'm not sure if I could dps the warden down fast enough with this build so I've been calling in a DH friend to own him for me.
Anyway, goodluck barbs.
As far as everyone crying about barbarian, yes we are weaker to solo, yes endgame monks may infact tank better, but this is how it goes as a melee class. I challenge any of you to roll an untwinked barb in d2 and beat hell. You're going to be fucked for a long time. We need gear, we are the most gear dependant class in the game and at this stage of D3 we just don't have the tools yet. I would wager though in 2-3 months there will be enough gear that you could probably DPS spec solo inferno. I know my ultimate goal is a nostalgic frenzy build with as much life leech as possible, leech or die.
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Personally I can do all of hell solo no probs.however inferno is a wall that is not possible to crack with barb yet....at least the gear is not ready yet.
Every time I play my barb,the only question in my mind is who the hell will play 2handers because right now,it's not viable whatsoever in hell and above.all the 2hander designs are just pointless!
I also suffer frm a severe case of class envy.5k hp wizard solo inferno? Wtf. DH with smokes? Monks with massive dodge n heals? Their dodge comes along with pumping dmg too? WD with summons/crowd control turning things into chickens?
Time to reroll a new character for now.barb just can't compete with what gear is available right now.
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I don't understand. Are you suppose to get lucky on the affixes? I find that I still get destroyed by most combinations simply because they run away or just impossible? -__-
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