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niTsEn
Germany86 Posts
I never really looked into building my wizard proper. I just bought what I thought would help me. At the moment I can do A2 pretty good. Only 1 to 2 deaths in each run. But I feel like I hit with A3 just a brick wall. I can't even get past the few minions without death. What would your suggestions be? Oh and the money question. I pretty much have no gold since I never got a drop that was worth more than 200k. Oh and the profile herehttp://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/HandySen-2794/hero/814785 | ||
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Saltydizzle
United States123 Posts
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deducter
United States80 Posts
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/deducter-1737/hero/1003912 I picked up the spear for 11m and the Triumvirate for 4m and found the SOJ myself. It's an unusual setup. The extra elite damage is very noticeable. I burn down most A3 elite groups in about 5s despite only having 92k dps. I still do a lot of damage with disintegrate and I can cast it for quite a while due to low APS and the ring + source giving extra AP. I have nearly max mf with this setup. I still need some practice with this build, I died like 10 times farming all of A3. The biggest problem are still the phasebeasts. Helm cost a pretty penny... 70m. Edit: I also do a surprising amount of damage outside of archon mode. If I can dps full time, it takes about 10s to kill a group. Of course depending on the affixes, it's rarely possible to achieve that ideal. | ||
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alQahira
United States511 Posts
On September 12 2012 04:12 niTsEn wrote: Hi there, I never really looked into building my wizard proper. I just bought what I thought would help me. At the moment I can do A2 pretty good. Only 1 to 2 deaths in each run. But I feel like I hit with A3 just a brick wall. I can't even get past the few minions without death. What would your suggestions be? Oh and the money question. I pretty much have no gold since I never got a drop that was worth more than 200k. Oh and the profile herehttp://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/HandySen-2794/hero/814785 | ||
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Warmonger
United States69 Posts
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xrayEU
Sweden571 Posts
On September 11 2012 18:51 PandaCore wrote: With that weapon you're really asking for a Triumvirate. Since your weapon has physical damage you will get the whole benefits from the Adds +% to <Elemental> Damage. I sniped mine for 23M from the EU AH -> http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/PandaCore-1864/hero/4941341 (if you want to take a look at it) Does triumvirate elemental damage add up on the character DPS screen or does it just add additional x% damage on each spell casted? | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2700 Posts
On September 12 2012 01:29 ximae wrote: man 30 k life is enough for all inferno, as long as ur resistances and armour are in check that is. i have been rolling a3 for ever with just 30k, but i dont lower it either just play around with spare gear to compensate the stats depending on what im doing. i like to stay at around 7-8k armour 750-900 resists (depending on what build im using) and 30k life. I also find having lower hp and higher mitigation is better when u have some nice life sustain (reg, loh or life steal). Ender: for the cm build to work best in act3 u need first of good resistances and armour, coz ur gona be face tanking in a puddle of lava, poison,etc, the obvious high crit chance and for me the most important: at least 2 slots of ap on crit! I roll with 20 ap on crit, the more ap u get back the more twisters u can spawn which give u back more ap and reduce the cool downs even more letting u spam ur abilities a ton, ur like a fucking mascleta when ur doing it right. and if u can get loh or life steal with ur golden, coz ull be going back to full life whene ever ur on ds, which is like always. first priority is getting at least the first 3 twisters out so they stat doing their thing at the highest proc rate, once u start getting all the ap back u can start spamming the eb, it is important that u have the ap to be throwing twisters all the time and have left some spare for the eb. no twisters means no cool down reduction and no more ap for more twisters which usually results in death if ur in the middle of 30 monsters. On September 11 2012 18:51 PandaCore wrote: When I read through your description I thought that you shouldn't have any problems in A3. You have close to the same stats as me, but more life regen and I don't have life steal and less crit%, also I don't use blur... then I looked at your profile and you really have very little life. I have almost twice your life and rarely die in A3, so maybe you should try to add some more HP, especially since with the nova build you have to get quite close to the fray. Also as usual, you can probably get a higher DPS weapon for a reasonable price by now. Apart from that you could just play Archon or another ranged build and avoid more incoming damage by dodging/kiting. I've linked my profile in the reply above for reference what build I currently use (not really thought out build, but still works finde for me in A3). Thanks a lot for your help. I changed my gloves, belt and bracers to gain more vit and res and now i'm rolling with 33k HP, having no problems with most of the act  .Phase beast packs with damage reflect are a breeze now, but I die quite a few times to packs of elites that shoot and run away (sucubii, the fallen mages, etc.) when they get stuff like molten, nightmarish and knockback. Do you guys have any particular strategies against these guys? Also, I'm using stormchaser on the twisters because I read that the proc rate is doubled, but I'm running with 47% cc. Do you guys think the twisters that don't move around are worth it in this case? | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2700 Posts
On September 12 2012 06:50 alQahira wrote: At that gear level I think you can improve your dps significantly by going to a 2 hander. It will require some changing of other gear as well since in order to make it worth it you need a higher crit chance, but there are 1100 DPS 2 handers with over 200 int and lots of crit damage (either alone or with socket) available for around a million, at least on the US server, and they would be a big dps increase over what you have now. I agree, when you're poor, you can get the same dps as a 1hander+source for about a fifth or tenth of the price. Also, if the rest of your gear isn't great, grab a 2 handed mace with over 5% life steal and make sure to get illusionist plus the teletransport with calamity (that's 265% weapon damage! I was critting for around -400k at one point, which healed me for around 10-20k per transport depending on enemies hit). Arcane orb builds (use astral presence and tap the source) work very well with 2handers. | ||
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PandaCore
Germany553 Posts
On September 13 2012 15:12 xrayEU wrote: Does triumvirate elemental damage add up on the character DPS screen or does it just add additional x% damage on each spell casted? It adds up to the DPS. If you use a non-elemental weapon (just +Min/+Max Physical Damage), you will get the whole 15-18% DPS increase. If you use an elemental weapon of some sort the increase is way less. Friend of mine has Chantodo's Force with about the same +min/max damage as my Triumvirate, but it has more Crit%, Attack Speed% and more Int, yet he would do more damage with my Triumvirate | ||
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xrayEU
Sweden571 Posts
On September 13 2012 18:54 PandaCore wrote: It adds up to the DPS. If you use a non-elemental weapon (just +Min/+Max Physical Damage), you will get the whole 15-18% DPS increase. If you use an elemental weapon of some sort the increase is way less. Friend of mine has Chantodo's Force with about the same +min/max damage as my Triumvirate, but it has more Crit% and Attack Speed%, yet he would do more damage with my Triumvirate I took your advice and bought a Triumvirate since I have a non elemental weapon and the DPS increased with about 11k. Feels like it was a really good investment! Thanks for the advice  | ||
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Silahsor
Turkey59 Posts
On September 13 2012 18:54 PandaCore wrote: It adds up to the DPS. If you use a non-elemental weapon (just +Min/+Max Physical Damage), you will get the whole 15-18% DPS increase. If you use an elemental weapon of some sort the increase is way less. Friend of mine has Chantodo's Force with about the same +min/max damage as my Triumvirate, but it has more Crit%, Attack Speed% and more Int, yet he would do more damage with my Triumvirate Wow, then I need one of those badly. I have a 1,100 DPS socketed weapon w/o any sort of elemental damage. Cannot resist +15% DPS. | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On September 13 2012 22:01 Silahsor wrote: Wow, then I need one of those badly. I have a 1,100 DPS socketed weapon w/o any sort of elemental damage. Cannot resist +15% DPS. It's just so tough to find one with ~70-350+ dmg *AND* apoc for under ~100M. Seems like you either need to opt for way lower base dmg, or opt out of having apoc (which is a huge no-no for a lot of people including me). I'm still waiting until I can grab one with apoc + solid base dmg for a reasonable price...should boost me up to near 150K DPS or so. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Alesso-1854/hero/2945079 Does anyone who has messed around with triumvirates know just how big of a difference the base dmg makes? For 'normal' non-dmg% adding sources, the base dmg is the most influencing factor. But with triumvirate, would I still gain a lot of DPS by getting, say, a ~50-200 base DPS triumvirate (with apoc)? | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
On September 13 2012 23:50 FallDownMarigold wrote: It's just so tough to find one with ~70-350+ dmg *AND* apoc for under ~100M. Seems like you either need to opt for way lower base dmg, or opt out of having apoc (which is a huge no-no for a lot of people including me). I'm still waiting until I can grab one with apoc + solid base dmg for a reasonable price...should boost me up to near 150K DPS or so. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Alesso-1854/hero/2945079 Does anyone who has messed around with triumvirates know just how big of a difference the base dmg makes? For 'normal' non-dmg% adding sources, the base dmg is the most influencing factor. But with triumvirate, would I still gain a lot of DPS by getting, say, a ~50-200 base DPS triumvirate (with apoc)? should be easy to calculate. say we have a weapon with 600 min and 1100 max damage. a 50-200 triumvirate would increase this to 650-1300. thats an average damage of 975, multiplied by the weapon speed, but the weapon speed plays no role when comparing two sources with fixed weapon. this damage gets increased by say 15% from triumvirate, yielding 975*1.15 = 1121.25 dps. a source with 100-350 damage, but no 15% bonus, would yield a weapon damage of 700-1450, for an average of 1075. so here triumvirate wins. you can do the same calculation with your own personal weapon. in general, the higher the raw damage numbers on the weapon, the smaller the effect of missing out damage from the source. in the above example, the triumvirate wins over the higher base dam source. if the weapon would have 300-800 damage, then the rare source would beat the triumvirate. | ||
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ximae
181 Posts
On September 13 2012 17:33 EnDeR_ wrote: Thanks a lot for your help. I changed my gloves, belt and bracers to gain more vit and res and now i'm rolling with 33k HP, having no problems with most of the act .Phase beast packs with damage reflect are a breeze now, but I die quite a few times to packs of elites that shoot and run away (sucubii, the fallen mages, etc.) when they get stuff like molten, nightmarish and knockback. Do you guys have any particular strategies against these guys? Also, I'm using stormchaser on the twisters because I read that the proc rate is doubled, but I'm running with 47% cc. Do you guys think the twisters that don't move around are worth it in this case? no prob bro, yeah the cowardly elites and the ones with cc are a bit more anoying mostly because u actually have to think a little bit ur engagements and not bash ur keyboard to pieces. for all of them teleport wormhole shines: if theyre cowards or they push u around with knockback just chase them down with teleport and try to get them in some choke, preferably more than one where u can kill them frozen and arcane just use ur teleport so u dont get hit, same as if ur in the middle of too many dots u reposition ur self either walking or teleporting. and nightmarish is just a bitch, since u loose control u can only cross ur fingers and hope u just dont wader over some lava, posion arcane stuff that kills u. the only thing u can get is cc reduction on the gear . I havent turned back to ww since i started using sc, its better in tighter spaces but worse in open areas, does more damage , the twisters last longer u also need to have more twisters out since they wander off but the difference u get in loh and ap on crit imakes up for it | ||
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Silahsor
Turkey59 Posts
On September 13 2012 23:50 FallDownMarigold wrote: It's just so tough to find one with ~70-350+ dmg *AND* apoc for under ~100M. Seems like you either need to opt for way lower base dmg, or opt out of having apoc (which is a huge no-no for a lot of people including me). I'm still waiting until I can grab one with apoc + solid base dmg for a reasonable price...should boost me up to near 150K DPS or so. Cannot care less for apoc. Spending 95% of my farm time in Archon form. CC is what it matters for me. So sniping a decent & a cheap one is a priority for me, no? | ||
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ximae
181 Posts
On September 14 2012 17:58 Silahsor wrote: Cannot care less for apoc. Spending 95% of my farm time in Archon form. CC is what it matters for me. So sniping a decent & a cheap one is a priority for me, no? i have to agree with you, i couldnt be happier with mine 18% 8,5% cc and 80-290 dmg and no apoc. if i need apoc ive got 2 other slots to get it from. btw a little thing i discovered this morning for us triumvirate users. dont underestimate big average damage numbers on rings and ammys, specially if ur on a budget, they are pretty cheap. i got 2 60-70 average damage rings with 4% crit chance and around 80 int for about 1.5 mill both. and i gained 7k dps unbuffed. one of my previous rings was 4% cc and 25%cd and the new ring still gave me about 3.5k moar dps. | ||
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Mystle-1314/hero/12156514 He has about 25m available and he doesn't know what his upgrade priority should be. He also doesn't visit or have a TL account which is why I am asking for him. It would be greatly appreciated! | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
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ximae
181 Posts
On September 15 2012 01:28 Praetorial wrote: Does the old No Vitality Energy Armor Tons of Life Regen build still work? LOL no, that was hotfixed like 2 weeks after release. | ||
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alQahira
United States511 Posts
Again, int on the pants could be upgraded by about 100, but doing it with magic find would be ridiculously expensive. The amulet is a good target for upgrading. He should be able to find higher crit chance, in addition to some crit damage and similar intelligence for a few million. Overall I would say the amulet, boots, pants and shoulders are the cheapest areas to increase DPS, but balancing with EHP and magic find is the challenge. On September 15 2012 01:26 Charger wrote: Can you guys take a look at my buddies wizard and help us out? http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Mystle-1314/hero/12156514 He has about 25m available and he doesn't know what his upgrade priority should be. He also doesn't visit or have a TL account which is why I am asking for him. It would be greatly appreciated! | ||
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