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Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
February 25 2011 09:31 GMT
#61
well it will meake WCG pretty much uninteresting. Whats the poit of watching it without any Blizzard games...
Live and Let Die!
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-25 09:33:49
February 25 2011 09:33 GMT
#62
On February 25 2011 18:21 mprs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2011 17:22 aimaimaim wrote:
On February 25 2011 17:20 Tufas wrote:
How many top foreigners are playing broodwar nowadays anyway ?
None ? 4?

Without koreans there is no need for BW ... I dont have any idea how many progamers are still playing WC3 though.


you sure aint getting the point in all of this ..

the place is asia where blizzard games practically rule WC3. BW. SC2. ..

samsung is the main sponsor of WCG
if its gonna be held in korea, then OGN/MBC will be covering it ..

but because of the IP rights case ..

blizzard just made a problem.

no game advertisement for the biggest international tournament on earth = bad thing for blizz (?) [IMO]


Blizzard needs game advertisement? That is the real news...


every bit of advertisement helps right? especially if its held in korea .. hey they have been advertised for the past 10 years for free!

On February 25 2011 18:25 Whitewing wrote:
Blizzard filed the lawsuit because KESPA and other organizations were refusing to recognize their property rights. In other words, in the mind of Blizzard, they were stealing.

If I made this hugely popular game, and an organization decided to host tournaments, put it on T.V., and make money off the game without consulting me, asking for permission to use the game to earn money, or even recognizing that the game belongs to me, I'd be pissed and probably sue too.

Blizzard actually tried, for years, to convince KESPA to recognize their property rights without filing a lawsuit. KESPA refused, and has continued to earn a profit off of Blizzard's game. Just to be clear: Blizzard tried to settle the issue without a lawsuit.

KESPA is basically a money grubbing organization that has no respect for the players (tons of reports of this), no respect for the games themselves and the game developers, and no respect for ESPORTS in general based on their wanton refusals.


are we really gonna derail this thread again into a kespa vs blizz thing?

and get your damned facts straight while youre at it .
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
ChThoniC
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States536 Posts
February 25 2011 09:34 GMT
#63
As someone who doesn't care about eSports outside of WC3/SC2... this just made WCG 100% irrelevant to me.
i c u
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
February 25 2011 09:34 GMT
#64
the ammount of shitstorm this could start, i dont even.... If we will have a WCG wihtout SC and W3 oh god
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
February 25 2011 09:34 GMT
#65
this was bound to happen.
would have happened in every other country, too.
out of the possibilities:
a.) pay blizzard for "ip rights" broadcasting rights and no other company
b.) pay all companies (but why if they dont ask you to?)
c.) pay no companies

c.) seems the most logical to me. What if maybe Blizz would just present the broadcasting rights for wcg to them?
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
February 25 2011 09:35 GMT
#66
so cs is the only thing you can watch?
thats like cutting off both of your legs -.-
FTD
arioch
Profile Joined May 2010
England403 Posts
February 25 2011 09:36 GMT
#67
On February 25 2011 17:52 Avaloch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2011 17:29 arioch wrote:
I guess this will also include Guitar Hero too... It would seem inconsistent of them to allow other ActivisionBlizzard games.

Guitar Hero is an Activision game and besides, Activision already discontinued the series. Having people play it in a tournament is actually beneficial for the series failing sales.



I don't get your point... My point is that WCG will lose 3 of their official competitive games if they are not allowed to use activision products any more, not just 2.

I think its kind of sad to be honest, but if their worldwide partner refuses to allow BlizzardActivision products to be played then there's nothing WCG can do about it really.
BluePabs
Profile Joined November 2010
United States317 Posts
February 25 2011 09:38 GMT
#68
This would have been my first year of truly paying attention to WCG with SC2. I hope this gets worked out because I was excited about this.
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
February 25 2011 09:44 GMT
#69
I think the CG of WCG is gone if Blizzard games won't be included?
Artosis : Clide. idrA : Shut up.
GhostLink
Profile Joined January 2011
United States450 Posts
February 25 2011 09:44 GMT
#70
wow, ill never buy anything from samsung dont wanna support them
Let a man play chess, and tell him that every pawn is his friend. Let him think both bishops holy. Let him remember happy days in the shadows of his castles. Let him love his queen. Watch him lose them all.
zobz
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada2175 Posts
February 25 2011 09:51 GMT
#71
This is the problem with e-sports. Videogames are predominantly privately owned and for-profit, obviously, and the industry is driven by sequels. You can't just highjack a game disregarding the rights of the individuals who created it because that happens to be the most competitive game available. Blizzard has every right to sue MBC and OGN. For this reason esports can only legitimately function as an unstable generallized competition in which the leagues shift unpredictably from one game to another, and the players, and fans, must follow. This is all anyone should expect until one of these games that's worth playing falls into public domain. As much as i respect all the professionals who helped bring broodwar's potential into fruition as the finest demonstration to date of what esports can be; they were fools to build such a huge industry on such unstable grounds, and deserve to pay the price for it.

I would say that it would've been nice if blizzard had found a way to simply support and properly benefit from all that's been built up around their game, without destroying it. But that would be based on speculation, since i have no idea if that could've been possible. Ultimately it's blizzard's call anyway, and that has to be respected in a free society.
"That's not gonna be good for business." "That's not gonna be good for anybody."
Tumor
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria192 Posts
February 25 2011 09:54 GMT
#72
ohh my god, so blizzard killed them self out of one of the biggest events? hmm thats not very "E-sport" oriented. hope they fix the issue. will be sad. then i have Nothing to watch at the wcg
Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
February 25 2011 09:54 GMT
#73
On February 25 2011 17:53 teamsolid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2011 17:48 Eury wrote:
On February 25 2011 17:40 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Blizzard still has GOM, NASL, and MLG at the very least off the top of my head. Is WCG ultimately really going to leave a mark on them? I know WCG used to be really big, but does it still carry the kind of weight it used to in the current competitive climate?


Whatever happens, this will most likely be WCG's last year anyhow. Their economy is in shambles after several very bad events from an economical standpoint.

What made the last few WCGs so much worse economically than the years before that?


Well, probably the worst decision they did was to host the event in cities that really don't have the audience for it, but they have been bleeding money for years now. I'm sure Samsung, by now, is getting a bit sick of losing money even if you factor in the marketing value of sponsoring such an event.
Thiper
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland1 Post
February 25 2011 10:05 GMT
#74
Hmm... I don't think so that it will be truth. I suppose that it would be too big lose to WCG Now, we just need to wait :/
To live... To play...
Nukm_
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany104 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-25 10:09:41
February 25 2011 10:08 GMT
#75
the wcg is not e-sports, its a joke. marketing and industry bullshit.
the sooner the sc community realizes that, the better.
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
February 25 2011 10:11 GMT
#76
On February 25 2011 19:08 Nukm_ wrote:
the wcg is not e-sports, its a joke. marketing and industry bullshit. the sooner the sc community realizes that, the better. and its not like the last years where the international sc community needed an event like this



what? WCG has been the only tournament that caters RTS, Arena-based, FPS, Sport games fans for the past decade .. and its bullshit?
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
February 25 2011 10:12 GMT
#77
Why are people hating on Samsung? This is the first time we've seen anyone go on the offensive against blizzard with regard to the ip rights issue. At least that's what this seems like.
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-25 10:15:11
February 25 2011 10:13 GMT
#78
On February 25 2011 18:33 aimaimaim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2011 18:21 mprs wrote:
On February 25 2011 17:22 aimaimaim wrote:
On February 25 2011 17:20 Tufas wrote:
How many top foreigners are playing broodwar nowadays anyway ?
None ? 4?

Without koreans there is no need for BW ... I dont have any idea how many progamers are still playing WC3 though.


you sure aint getting the point in all of this ..

the place is asia where blizzard games practically rule WC3. BW. SC2. ..

samsung is the main sponsor of WCG
if its gonna be held in korea, then OGN/MBC will be covering it ..

but because of the IP rights case ..

blizzard just made a problem.

no game advertisement for the biggest international tournament on earth = bad thing for blizz (?) [IMO]


Blizzard needs game advertisement? That is the real news...


every bit of advertisement helps right? especially if its held in korea .. hey they have been advertised for the past 10 years for free!

Show nested quote +
On February 25 2011 18:25 Whitewing wrote:
Blizzard filed the lawsuit because KESPA and other organizations were refusing to recognize their property rights. In other words, in the mind of Blizzard, they were stealing.

If I made this hugely popular game, and an organization decided to host tournaments, put it on T.V., and make money off the game without consulting me, asking for permission to use the game to earn money, or even recognizing that the game belongs to me, I'd be pissed and probably sue too.

Blizzard actually tried, for years, to convince KESPA to recognize their property rights without filing a lawsuit. KESPA refused, and has continued to earn a profit off of Blizzard's game. Just to be clear: Blizzard tried to settle the issue without a lawsuit.

KESPA is basically a money grubbing organization that has no respect for the players (tons of reports of this), no respect for the games themselves and the game developers, and no respect for ESPORTS in general based on their wanton refusals.


are we really gonna derail this thread again into a kespa vs blizz thing?

and get your damned facts straight while youre at it .


rofl... I just have to point this out

"lolol they advertised for free through kespa omg omg omg"

"are we really gonna derail this thread again into a kespa vs blizz thing?"


Anyway, yes every bit of advertisement helps. But advertisement in WCG is not big enough for them to go back on their word or philosophy. How many people watch the WCG? How many of them have never heard of Starcraft/Diablo/Warcraft? They aren't reaching an audience that they haven't tapped into already. If anything, WCG is the one hurt by this, (and by association, their sponsors). For Blizzard, this is unfortunate but I doubt it is a company-shaking event.
We talkin about PRACTICE
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
February 25 2011 10:14 GMT
#79
I can't believe anybody thinks this is Samsungs fault. MBC and OGN are been sued for broadcasting Blizzard games. Samsung is heavily involved in the broodwar scene so why would it risk and further law suits buy allowing blizzard games to be broadcasted at its event (WCG is bascially funded by Samsung (right?)). This is gonna kill WCG starcraft is buy far the biggest game in WCG, SC2 might have been sick and been big to this year. But i totally surport the descion how can they pump money into a competion when Blizzard are sueing thier parteners for broadcasting Blizzard games

Blizzard wouldn't care about Broodwar if it wasn't for MBC and OGN. Broodwar would be dead with out the Korean scene and its unbeliavable that Blizzard are willing to risk ruining this wonderful scene just because they don't make money from it. Blizzard makes so much money already its redicolous, and they have the tenacity to say things like Blizzard surports Esports.
Agathon
Profile Joined February 2011
France1505 Posts
February 25 2011 10:17 GMT
#80
I think that WCG has more to loose than Blizzard in this case. I wouldn't be surprised if they change their mind soon, forced by the presure of the crowd.

WCG in Korea? Without both SC.BW and SC2? I doubt it would make it :D
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