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Quite sure that this is worse for the WCG than for Blizzard...
Still an interesting idea from Samsung, though I'm note sure how smart it is to add more fuel to the fire...
On February 25 2011 18:54 Eury wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 17:53 teamsolid wrote:On February 25 2011 17:48 Eury wrote:On February 25 2011 17:40 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Blizzard still has GOM, NASL, and MLG at the very least off the top of my head. Is WCG ultimately really going to leave a mark on them? I know WCG used to be really big, but does it still carry the kind of weight it used to in the current competitive climate? Whatever happens, this will most likely be WCG's last year anyhow. Their economy is in shambles after several very bad events from an economical standpoint. What made the last few WCGs so much worse economically than the years before that? Well, probably the worst decision they did was to host the event in cities that really don't have the audience for it, but they have been bleeding money for years now. I'm sure Samsung, by now, is getting a bit sick of losing money even if you factor in the marketing value of sponsoring such an event.
Well, WCG was actually just burning money since ever... (let's face it: live spectator tickets won't make you a whole lot of money)... And yes, on addition they probably made bad choices.
From what I've heard Samsung was thinking about leaving the WCG for quite a while now... wouldn't be too shocked if it's gonna happen, quite expensive toy^^
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I doubt Blizz would hardball WCG if they applied for broadcasting rights during thier event, it would be massive bad PR. Blizzard has managed to work with MLG, IEM and other big events, why is it suddenly impossible for WCG to come to an agreement?
From the sound of it Samsung is pissed at Blizz for suing thier partner in the first place so they just do not want to even try to get something sorted for WCG.
And yeah i agree with this:
On February 25 2011 17:49 Bijan wrote:
I'm getting so tired of caring about this lawsuit. I want this to be resolved, but the last few months have shown me that I can enjoy this sport regardless. I almost don't care what the outcome is anymore, just end this and we'll take whatever next steps are necessary.
Seriously, get your shit sorted. But WCG has hell of a lot more to loose in this situation, i will keep watching SC2 without WCG, but i wont watch WCg without SC2.
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Well, R.I.P WCG, for me at least...
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I get the feeling this is all happening because of Activision.
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On February 25 2011 20:06 zhouzhou wrote:
I get the feeling this is all happening because of Activision.
sheeesh .. do you really think so?? 
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On February 25 2011 17:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 17:40 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Blizzard still has GOM, NASL, and MLG at the very least off the top of my head. Is WCG ultimately really going to leave a mark on them? I know WCG used to be really big, but does it still carry the kind of weight it used to in the current competitive climate? WCG is still one of the biggest events in the world even for Blizzard games. not having it broadcasted is even worse as they make no money out of it and lose a lot more.I'm pretty sure Blizzard will let OGN broadcast without paying for licensing.
WCG is different, you represent your country TT
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Well Blizzard want fees for hosting and broadcasting events, why they want from kespa and not from WCG ??? I'm totaly on the side of Samsung becouse they have point.
It is dual standarts one organisation should pay fees other shouldn't.
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On February 25 2011 20:23 AcOrP wrote:
Well Blizzard want fees for hosting and broadcasting events, why they want from kespa and not from WCG ??? I'm totaly on the side of Samsung becouse they have point.
It is dual standarts one organisation should pay fees other shouldn't.
They aren't asking KeSPA to pay, they are asking OGN and MBC to pay the fees they are paying to KeSPA, to Blizzard instead. Because it is Blizzard that have the rights, not KeSPA.
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Urgh. In an ideal world Blizzard would just drop the lawsuit so E-sports could continue grow happily and free. -__- Now we end up with stuff like this.
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I get it that it's not at all fun to have your broadcasting right questioned after such a long time, I get samsung on that(although I dont agree with the overall way it's been done etc). But the general view on this that blizz dont deserve any money despite it being them who made the game is just fucked up and Samsung better recognise, they are in the wrong on that. On the positive side though I've been looking for a new tv and samsung has no problem with recognising that you can use things you didnt make or pay for. Wonder what model I should steal. hmm...
edit: oops didnt mean to say steal, I meant utilise
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On February 25 2011 20:30 Holgerius wrote:
Urgh. In an ideal world Blizzard would just drop the lawsuit so E-sports could continue grow happily and free. -__- Now we end up with stuff like this.
I think this is the mentality behind it; Samsung want Blizzard to drop the lawsuit so that WCG can continue on and then Blizzard get their free advertising.
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Kespa has clearly been in the wrong for a long period of time. There is absolutely no question about it. Blizzard is in the right, they warned Kespa numerous times over a long period of time.
Only problem is this is now effecting competitive tournaments.
Honestly guys though, think about it, who really cares about WCG? They had a reality show with random nonames playing mario kart and dance dance. They make terrible decisions, pick bad citys, and haven't been the big name in E-Sports since CS died.
With NASL and MLG, maybe it would be good to see WCG just bite the dust finally and some of those sponsors can fan out to other more worthy organizations.
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Why oh why does a sponsor interefere this much? Makes me percieve my samsung tv and monitor differently, seems like every company is run by complete bell-ends...
and the ones who end up suffering is the players and the fans. DAMNIT!!
With NASL and MLG, maybe it would be good to see WCG just bite the dust finally and some of those sponsors can fan out to other more worthy organizations.
What the heck? WCG is the olympics of ESPORTS. So fun to follow your country in the world wide scene.
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It's understandable that kespa and their partners wish to use anything they can to gain leverage. The fans are getting fucked obviously but in the kespa/blizzard conflict it has become pretty apparent how neither really gives a shit about the fans anyway.
On February 25 2011 20:37 gregnog wrote:
Kespa has clearly been in the wrong for a long period of time. There is absolutely no question about it. Blizzard is in the right, they warned Kespa numerous times over a long period of time.
Only problem is this is now effecting competitive tournaments.
Honestly guys though, think about it, who really cares about WCG? They had a reality show with random nonames playing mario kart and dance dance. They make terrible decisions, pick bad citys, and haven't been the big name in E-Sports since CS died.
With NASL and MLG, maybe it would be good to see WCG just bite the dust finally and some of those sponsors can fan out to other more worthy organizations.
When did CS die? O_O
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I really hope this wont come true :/
I started playing broodwar because of the WCG and if the rumors become true, that will be the saddest esport related news ever 
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I haven't been to fond off the wcg myself, I have actually mainly watched for other games in the past, and even then the tournaments were run at a mediocre level.
So the following options
1) They don't run blizzard games, their image gets even worse and they start dying a slow death, they have been in a bit of a "slump" for a while now, and if this happens they will mainly be some sort of weird "show off samsung stuff event"
2) They run blizzard games against samsung's will, and then samsung may stop sponsering them, and it's probably gonna be lights out for them, I don't see any sponsor as big as samsung jumping in to sponsor a poorly run event like this, at this point the only value I see in the wcg is the name off it, and the sort off media it got in the more mainstream media for being the olympics off gaming
3) Samsung and wcg come to an agreement to run the games anyway, but then you have trouble with broadcasts etc.
Whatever happens, I just dont see how wcg can come out of this in a good way, and it's another hit again on their image.
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Oh great, excluding Blizzard games? So WCG is down to a random CS-Offline Tournament (Sorry, but most of the other games are pretty much garbage and not worth watching").
Go ahead Samsung, go crash the tournement you sponsor yourself.
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On February 25 2011 20:42 Icx wrote:
I haven't been to fond off the wcg myself, I have actually mainly watched for other games in the past, and even then the tournaments were run at a mediocre level.
So the following options
1) They don't run blizzard games, their image gets even worse and they start dying a slow death, they have been in a bit of a "slump" for a while now, and if this happens they will mainly be some sort of weird "show off samsung stuff event"
2) They run blizzard games against samsung's will, and then samsung may stop sponsering them, and it's probably gonna be lights out for them, I don't see any sponsor as big as samsung jumping in to sponsor a poorly run event like this, at this point the only value I see in the wcg is the name off it, and the sort off media it got in the more mainstream media for being the olympics off gaming
3) Samsung and wcg come to an agreement to run the games anyway, but then you have trouble with broadcasts etc.
Whatever happens, I just dont see how wcg can come out of this in a good way, and it's another hit again on their image.
It'd be nice if WCG was sponsored by intel XD
intel is loved. is looking for a new sponsor even a possibility?
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On February 25 2011 20:47 Dekker wrote:
Oh great, excluding Blizzard games? So WCG is down to a random CS-Offline Tournament (Sorry, but most of the other games are pretty much garbage and not worth watching").
this pretty much.wcg was only interesting cause it brought bw/wc3 players from all over the world into one big tournament.
all the other games are jokes at best. no blizzard rts -> no wcg.
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