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On February 25 2011 16:56 TheOnly92 wrote:
This is just ridiculous, the corporate world is trying to destroy everything! Simply quite speechless about all of their actions, afterall what ogn does is promoting BW, why is Blizzard suing anyway?
ogn promotes BW, but is also making money off Blizzard's game. Blizzard wants money.
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On February 25 2011 19:13 mprs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 18:33 aimaimaim wrote:On February 25 2011 18:21 mprs wrote:On February 25 2011 17:22 aimaimaim wrote:On February 25 2011 17:20 Tufas wrote:
How many top foreigners are playing broodwar nowadays anyway ?
None ? 4?
Without koreans there is no need for BW ... I dont have any idea how many progamers are still playing WC3 though. you sure aint getting the point in all of this .. the place is asia where blizzard games practically rule WC3. BW. SC2. .. samsung is the main sponsor of WCG if its gonna be held in korea, then OGN/MBC will be covering it .. but because of the IP rights case .. blizzard just made a problem.no game advertisement for the biggest international tournament on earth = bad thing for blizz (?) [IMO] Blizzard needs game advertisement? That is the real news... every bit of advertisement helps right? especially if its held in korea .. hey they have been advertised for the past 10 years for free! On February 25 2011 18:25 Whitewing wrote:
Blizzard filed the lawsuit because KESPA and other organizations were refusing to recognize their property rights. In other words, in the mind of Blizzard, they were stealing.
If I made this hugely popular game, and an organization decided to host tournaments, put it on T.V., and make money off the game without consulting me, asking for permission to use the game to earn money, or even recognizing that the game belongs to me, I'd be pissed and probably sue too.
Blizzard actually tried, for years, to convince KESPA to recognize their property rights without filing a lawsuit. KESPA refused, and has continued to earn a profit off of Blizzard's game. Just to be clear: Blizzard tried to settle the issue without a lawsuit.
KESPA is basically a money grubbing organization that has no respect for the players (tons of reports of this), no respect for the games themselves and the game developers, and no respect for ESPORTS in general based on their wanton refusals. are we really gonna derail this thread again into a kespa vs blizz thing? and get your damned facts straight while youre at it . rofl... I just have to point this out "lolol they advertised for free through kespa omg omg omg" "are we really gonna derail this thread again into a kespa vs blizz thing?"
are you denying that they didn't advertise a game for 10 years? have you forgotten about the 1ST advertisement of SC2 was in korea and not some NA/EU country?
Also, I was quoting someone else who had a very disturbing post.
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But WCG disagreed, claiming that it will have trouble promoting the event and getting other partners if Blizzard games are excluded. To this, Samsung Electronics responded by saying "Go and get money from Blizzard, and all other game companies, the fees needed to run the events and fees for choosing their game [T/N: or "fees associated with choosing their game"].
Pure pwnage...
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On February 25 2011 19:17 Agathon wrote:
I think that WCG has more to loose than Blizzard in this case. I wouldn't be surprised if they change their mind soon, forced by the presure of the crowd.
WCG in Korea? Without both SC.BW and SC2? I doubt it would make it :D
Read the OP. WCGs main sponsor wants it gone. WCG itself wants the games in.
I see Samsung's point. Why would they want the WCG sued?
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If they do this then they won't get many people really watching it or make any money except for CS....
WCG would lose far to much from not Including SC and Wc3
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On February 25 2011 17:04 Latham wrote:
and some racing phone games?
Torch is gonna clean house!
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On February 25 2011 19:20 aimaimaim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 19:13 mprs wrote:On February 25 2011 18:33 aimaimaim wrote:On February 25 2011 18:21 mprs wrote:On February 25 2011 17:22 aimaimaim wrote:On February 25 2011 17:20 Tufas wrote:
How many top foreigners are playing broodwar nowadays anyway ?
None ? 4?
Without koreans there is no need for BW ... I dont have any idea how many progamers are still playing WC3 though. you sure aint getting the point in all of this .. the place is asia where blizzard games practically rule WC3. BW. SC2. .. samsung is the main sponsor of WCG if its gonna be held in korea, then OGN/MBC will be covering it .. but because of the IP rights case .. blizzard just made a problem.no game advertisement for the biggest international tournament on earth = bad thing for blizz (?) [IMO] Blizzard needs game advertisement? That is the real news... every bit of advertisement helps right? especially if its held in korea .. hey they have been advertised for the past 10 years for free! On February 25 2011 18:25 Whitewing wrote:
Blizzard filed the lawsuit because KESPA and other organizations were refusing to recognize their property rights. In other words, in the mind of Blizzard, they were stealing.
If I made this hugely popular game, and an organization decided to host tournaments, put it on T.V., and make money off the game without consulting me, asking for permission to use the game to earn money, or even recognizing that the game belongs to me, I'd be pissed and probably sue too.
Blizzard actually tried, for years, to convince KESPA to recognize their property rights without filing a lawsuit. KESPA refused, and has continued to earn a profit off of Blizzard's game. Just to be clear: Blizzard tried to settle the issue without a lawsuit.
KESPA is basically a money grubbing organization that has no respect for the players (tons of reports of this), no respect for the games themselves and the game developers, and no respect for ESPORTS in general based on their wanton refusals. are we really gonna derail this thread again into a kespa vs blizz thing? and get your damned facts straight while youre at it . rofl... I just have to point this out "lolol they advertised for free through kespa omg omg omg" "are we really gonna derail this thread again into a kespa vs blizz thing?" are you denying that they didn't advertise a game for 10 years? have you forgotten about the 1ST advertisement of SC2 was in korea and not some NA/EU country? Also, I was quoting someone else who had a very disturbing post.
No I agree. What I'm saying is that the post mentions the Kespa-Blizzard thing, and then says "are we really going to go into this Kespa-Blizzard thing?"
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On February 25 2011 19:17 Agathon wrote:
I think that WCG has more to loose than Blizzard in this case. I wouldn't be surprised if they change their mind soon, forced by the presure of the crowd.
WCG in Korea? Without both SC.BW and SC2? I doubt it would make it :D
Look at it this way. Gom controls broadcasts of SC:BW and SC2 in Korea.
Would Samsung fork money for:
*prices
*all logistics
When they wouldnt be able to get their advertisments and logos to a wide population? They cannot make a deal to have Blizzard games shown on TV cause if they do it they would lose the court case, cause it would be like saying "you were right we were wrong"
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On February 25 2011 19:25 mprs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 19:20 aimaimaim wrote:On February 25 2011 19:13 mprs wrote:On February 25 2011 18:33 aimaimaim wrote:On February 25 2011 18:21 mprs wrote:On February 25 2011 17:22 aimaimaim wrote:On February 25 2011 17:20 Tufas wrote:
How many top foreigners are playing broodwar nowadays anyway ?
None ? 4?
Without koreans there is no need for BW ... I dont have any idea how many progamers are still playing WC3 though. you sure aint getting the point in all of this .. the place is asia where blizzard games practically rule WC3. BW. SC2. .. samsung is the main sponsor of WCG if its gonna be held in korea, then OGN/MBC will be covering it .. but because of the IP rights case .. blizzard just made a problem.no game advertisement for the biggest international tournament on earth = bad thing for blizz (?) [IMO] Blizzard needs game advertisement? That is the real news... every bit of advertisement helps right? especially if its held in korea .. hey they have been advertised for the past 10 years for free! On February 25 2011 18:25 Whitewing wrote:
Blizzard filed the lawsuit because KESPA and other organizations were refusing to recognize their property rights. In other words, in the mind of Blizzard, they were stealing.
If I made this hugely popular game, and an organization decided to host tournaments, put it on T.V., and make money off the game without consulting me, asking for permission to use the game to earn money, or even recognizing that the game belongs to me, I'd be pissed and probably sue too.
Blizzard actually tried, for years, to convince KESPA to recognize their property rights without filing a lawsuit. KESPA refused, and has continued to earn a profit off of Blizzard's game. Just to be clear: Blizzard tried to settle the issue without a lawsuit.
KESPA is basically a money grubbing organization that has no respect for the players (tons of reports of this), no respect for the games themselves and the game developers, and no respect for ESPORTS in general based on their wanton refusals. are we really gonna derail this thread again into a kespa vs blizz thing? and get your damned facts straight while youre at it . rofl... I just have to point this out "lolol they advertised for free through kespa omg omg omg" "are we really gonna derail this thread again into a kespa vs blizz thing?" are you denying that they didn't advertise a game for 10 years? have you forgotten about the 1ST advertisement of SC2 was in korea and not some NA/EU country? Also, I was quoting someone else who had a very disturbing post. No I agree. What I'm saying is that the post mentions the Kespa-Blizzard thing, and then says "are we really going to go into this Kespa-Blizzard thing?"
it wasn't a kespa-blizz thing .. it was just a kespa-SC2 thing .. not blizz ..
Free advertisement of SC:BW that had an impact on SC2 .. because to me, if it wasn't for SC:BW, SC2's reception would have been worse that WC3TFT and WoW[pvp] ..
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Well, no Blizzard games means no reason for me to watch WCG. That's that.
In the long run I guess it will kill WCG, if they are not able to get the most successful (SC:BW ) and the currently most prominent, most played game (SC2 worldwide) for their tournament.
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Samsung pulling a reversal on Blizzard? For some reason my heart is excited at the thought. I have nothing against SC2 but I feel Blizzard has had this coming for a long time.
It's a little sad that BW and WC3, the main representatives may not be around this time, it's refreshing to see someone else use their power against Blizzard for the first time. I feel that they have grown complacent and need to be taught a little humility.
Love stork and Samsung, might go get myself a Galaxy Tab. Shame for eSports fans but something had to be done I guess :\
Blizzard should just drop their lawsuit so that everyone's happy again.
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On February 25 2011 19:36 IntoTheEmo wrote:
Shame for eSports but something had to be done I guess :\
I think it's probably good for ESPORTS in the long run. There is no precedent for the particular issues involved in this ip rights dispute. Blizzard is clearly the enemy of ESPORTS in that they will set a negative precedent. Any pressure put on them as a result of their actions is great.
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On February 25 2011 19:36 IntoTheEmo wrote:
Samsung pulling a reversal on Blizzard? For some reason my heart is excited at the thought. I have nothing against SC2 but I feel Blizzard has had this coming for a long time.
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The question isn't if Blizzard loses on this, or do they deserve it, but e-sports, and we, the viewers, and the players lose by this. I think it's a too big of a price to pay for showing Blizz they can't do anything
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On February 25 2011 19:36 IntoTheEmo wrote:
Blizzard should just drop their lawsuit so that everyone's happy again.
well to be honest the lawsuit is the fastest way to get this done,since both sides were so stubborn during the negotiations.
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Lol, if WCG asks blizzard, they'll sponsor WCG without samsung's help
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On February 25 2011 19:45 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 19:36 IntoTheEmo wrote:
Samsung pulling a reversal on Blizzard? For some reason my heart is excited at the thought. I have nothing against SC2 but I feel Blizzard has had this coming for a long time.
. The question isn't if Blizzard loses on this, or do they deserve it, but e-sports, and we, the viewers, and the players lose by this. I think it's a too big of a price to pay for showing Blizz they can't do anything
Yeah lol. Blizzard doesn't lose as much as we/WCG/Samsung loses by not having 2 premiere competitive games in the mix.
If there was no SC2, or no F/J/S/B for BW, I probably wouldn't watch (and I'm sure many people as well).
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 25 2011 19:12 thopol wrote:
Why are people hating on Samsung? This is the first time we've seen anyone go on the offensive against blizzard with regard to the ip rights issue. At least that's what this seems like. On February 25 2011 19:36 IntoTheEmo wrote:
Samsung pulling a reversal on Blizzard? For some reason my heart is excited at the thought. I have nothing against SC2 but I feel Blizzard has had this coming for a long time.
It's a little sad that BW and WC3, the main representatives may not be around this time, it's refreshing to see someone else use their power against Blizzard for the first time. I feel that they have grown complacent and need to be taught a little humility.
Love stork and Samsung, might go get myself a Galaxy Tab. Shame for eSports but something had to be done I guess :\
Heh exactly what I thought when reading through this - Samsung pulled a fast one this round. Previously Blizzard only incurred the fans' wrath, now its a situation that includes international advertisers and sponsors. Wonder how they'll get out of this fix.
Also, "They are currently considering including Blizzard Games as an official event under the condition that they do not broadcast the games within Korea and Korean representatives are not playing in the WCG", sounds like some childish retort considering the Korean players are the ones that fans want to see at WCG (at least I do). Perhaps it may be a stunt to allow non-Korean winners in SC:BW for a change?
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On February 25 2011 19:44 thopol wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 19:36 IntoTheEmo wrote:
Shame for eSports but something had to be done I guess :\ I think it's probably good for ESPORTS in the long run. There is no precedent for the particular issues involved in this ip rights dispute. Blizzard is clearly the enemy of ESPORTS in that they will set a negative precedent. Any pressure put on them as a result of their actions is great.
Yeah I meant eSports fans, but somehow forgot to include it, I blame it on posting from a phone <3
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On February 25 2011 19:20 Milkyst wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 16:56 TheOnly92 wrote:
This is just ridiculous, the corporate world is trying to destroy everything! Simply quite speechless about all of their actions, afterall what ogn does is promoting BW, why is Blizzard suing anyway? ogn promotes BW, but is also making money off Blizzard's game. Blizzard wants money.
I thought Blizzard was only asking for 1 dollar a year or something ridiculous like that? But that might just be hear say. Anyways I thought it wasn't about money but that Blizzard wanted OGN to recognize that everything they're making money off of is technically intellectual property of Blizzard.
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Samsung worries that they're paying money for a soon becoming Blizzard tournament.
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