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Koreans just mad that they r being sued by blizzard, blizzard sort of started the whole shebang if u look at it that way. As long as the whole tension between OSL/msl and blizzard doesn't go away, there will be no solution to this problem
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Anyone know the next court date? Also, should that bring the final verdict? I could see WCG waiting for that to come before deciding what to do next (at least for the inclusion of blizz games), granted that date isn't too far away form now.
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good for samsung demonstrating they have balls and a sense of justice.
Blizzard are way out of line with this whole IP thing.
This is the only way samsung could stand up to them and also publicise how bad blizzard are acting outside of the bw community.
i understand both sides here. blizzard is trying to protect their image and their game that they created. They don't want people or companies making massive money and advertising and rating without paying anything for the vehicle they use. imagine if your friend was borrowing your car to sell stuff door to door and made lets say 100k but he isn't giving you gas or a cut. wouldn't that bother you?
The big problem id have is that my car is not insured for business use. Also is he was selling stuff out of it for 100k hed probably be doing something really illegal and or dangerous which changes everything. So i dont think this example is really helpful at all. It really trivialises the whole thing and hides the real causes behind a broken analogy.
The difference is that in business you have to get this stuff agreed before. The law has evolved over time due to courts that make profit from this kind of sillyness. In your example you would be able to start a case and you would get a cut. In this case blizzard is basically attempting to test a whole new area of law.
the real question is shuold the publisher of a game have a right to dictate who can play it, when they play it and at what venues is played at? Shuold a publisher be entitled to a cut from tournaments? That is a total reversal of the current situation .... what is more brood war didnt have anything about this in its contracts when it was released (unlike sc2) because it was way beyond the imaginings of lawyers.
Besides they made the game and sold the copies of it. they didnt make the tv show of people playing the game. The fact its sc is incidental ... th publisher has ip on the game, using it in a tournament is fair use because each participant has bought a license of the game.
Dont people on blizzards side get what they are asking for? Its like supporting prohibition and then wishing for a way for some people to get a little bit of a supply if they pay a fortune for it. Yes, you are voting for prohibition as well.
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this whole situation is bit dumb honestly, i understand that in korea BW had become a big part of the culture but what they have 2 understand is it is Blizzard's game, now matter how they twist or turn it and right now it just sounds like SE has a bitter taste in their mouth from feeling "fucked over" by blizzard, however complete negligence to take into consideration the way BW had been part of the culture and how these companies turned a great RTS into YEARS of entertainment blizzard is also at fault, so in short i feel as if blizzard is a candy company, these korean companies r employs who have been stealing candy from them for years, and now blizzard finally cracked down on them while they had their mouths stuffed and little did the store owner know its employees had gained a candy addiction, so basically i feel like blizzard is still in the process of getting its employees out of its store, and with WCG on the line any result here is going to be felt through out the E-sport community, its kinda sad that these big corps play such a crucial role in our entertainment....
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Good, maybe now blizzard will learn how to make maps
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On March 03 2011 10:18 ImBakedBro wrote:
this whole situation is bit dumb honestly, i understand that in korea BW had become a big part of the culture but what they have 2 understand is it is Blizzard's game, now matter how they twist or turn it and right now it just sounds like SE has a bitter taste in their mouth from feeling "fucked over" by blizzard, however complete negligence to take into consideration the way BW had been part of the culture and how these companies turned a great RTS into YEARS of entertainment blizzard is also at fault, so in short i feel as if blizzard is a candy company, these korean companies r employs who have been stealing candy from them for years, and now blizzard finally cracked down on them while they had their mouths stuffed and little did the store owner know its employees had gained a candy addiction, so basically i feel like blizzard is still in the process of getting its employees out of its store, and with WCG on the line any result here is going to be felt through out the E-sport community, its kinda sad that these big corps play such a crucial role in our entertainment....
so? it's not like kespa pirated the games. they bought the copies legit like everybody else. Kespa merely uses the game as a means to conduct sporting events, just like you buy golf clubs and balls and a country club membership card to play golf, or buy a ball and book a field to play soccer.
let me put it this way, imagine your favorite sport. Lets say it's soccer. Soccer is a public sport right? Nobody owns soccer. But soccer didn't just exist out of nowhere; somebody had to invent it sometime in the past. Imagine the inventor of soccer suddenly rises from the dead one day, and not only that, he also shows undeniable proof that he created the the sport in the first place, and that he has rights to royalties paid to him for every soccer tournament ever held. Which means everyone, from you all the way to FIFA will have to pay him money every time anybody so much wants to arrange a broadcasted tounrmanent. Sounds incredibly stupid right?
I understand that IP rights are meant to protect developers, but that right has been abused for far too long and far too much by greedy corporations.
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On March 03 2011 13:03 Rashid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2011 10:18 ImBakedBro wrote:
this whole situation is bit dumb honestly, i understand that in korea BW had become a big part of the culture but what they have 2 understand is it is Blizzard's game, now matter how they twist or turn it and right now it just sounds like SE has a bitter taste in their mouth from feeling "fucked over" by blizzard, however complete negligence to take into consideration the way BW had been part of the culture and how these companies turned a great RTS into YEARS of entertainment blizzard is also at fault, so in short i feel as if blizzard is a candy company, these korean companies r employs who have been stealing candy from them for years, and now blizzard finally cracked down on them while they had their mouths stuffed and little did the store owner know its employees had gained a candy addiction, so basically i feel like blizzard is still in the process of getting its employees out of its store, and with WCG on the line any result here is going to be felt through out the E-sport community, its kinda sad that these big corps play such a crucial role in our entertainment.... so? it's not like kespa pirated the games. they bought the copies legit like everybody else. Kespa merely uses the game as a means to conduct sporting events, just like you buy golf clubs and balls and a country club membership card to play golf, or buy a ball and book a field to play soccer. let me put it this way, imagine your favorite sport. Lets say it's soccer. Soccer is a public sport right? Nobody owns soccer. But soccer didn't just exist out of nowhere; somebody had to invent it sometime in the past. Imagine the inventor of soccer suddenly rises from the dead one day, and not only that, he also shows undeniable proof that he created the the sport in the first place, and that he has rights to royalties paid to him for every soccer tournament ever held. Which means everyone, from you all the way to FIFA will have to pay him money every time anybody so much wants to arrange a broadcasted tounrmanent. Sounds incredibly stupid right? I understand that IP rights are meant to protect developers, but that right has been abused for far too long and far too much by greedy corporations.
Except if someone was allowed to patent Soccer, they would have monopoly and could do what Blizzard is doing. I believe you are not allowed to register sports.
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On March 03 2011 13:30 mprs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2011 13:03 Rashid wrote:On March 03 2011 10:18 ImBakedBro wrote:
this whole situation is bit dumb honestly, i understand that in korea BW had become a big part of the culture but what they have 2 understand is it is Blizzard's game, now matter how they twist or turn it and right now it just sounds like SE has a bitter taste in their mouth from feeling "fucked over" by blizzard, however complete negligence to take into consideration the way BW had been part of the culture and how these companies turned a great RTS into YEARS of entertainment blizzard is also at fault, so in short i feel as if blizzard is a candy company, these korean companies r employs who have been stealing candy from them for years, and now blizzard finally cracked down on them while they had their mouths stuffed and little did the store owner know its employees had gained a candy addiction, so basically i feel like blizzard is still in the process of getting its employees out of its store, and with WCG on the line any result here is going to be felt through out the E-sport community, its kinda sad that these big corps play such a crucial role in our entertainment.... so? it's not like kespa pirated the games. they bought the copies legit like everybody else. Kespa merely uses the game as a means to conduct sporting events, just like you buy golf clubs and balls and a country club membership card to play golf, or buy a ball and book a field to play soccer. let me put it this way, imagine your favorite sport. Lets say it's soccer. Soccer is a public sport right? Nobody owns soccer. But soccer didn't just exist out of nowhere; somebody had to invent it sometime in the past. Imagine the inventor of soccer suddenly rises from the dead one day, and not only that, he also shows undeniable proof that he created the the sport in the first place, and that he has rights to royalties paid to him for every soccer tournament ever held. Which means everyone, from you all the way to FIFA will have to pay him money every time anybody so much wants to arrange a broadcasted tounrmanent. Sounds incredibly stupid right? I understand that IP rights are meant to protect developers, but that right has been abused for far too long and far too much by greedy corporations. Except if someone was allowed to patent Soccer, they would have monopoly and could do what Blizzard is doing. I believe you are not allowed to register sports.
Who says i cant? Sure i cant patent sports like soccer or football or basketball, because they've existed for so long and is considered public domain, but I could invent a new sport called Extreme Nude Footbasketball, patent it, and from now on anybody who wants to play it or makes tournaments from my game, they'll have to follow my rules and pay me royalties.
Imagine if instead of SC, Blizzard instead has a patent for Soccer. Imagine that you can only play on Blizzard-certified fields with Blizzard-certified balls with Blizzard-certified rules, or else you get banned from ever playing Soccer unless you pay $60 to get your ban lifted. Imagine that every time anybody ever wants to set up a tournament, they'd have to pay Blizzard royalty fees. Imagine that in every tournament, you'll need to invite a Blizzard employee over so that they can unlock the ball so that it wont lag so much.
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On March 03 2011 14:09 Rashid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2011 13:30 mprs wrote:On March 03 2011 13:03 Rashid wrote:On March 03 2011 10:18 ImBakedBro wrote:
this whole situation is bit dumb honestly, i understand that in korea BW had become a big part of the culture but what they have 2 understand is it is Blizzard's game, now matter how they twist or turn it and right now it just sounds like SE has a bitter taste in their mouth from feeling "fucked over" by blizzard, however complete negligence to take into consideration the way BW had been part of the culture and how these companies turned a great RTS into YEARS of entertainment blizzard is also at fault, so in short i feel as if blizzard is a candy company, these korean companies r employs who have been stealing candy from them for years, and now blizzard finally cracked down on them while they had their mouths stuffed and little did the store owner know its employees had gained a candy addiction, so basically i feel like blizzard is still in the process of getting its employees out of its store, and with WCG on the line any result here is going to be felt through out the E-sport community, its kinda sad that these big corps play such a crucial role in our entertainment.... so? it's not like kespa pirated the games. they bought the copies legit like everybody else. Kespa merely uses the game as a means to conduct sporting events, just like you buy golf clubs and balls and a country club membership card to play golf, or buy a ball and book a field to play soccer. let me put it this way, imagine your favorite sport. Lets say it's soccer. Soccer is a public sport right? Nobody owns soccer. But soccer didn't just exist out of nowhere; somebody had to invent it sometime in the past. Imagine the inventor of soccer suddenly rises from the dead one day, and not only that, he also shows undeniable proof that he created the the sport in the first place, and that he has rights to royalties paid to him for every soccer tournament ever held. Which means everyone, from you all the way to FIFA will have to pay him money every time anybody so much wants to arrange a broadcasted tounrmanent. Sounds incredibly stupid right? I understand that IP rights are meant to protect developers, but that right has been abused for far too long and far too much by greedy corporations. Except if someone was allowed to patent Soccer, they would have monopoly and could do what Blizzard is doing. I believe you are not allowed to register sports. Who says i cant? Sure i cant patent sports like soccer or football or basketball, because they've existed for so long and is considered public domain, but I could invent a new sport called Extreme Nude Footbasketball, patent it, and from now on anybody who wants to play it or makes tournaments from my game, they'll have to follow my rules and pay me royalties. Imagine if instead of SC, Blizzard instead has a patent for Soccer. Imagine that you can only play on Blizzard-certified fields with Blizzard-certified balls with Blizzard-certified rules, or else you get banned from ever playing Soccer unless you pay $60 to get your ban lifted. Imagine that every time anybody ever wants to set up a tournament, they'd have to pay Blizzard royalty fees. Imagine that in every tournament, you'll need to invite a Blizzard employee over so that they can unlock the ball so that it wont lag so much.
Except Blizzard made 'Soccer' in this case. Unlike Soccer, Starcraft is NOT of the public domain. And unlike Soccer, Starcraft is NOT a real sport, it's a game, that also belongs to an intellectual property, CREATED by a currently existing and functioning company.
If there was any way to prove that soccer as it exists was created by a single man or entity, and if it was actually true, then that entity or man would most certainly be all over that shit. Speaking of Soccer, FIFA? gets to act like they made soccer and they own it as the 'official' governing body, simply because there isn't exactly a real definite group that 'created' soccer to put FIFA in their place (imo the people of the world, Some South American Tribe that invented it, England, and the rest of the world, in that order). And you know what? That organization is a money grubbing, greedy, and one of the world most corrupt disaster of an institution, probably something everything that KeSPA aspires to be.
There's more than just evidence that Blizzard CREATED, PUBLISHED, and OWNS the intellectual property of Starcraft. They fucking made it, they're entitled to do whatever they want with the intellectual property and the product lines from the said property. They let KeSPA do their thing for a while, and then they decided they'd rather they didn't anymore, because they want to advance their vision of where they want the intellectual property to be headed towards. Why is this so complicated? There are no good analogies for this that remotely qualify your stance.
Sadly, international laws in general are just a fucking pain in the ass, and the greedy Korean organizations are allowed to continue acting like a petulant child about being 'robbed of' something that wasn't really theirs in the first place.
ps. I know as someone who doesn't post here often, that I may be out of place. If I get temp-banned for this, I understand. I just felt it had to be said. This IS a forum after all.
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i'm not gonna pretend i know the legal ramifications. but i'm curious who comes out on top with this one. ive always maintained that my gut says blizzard wins out.
but when the elephants fight the grass hurts. wcg is caught in middle....
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On March 03 2011 21:26 Phanekim wrote:
i'm not gonna pretend i know the legal ramifications. but i'm curious who comes out on top with this one. ive always maintained that my gut says blizzard wins out.
but when the elephants fight the grass hurts. wcg is caught in middle....
It's really too bad for WCG. They are the ones truly caught in an unfair situation. Here's hoping they find a solution to an impossible problem. For all our sakes.
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On March 03 2011 21:19 pikey26 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2011 14:09 Rashid wrote:On March 03 2011 13:30 mprs wrote:On March 03 2011 13:03 Rashid wrote:On March 03 2011 10:18 ImBakedBro wrote:
this whole situation is bit dumb honestly, i understand that in korea BW had become a big part of the culture but what they have 2 understand is it is Blizzard's game, now matter how they twist or turn it and right now it just sounds like SE has a bitter taste in their mouth from feeling "fucked over" by blizzard, however complete negligence to take into consideration the way BW had been part of the culture and how these companies turned a great RTS into YEARS of entertainment blizzard is also at fault, so in short i feel as if blizzard is a candy company, these korean companies r employs who have been stealing candy from them for years, and now blizzard finally cracked down on them while they had their mouths stuffed and little did the store owner know its employees had gained a candy addiction, so basically i feel like blizzard is still in the process of getting its employees out of its store, and with WCG on the line any result here is going to be felt through out the E-sport community, its kinda sad that these big corps play such a crucial role in our entertainment.... so? it's not like kespa pirated the games. they bought the copies legit like everybody else. Kespa merely uses the game as a means to conduct sporting events, just like you buy golf clubs and balls and a country club membership card to play golf, or buy a ball and book a field to play soccer. let me put it this way, imagine your favorite sport. Lets say it's soccer. Soccer is a public sport right? Nobody owns soccer. But soccer didn't just exist out of nowhere; somebody had to invent it sometime in the past. Imagine the inventor of soccer suddenly rises from the dead one day, and not only that, he also shows undeniable proof that he created the the sport in the first place, and that he has rights to royalties paid to him for every soccer tournament ever held. Which means everyone, from you all the way to FIFA will have to pay him money every time anybody so much wants to arrange a broadcasted tounrmanent. Sounds incredibly stupid right? I understand that IP rights are meant to protect developers, but that right has been abused for far too long and far too much by greedy corporations. Except if someone was allowed to patent Soccer, they would have monopoly and could do what Blizzard is doing. I believe you are not allowed to register sports. Who says i cant? Sure i cant patent sports like soccer or football or basketball, because they've existed for so long and is considered public domain, but I could invent a new sport called Extreme Nude Footbasketball, patent it, and from now on anybody who wants to play it or makes tournaments from my game, they'll have to follow my rules and pay me royalties. Imagine if instead of SC, Blizzard instead has a patent for Soccer. Imagine that you can only play on Blizzard-certified fields with Blizzard-certified balls with Blizzard-certified rules, or else you get banned from ever playing Soccer unless you pay $60 to get your ban lifted. Imagine that every time anybody ever wants to set up a tournament, they'd have to pay Blizzard royalty fees. Imagine that in every tournament, you'll need to invite a Blizzard employee over so that they can unlock the ball so that it wont lag so much. Except Blizzard made 'Soccer' in this case. Unlike Soccer, Starcraft is NOT of the public domain. And unlike Soccer, Starcraft is NOT a real sport, it's a game, that also belongs to an intellectual property, CREATED by a currently existing and functioning company. If there was any way to prove that soccer as it exists was created by a single man or entity, and if it was actually true, then that entity or man would most certainly be all over that shit. Speaking of Soccer, FIFA? gets to act like they made soccer and they own it as the 'official' governing body, simply because there isn't exactly a real definite group that 'created' soccer to put FIFA in their place (imo the people of the world, Some South American Tribe that invented it, England, and the rest of the world, in that order). And you know what? That organization is a money grubbing, greedy, and one of the world most corrupt disaster of an institution, probably something everything that KeSPA aspires to be. There's more than just evidence that Blizzard CREATED, PUBLISHED, and OWNS the intellectual property of Starcraft. They fucking made it, they're entitled to do whatever they want with the intellectual property and the product lines from the said property. They let KeSPA do their thing for a while, and then they decided they'd rather they didn't anymore, because they want to advance their vision of where they want the intellectual property to be headed towards. Why is this so complicated? There are no good analogies for this that remotely qualify your stance.
Sadly, international laws in general are just a fucking pain in the ass, and the greedy Korean organizations are allowed to continue acting like a petulant child about being 'robbed of' something that wasn't really theirs in the first place. ps. I know as someone who doesn't post here often, that I may be out of place. If I get temp-banned for this, I understand. I just felt it had to be said. This IS a forum after all.
The complicated thing is just because Blizzard CREATED, PUBLISHED and OWN the intellectual property of Starcraft, that doesn't mean they own THE PROFESSIONAL GAMING SCENE that was grown and cultured largely by Kespa. Tell me, how many other Blizzard games that have survived for so long in competitive gaming with so many players like Starcraft? The answer is ZERO. I assure you, without Kespa actually making a commitment in growing the profesional gaming scene, Starcraft would have died 6-7 years ago or even sooner, regardless of how 'balanced' or 'great' 'or unique' the game was.
Even the success of SCII was largely riding on the popularity of Starcraft 1 profesional scene, you know, the same exact professional scene that Kespa has spent years nurturing? It's like i rented a a rickety apartment from you, and then i furnished that apartment with all the cool furniture and wallpaper and carpeting and cool entertainment system and airconditioning and and fixed the plumbing and lighting and shit, and then 5 months later suddenly you decided you want your apartment back along with all the improvements i've made to the apartment including all the furniture and stuff, and when i told you that i made all those improvements, you tell me that i can stay but my rent is gonna be raised because the place looks soooo much nicer now. But hey that's greedy corporations for you.
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Or you can move out and take all the furniture with you and destroy the plumbing again, etc, etc.
And what would be left - nothing nobody would want.
If blizz wins we are left with nothing.
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On March 03 2011 10:18 ImBakedBro wrote:
this whole situation is bit dumb honestly, i understand that in korea BW had become a big part of the culture but what they have 2 understand is it is Blizzard's game, now matter how they twist or turn it and right now it just sounds like SE has a bitter taste in their mouth from feeling "fucked over" by blizzard, however complete negligence to take into consideration the way BW had been part of the culture and how these companies turned a great RTS into YEARS of entertainment blizzard is also at fault, so in short i feel as if blizzard is a candy company, these korean companies r employs who have been stealing candy from them for years, and now blizzard finally cracked down on them while they had their mouths stuffed and little did the store owner know its employees had gained a candy addiction, so basically i feel like blizzard is still in the process of getting its employees out of its store, and with WCG on the line any result here is going to be felt through out the E-sport community, its kinda sad that these big corps play such a crucial role in our entertainment....
Dude u must really be high to even suggest that.
All those ppl that are pointing fingers at KesPA and saying they reaped profit from BW without paying due loyalty fee to Blizzard only sees the surface of the matter. It is really obnoxious how thin you guy's thought process is.
Have you guys ever heard of marketing? Yes Blizzard made the game, and they own the rights to the games. BUT THEY GET PAID by the customers who buy their games.
I can tell you right now that THE MAJOR source of marketing for BW/SC2 is the progaming scene, no doubt about it. Blizzard is getting KesPA and organizations such as WCG to market their product for FREE at no cost to them, and they are reaping incredible benefit from that.
KesPA making profits with something that Blizzard made? Please, KesPA let Blizzard reap financial gain that is 100, 1000, million times greater than whatever they have gained.(through game product and other related product sales)
(keep in mind that most of the income would have gone into expanding/developing E-sports scene)
For one, Blizzard is dumb for ignoring such marketing effect (economic loss for Blizzard IF all Blizzard games are not played on WCG would be huge) and second, all those anti-critics against KesPA, WCG, Samsung, etc, need to really get the basic concepts of economics and marketing.
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On March 03 2011 22:24 Rashid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2011 21:19 pikey26 wrote:On March 03 2011 14:09 Rashid wrote:On March 03 2011 13:30 mprs wrote:On March 03 2011 13:03 Rashid wrote:On March 03 2011 10:18 ImBakedBro wrote:
this whole situation is bit dumb honestly, i understand that in korea BW had become a big part of the culture but what they have 2 understand is it is Blizzard's game, now matter how they twist or turn it and right now it just sounds like SE has a bitter taste in their mouth from feeling "fucked over" by blizzard, however complete negligence to take into consideration the way BW had been part of the culture and how these companies turned a great RTS into YEARS of entertainment blizzard is also at fault, so in short i feel as if blizzard is a candy company, these korean companies r employs who have been stealing candy from them for years, and now blizzard finally cracked down on them while they had their mouths stuffed and little did the store owner know its employees had gained a candy addiction, so basically i feel like blizzard is still in the process of getting its employees out of its store, and with WCG on the line any result here is going to be felt through out the E-sport community, its kinda sad that these big corps play such a crucial role in our entertainment.... so? it's not like kespa pirated the games. they bought the copies legit like everybody else. Kespa merely uses the game as a means to conduct sporting events, just like you buy golf clubs and balls and a country club membership card to play golf, or buy a ball and book a field to play soccer. let me put it this way, imagine your favorite sport. Lets say it's soccer. Soccer is a public sport right? Nobody owns soccer. But soccer didn't just exist out of nowhere; somebody had to invent it sometime in the past. Imagine the inventor of soccer suddenly rises from the dead one day, and not only that, he also shows undeniable proof that he created the the sport in the first place, and that he has rights to royalties paid to him for every soccer tournament ever held. Which means everyone, from you all the way to FIFA will have to pay him money every time anybody so much wants to arrange a broadcasted tounrmanent. Sounds incredibly stupid right? I understand that IP rights are meant to protect developers, but that right has been abused for far too long and far too much by greedy corporations. Except if someone was allowed to patent Soccer, they would have monopoly and could do what Blizzard is doing. I believe you are not allowed to register sports. Who says i cant? Sure i cant patent sports like soccer or football or basketball, because they've existed for so long and is considered public domain, but I could invent a new sport called Extreme Nude Footbasketball, patent it, and from now on anybody who wants to play it or makes tournaments from my game, they'll have to follow my rules and pay me royalties. Imagine if instead of SC, Blizzard instead has a patent for Soccer. Imagine that you can only play on Blizzard-certified fields with Blizzard-certified balls with Blizzard-certified rules, or else you get banned from ever playing Soccer unless you pay $60 to get your ban lifted. Imagine that every time anybody ever wants to set up a tournament, they'd have to pay Blizzard royalty fees. Imagine that in every tournament, you'll need to invite a Blizzard employee over so that they can unlock the ball so that it wont lag so much. Except Blizzard made 'Soccer' in this case. Unlike Soccer, Starcraft is NOT of the public domain. And unlike Soccer, Starcraft is NOT a real sport, it's a game, that also belongs to an intellectual property, CREATED by a currently existing and functioning company. If there was any way to prove that soccer as it exists was created by a single man or entity, and if it was actually true, then that entity or man would most certainly be all over that shit. Speaking of Soccer, FIFA? gets to act like they made soccer and they own it as the 'official' governing body, simply because there isn't exactly a real definite group that 'created' soccer to put FIFA in their place (imo the people of the world, Some South American Tribe that invented it, England, and the rest of the world, in that order). And you know what? That organization is a money grubbing, greedy, and one of the world most corrupt disaster of an institution, probably something everything that KeSPA aspires to be. There's more than just evidence that Blizzard CREATED, PUBLISHED, and OWNS the intellectual property of Starcraft. They fucking made it, they're entitled to do whatever they want with the intellectual property and the product lines from the said property. They let KeSPA do their thing for a while, and then they decided they'd rather they didn't anymore, because they want to advance their vision of where they want the intellectual property to be headed towards. Why is this so complicated? There are no good analogies for this that remotely qualify your stance.
Sadly, international laws in general are just a fucking pain in the ass, and the greedy Korean organizations are allowed to continue acting like a petulant child about being 'robbed of' something that wasn't really theirs in the first place. ps. I know as someone who doesn't post here often, that I may be out of place. If I get temp-banned for this, I understand. I just felt it had to be said. This IS a forum after all. The complicated thing is just because Blizzard CREATED, PUBLISHED and OWN the intellectual property of Starcraft, that doesn't mean they own THE PROFESSIONAL GAMING SCENE that was grown and cultured largely by Kespa. Tell me, how many other Blizzard games that have survived for so long in competitive gaming with so many players like Starcraft? The answer is ZERO. I assure you, without Kespa actually making a commitment in growing the profesional gaming scene, Starcraft would have died 6-7 years ago or even sooner, regardless of how 'balanced' or 'great' 'or unique' the game was. Even the success of SCII was largely riding on the popularity of Starcraft 1 profesional scene, you know, the same exact professional scene that Kespa has spent years nurturing? It's like i rented a a rickety apartment from you, and then i furnished that apartment with all the cool furniture and wallpaper and carpeting and cool entertainment system and airconditioning and and fixed the plumbing and lighting and shit, and then 5 months later suddenly you decided you want your apartment back along with all the improvements i've made to the apartment including all the furniture and stuff, and when i told you that i made all those improvements, you tell me that i can stay but my rent is gonna be raised because the place looks soooo much nicer now. But hey that's greedy corporations for you.
The professional scene directly utilizes the Intellectual Property's images and products.
So yes, they have even more than just a fair say in what gets to go on in the scene.
and the apartment analogy.... lol really? do you have to warp your though process that much to make sense of the world as the way you want to see it?
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On March 03 2011 22:24 Rashid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2011 21:19 pikey26 wrote:On March 03 2011 14:09 Rashid wrote:On March 03 2011 13:30 mprs wrote:On March 03 2011 13:03 Rashid wrote:On March 03 2011 10:18 ImBakedBro wrote:
this whole situation is bit dumb honestly, i understand that in korea BW had become a big part of the culture but what they have 2 understand is it is Blizzard's game, now matter how they twist or turn it and right now it just sounds like SE has a bitter taste in their mouth from feeling "fucked over" by blizzard, however complete negligence to take into consideration the way BW had been part of the culture and how these companies turned a great RTS into YEARS of entertainment blizzard is also at fault, so in short i feel as if blizzard is a candy company, these korean companies r employs who have been stealing candy from them for years, and now blizzard finally cracked down on them while they had their mouths stuffed and little did the store owner know its employees had gained a candy addiction, so basically i feel like blizzard is still in the process of getting its employees out of its store, and with WCG on the line any result here is going to be felt through out the E-sport community, its kinda sad that these big corps play such a crucial role in our entertainment.... so? it's not like kespa pirated the games. they bought the copies legit like everybody else. Kespa merely uses the game as a means to conduct sporting events, just like you buy golf clubs and balls and a country club membership card to play golf, or buy a ball and book a field to play soccer. let me put it this way, imagine your favorite sport. Lets say it's soccer. Soccer is a public sport right? Nobody owns soccer. But soccer didn't just exist out of nowhere; somebody had to invent it sometime in the past. Imagine the inventor of soccer suddenly rises from the dead one day, and not only that, he also shows undeniable proof that he created the the sport in the first place, and that he has rights to royalties paid to him for every soccer tournament ever held. Which means everyone, from you all the way to FIFA will have to pay him money every time anybody so much wants to arrange a broadcasted tounrmanent. Sounds incredibly stupid right? I understand that IP rights are meant to protect developers, but that right has been abused for far too long and far too much by greedy corporations. Except if someone was allowed to patent Soccer, they would have monopoly and could do what Blizzard is doing. I believe you are not allowed to register sports. Who says i cant? Sure i cant patent sports like soccer or football or basketball, because they've existed for so long and is considered public domain, but I could invent a new sport called Extreme Nude Footbasketball, patent it, and from now on anybody who wants to play it or makes tournaments from my game, they'll have to follow my rules and pay me royalties. Imagine if instead of SC, Blizzard instead has a patent for Soccer. Imagine that you can only play on Blizzard-certified fields with Blizzard-certified balls with Blizzard-certified rules, or else you get banned from ever playing Soccer unless you pay $60 to get your ban lifted. Imagine that every time anybody ever wants to set up a tournament, they'd have to pay Blizzard royalty fees. Imagine that in every tournament, you'll need to invite a Blizzard employee over so that they can unlock the ball so that it wont lag so much. Except Blizzard made 'Soccer' in this case. Unlike Soccer, Starcraft is NOT of the public domain. And unlike Soccer, Starcraft is NOT a real sport, it's a game, that also belongs to an intellectual property, CREATED by a currently existing and functioning company. If there was any way to prove that soccer as it exists was created by a single man or entity, and if it was actually true, then that entity or man would most certainly be all over that shit. Speaking of Soccer, FIFA? gets to act like they made soccer and they own it as the 'official' governing body, simply because there isn't exactly a real definite group that 'created' soccer to put FIFA in their place (imo the people of the world, Some South American Tribe that invented it, England, and the rest of the world, in that order). And you know what? That organization is a money grubbing, greedy, and one of the world most corrupt disaster of an institution, probably something everything that KeSPA aspires to be. There's more than just evidence that Blizzard CREATED, PUBLISHED, and OWNS the intellectual property of Starcraft. They fucking made it, they're entitled to do whatever they want with the intellectual property and the product lines from the said property. They let KeSPA do their thing for a while, and then they decided they'd rather they didn't anymore, because they want to advance their vision of where they want the intellectual property to be headed towards. Why is this so complicated? There are no good analogies for this that remotely qualify your stance.
Sadly, international laws in general are just a fucking pain in the ass, and the greedy Korean organizations are allowed to continue acting like a petulant child about being 'robbed of' something that wasn't really theirs in the first place. ps. I know as someone who doesn't post here often, that I may be out of place. If I get temp-banned for this, I understand. I just felt it had to be said. This IS a forum after all. The complicated thing is just because Blizzard CREATED, PUBLISHED and OWN the intellectual property of Starcraft, that doesn't mean they own THE PROFESSIONAL GAMING SCENE that was grown and cultured largely by Kespa. Tell me, how many other Blizzard games that have survived for so long in competitive gaming with so many players like Starcraft? The answer is ZERO. I assure you, without Kespa actually making a commitment in growing the profesional gaming scene, Starcraft would have died 6-7 years ago or even sooner, regardless of how 'balanced' or 'great' 'or unique' the game was. Even the success of SCII was largely riding on the popularity of Starcraft 1 profesional scene, you know, the same exact professional scene that Kespa has spent years nurturing? It's like i rented a a rickety apartment from you, and then i furnished that apartment with all the cool furniture and wallpaper and carpeting and cool entertainment system and airconditioning and and fixed the plumbing and lighting and shit, and then 5 months later suddenly you decided you want your apartment back along with all the improvements i've made to the apartment including all the furniture and stuff, and when i told you that i made all those improvements, you tell me that i can stay but my rent is gonna be raised because the place looks soooo much nicer now. But hey that's greedy corporations for you.
blizzard owes kespa or any other esport company absolutely nothing. at the end of the day unless you want to buy blizzard out you'll do what they say if it means paying royalties towards their game used in tourneys/live streams/etc, just stfu and do it or don't play the game. it's that simple. I wish they'd lessen their hold on the product but that's not the case anymore.
you think they care about a small community like esports? they got enough money to pump out wow expansions till it dies like guitar hero.
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On March 04 2011 10:14 Asparagus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2011 22:24 Rashid wrote:On March 03 2011 21:19 pikey26 wrote:On March 03 2011 14:09 Rashid wrote:On March 03 2011 13:30 mprs wrote:On March 03 2011 13:03 Rashid wrote:On March 03 2011 10:18 ImBakedBro wrote:
this whole situation is bit dumb honestly, i understand that in korea BW had become a big part of the culture but what they have 2 understand is it is Blizzard's game, now matter how they twist or turn it and right now it just sounds like SE has a bitter taste in their mouth from feeling "fucked over" by blizzard, however complete negligence to take into consideration the way BW had been part of the culture and how these companies turned a great RTS into YEARS of entertainment blizzard is also at fault, so in short i feel as if blizzard is a candy company, these korean companies r employs who have been stealing candy from them for years, and now blizzard finally cracked down on them while they had their mouths stuffed and little did the store owner know its employees had gained a candy addiction, so basically i feel like blizzard is still in the process of getting its employees out of its store, and with WCG on the line any result here is going to be felt through out the E-sport community, its kinda sad that these big corps play such a crucial role in our entertainment.... so? it's not like kespa pirated the games. they bought the copies legit like everybody else. Kespa merely uses the game as a means to conduct sporting events, just like you buy golf clubs and balls and a country club membership card to play golf, or buy a ball and book a field to play soccer. let me put it this way, imagine your favorite sport. Lets say it's soccer. Soccer is a public sport right? Nobody owns soccer. But soccer didn't just exist out of nowhere; somebody had to invent it sometime in the past. Imagine the inventor of soccer suddenly rises from the dead one day, and not only that, he also shows undeniable proof that he created the the sport in the first place, and that he has rights to royalties paid to him for every soccer tournament ever held. Which means everyone, from you all the way to FIFA will have to pay him money every time anybody so much wants to arrange a broadcasted tounrmanent. Sounds incredibly stupid right? I understand that IP rights are meant to protect developers, but that right has been abused for far too long and far too much by greedy corporations. Except if someone was allowed to patent Soccer, they would have monopoly and could do what Blizzard is doing. I believe you are not allowed to register sports. Who says i cant? Sure i cant patent sports like soccer or football or basketball, because they've existed for so long and is considered public domain, but I could invent a new sport called Extreme Nude Footbasketball, patent it, and from now on anybody who wants to play it or makes tournaments from my game, they'll have to follow my rules and pay me royalties. Imagine if instead of SC, Blizzard instead has a patent for Soccer. Imagine that you can only play on Blizzard-certified fields with Blizzard-certified balls with Blizzard-certified rules, or else you get banned from ever playing Soccer unless you pay $60 to get your ban lifted. Imagine that every time anybody ever wants to set up a tournament, they'd have to pay Blizzard royalty fees. Imagine that in every tournament, you'll need to invite a Blizzard employee over so that they can unlock the ball so that it wont lag so much. Except Blizzard made 'Soccer' in this case. Unlike Soccer, Starcraft is NOT of the public domain. And unlike Soccer, Starcraft is NOT a real sport, it's a game, that also belongs to an intellectual property, CREATED by a currently existing and functioning company. If there was any way to prove that soccer as it exists was created by a single man or entity, and if it was actually true, then that entity or man would most certainly be all over that shit. Speaking of Soccer, FIFA? gets to act like they made soccer and they own it as the 'official' governing body, simply because there isn't exactly a real definite group that 'created' soccer to put FIFA in their place (imo the people of the world, Some South American Tribe that invented it, England, and the rest of the world, in that order). And you know what? That organization is a money grubbing, greedy, and one of the world most corrupt disaster of an institution, probably something everything that KeSPA aspires to be. There's more than just evidence that Blizzard CREATED, PUBLISHED, and OWNS the intellectual property of Starcraft. They fucking made it, they're entitled to do whatever they want with the intellectual property and the product lines from the said property. They let KeSPA do their thing for a while, and then they decided they'd rather they didn't anymore, because they want to advance their vision of where they want the intellectual property to be headed towards. Why is this so complicated? There are no good analogies for this that remotely qualify your stance.
Sadly, international laws in general are just a fucking pain in the ass, and the greedy Korean organizations are allowed to continue acting like a petulant child about being 'robbed of' something that wasn't really theirs in the first place. ps. I know as someone who doesn't post here often, that I may be out of place. If I get temp-banned for this, I understand. I just felt it had to be said. This IS a forum after all. The complicated thing is just because Blizzard CREATED, PUBLISHED and OWN the intellectual property of Starcraft, that doesn't mean they own THE PROFESSIONAL GAMING SCENE that was grown and cultured largely by Kespa. Tell me, how many other Blizzard games that have survived for so long in competitive gaming with so many players like Starcraft? The answer is ZERO. I assure you, without Kespa actually making a commitment in growing the profesional gaming scene, Starcraft would have died 6-7 years ago or even sooner, regardless of how 'balanced' or 'great' 'or unique' the game was. Even the success of SCII was largely riding on the popularity of Starcraft 1 profesional scene, you know, the same exact professional scene that Kespa has spent years nurturing? It's like i rented a a rickety apartment from you, and then i furnished that apartment with all the cool furniture and wallpaper and carpeting and cool entertainment system and airconditioning and and fixed the plumbing and lighting and shit, and then 5 months later suddenly you decided you want your apartment back along with all the improvements i've made to the apartment including all the furniture and stuff, and when i told you that i made all those improvements, you tell me that i can stay but my rent is gonna be raised because the place looks soooo much nicer now. But hey that's greedy corporations for you. blizzard owes kespa or any other esport company absolutely nothing. at the end of the day unless you want to buy blizzard out you'll do what they say if it means paying royalties towards their game used in tourneys/live streams/etc, just stfu and do it or don't play the game. it's that simple. I wish they'd lessen their hold on the product but that's not the case anymore. you think they care about a small community like esports? they got enough money to pump out wow expansions till it dies like guitar hero.
blizzard owes kespa and the professional scene in general EVERYTHING. It's the reason why their games are selling like hotcakes. Do you honestly think that games like Starcraft will have anybody playing for +10 years if it werent for kespa promoting or organizing tournamants?
you want to know what Starcraft 2 would have been like if the professional scene for the first Starcraft 1 never existed? Look for games like CnC3 and Red Alert 3. Both of those games are leagues above Starcraft 2 in terms of gameplay, innovation, and fun, and they were both made specifically for online competitive gaming in mind, but hoho both games collapsed and forgotten because nobody cares about them anymore. And then EA no longer gives a damn and churn out a shitty CnC4 before promptly firing the whole CnC team so they can relocate their budget to make more war shooters lol.
look at it this way, there is a reason why Starcraft and Broodwar are still selling at a reasonable price after more than 10 years while games like CnC Red Alert and Tiberium Sun are now free for download at EA's official site, and it sure as hell isn't because of nostalgia.
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