EPTBlizzard Games may be excluded from WCG2011 - Page 20
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PainUser
United States206 Posts
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HeIios
Sweden2523 Posts
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
On February 28 2011 07:45 Rage178 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2011 12:50 aimaimaim wrote: it started last year .. when SC2 came out .. This is because when for Blizzard's puppet to start earning revenue (GOMtv) popularity for BW needs to decrease, forcing SC2 to increase popularity as the forced alternative. I don't have a problem with this. I have a problem with KeSPA trying to beat more money out of the dead horse they call SC:BW and the fact that they are essentially forcing some players to stay on BW teams, not allowing them to switch to the ever growing SC2. KeSPA is the black dragon here, I follow the blue dragon....Blizz. Expect more to come from Blizzard, Samsung is just throwing a hissy fit. Just so you know .. BW isn't a dead horse ... You people don't realize that Samsung/WCG is trying to dodge a lawsuit. And they are waiting for the current case to end so that there wont be more disturbance on the IP Lawsuit fiasco. Hating Samsung for making this move is just being fanboy ignorant. There wouldn't have been this problem if Blizzard sorted this out earlier. Why wait for this to happen when they could have filed a lawsuit when KeSPA was not cooperating with them back in 2007? BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE BAD FOR P.R. Blizzard wanted to file the lawsuit following the release of SC2. Now, they risk having their games not being shown on the ONLY tournament where players from around the world can compete and represent their respective countries on a game they love to play. I've seen many ads regarding Starcraft on the least possible place (A FUCKING AIRPLANE for example). How can Blizzard not want WCG to advertise their game? Also, to add regarding players being forced to play the game. You do know they can quit, right? You know a player of SC2 who call himself MVP, right? He was an ex-BW gamer right? They aren't forcing them to play. They are being payed to play the game. There's a HUUUGE difference. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5887 Posts
On February 28 2011 19:24 HeIios wrote: I'm sure blizzard is very concerned about recieving the money from the drop of ESPORTS in the ocean that is Blizzard/Activision ... Most of you demonize either Kespa or Blizzard, but in reality Blizzard only really wanted their own label on their own product, and Kespa wanted nothing to do with Blizzard. Now the fans are suffering and I think it's easy to see who is to blame. What a load of bullshit. Blizzard only wanted their own label on their own product? What? Did you read the list of their ridiculous demands? No sane person would agree to that bullshit. Blizzard did that knowing KeSPA won't accept such terms, and if they do, they're basically handing over the whole industry to blizzard. | ||
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Suvorov
294 Posts
On February 28 2011 11:27 Manifesto7 wrote: Pretty sure some white people play basketball too yo. I know that, as do we all. However, today, the majority of top-level players in the NBA are african americans. What they bring to the game is undeniable and that's what I wanted to convey with my comment. On February 28 2011 11:27 Manifesto7 wrote: And don't call people "Mr. Fail". It makes me not care about your post. I jokingly said Mr.Fail not because he 'fails' but because his reply to one of my posts in question began with the phrase 'this post is so full of fail'. Hence the nickname. | ||
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HeIios
Sweden2523 Posts
On March 01 2011 00:00 maybenexttime wrote: What a load of bullshit. Blizzard only wanted their own label on their own product? What? Did you read the list of their ridiculous demands? No sane person would agree to that bullshit. Blizzard did that knowing KeSPA won't accept such terms, and if they do, they're basically handing over the whole industry to blizzard. I was looking at the entirety of the feud between Blizzard and Kespa, not just selectively at the most recent events. The "ridiculous demands" as you call them only came in much later, to combat the complete and utter denial of Kespa to negotiate with Blizzard when televized BW just started off. So Kespa acted like a big entitled baby and now the gig is up and they are wailing and screaming and fighting with Blizzard in the sandbox. But Kespa is to blame, regardless if we believe that they are entitled or not. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5887 Posts
On March 01 2011 01:33 HeIios wrote: I was looking at the entirety of the feud between Blizzard and Kespa, not just selectively at the most recent events. The "ridiculous demands" as you call them only came in much later, to combat the complete and utter denial of Kespa to negotiate with Blizzard when televized BW just started off. So Kespa acted like a big entitled baby and now the gig is up and they are wailing and screaming and fighting with Blizzard in the sandbox. But Kespa is to blame, regardless if we believe that they are entitled or not. You're making shit up. How can anybody take you seriously? First of all, when televised BW started off, there was no KeSPA yet, so how come they somehow denied to negotiate with blizzard? Second of all, HanBit Soft, the official distributor of StarCraft in Korea, got blizzard's consent. Last but not least, blizzard only started "negotiating" (more suitable would be the term "blackmailing") with KeSPA several years after Korea created the BW esports scene. Not to mention the fact that your claim of KeSPA refusing to negotiate is laughable in itself, as it was blizzard that was constantly breaking off the negotiations every time sc2 was getting delayed... Your post is full of shit. You're blatantly lying. If anyone's to blame, it's obviously blizzard here. They show their hyporcisy when it comes to "promoting and caring for esports" time and time again. | ||
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aznboi918
United States70 Posts
On February 25 2011 17:07 Milkis wrote: WCG is a separate organization, it's just that Samsung Electronics is one of their main sponsors. WCG had a huge deficit during WCG 2010 in LA, so they've been downsizing and such, which is why they're hosting in Korea from what I can tell Which is why I don't understand it was hosted in LA in the first place... They should make sure first that they wouldn't have such a huge deficit... I mean it was spectacular in China and every year in Korea and most of the Euro countries... Samsung is being crzy... Blizzard... is going crzy... this whole e-sport thing is gonna get fucked up now... wow... Without blizzard games there is nothing to watch at WCG and without OGN/Kespa/Koreans there's not as much popularity... jesus....... Those corporations gotta work it out together grrr lol. | ||
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aznboi918
United States70 Posts
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LosingID8
CA10835 Posts
that is such a ridiculous statement | ||
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LosingID8
CA10835 Posts
has kespa made dumb decisions in the past? absolutely, no one will refute that. but to say that they are terrible for esports? that's insane. these same companies that you're accusing have given millions of dollars to sponsor the proteams over the past 10 years. | ||
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HeIios
Sweden2523 Posts
On March 01 2011 02:02 maybenexttime wrote: You're making shit up. How can anybody take you seriously? First of all, when televised BW started off, there was no KeSPA yet, so how come they somehow denied to negotiate with blizzard? Second of all, HanBit Soft, the official distributor of StarCraft in Korea, got blizzard's consent. Last but not least, blizzard only started "negotiating" (more suitable would be the term "blackmailing") with KeSPA several years after Korea created the BW esports scene. Not to mention the fact that your claim of KeSPA refusing to negotiate is laughable in itself, as it was blizzard that was constantly breaking off the negotiations every time sc2 was getting delayed... Your post is full of shit. You're blatantly lying. If anyone's to blame, it's obviously blizzard here. They show their hyporcisy when it comes to "promoting and caring for esports" time and time again. First of all, you seem very hot and bothered. Second of all, read this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174061 That would be all, pardon for polluting this thread. | ||
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purecarnagge
719 Posts
On March 01 2011 02:29 aznboi918 wrote: All these corps need to stop thinking about money and start thinking about the good of e-sports... srsly.... this bullshit needs to stop -_- Yes, a corporation will forget about $$$$ thats it. You must be brilliant in business. Bottom line is KESPA doesn't have offical licensing and consent to continue to do business. They are unwilling to obtain it. Its blizzards capacity to say yes or no. KESPA isn't offering anything, so Blizzard is saying no you don't. KESPA will lose in court. S.Korea has become more and more legitimate with copyright infringment recently, specifically in the international market. | ||
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mmdmmd
722 Posts
On March 01 2011 01:33 HeIios wrote: I was looking at the entirety of the feud between Blizzard and Kespa, not just selectively at the most recent events. The "ridiculous demands" as you call them only came in much later, to combat the complete and utter denial of Kespa to negotiate with Blizzard when televized BW just started off. So Kespa acted like a big entitled baby and now the gig is up and they are wailing and screaming and fighting with Blizzard in the sandbox. But Kespa is to blame, regardless if we believe that they are entitled or not. You made up that line in Bold. Nuff said | ||
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mmdmmd
722 Posts
On March 01 2011 03:24 LosingID8 wrote: if you removed kespa from the equation we're going to go back to the stone age of professional gaming where people live in pcbangs eating ramen 3x a day. I wish Blizz can see this too. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5887 Posts
On March 01 2011 03:49 HeIios wrote: First of all, you seem very hot and bothered. Second of all, read this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174061 That would be all, pardon for polluting this thread. I'm pissed off because it's rare for me to read such nonesensial posts like yours. Go read the numerous thread on the issue and stop outright lying in your posts. | ||
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anatem
Romania1369 Posts
blizz isn't trying to take down kespa or the like, they just want to always play the tune that tournaments run on their games dance to, which is undeniably their legal right, regardless of whether or not they fail the moral aspects or if it is good for them in the long run to behave in such a way (upsetting the consumer/spectator base) | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3569 Posts
On February 28 2011 19:05 PainUser wrote: Cell phone games WCG 2011 GO!!!!!!! WCG : World Cellphone Games ! On topic : SC2 should not be allowed as a WCG official game because it requires an internet connection : that s against the spirit of getting together to share an offline moment Though BW or WC3 would be missed... | ||
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slappy
United States1271 Posts
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
What Blizzard needs to do to make this a good e-sports game is to put in LAN feature and let the community do it's magic. The way they are clawing on to it right now will get it no where. Except that it is getting somewhere. SC2 is huge as an e-sport. There are tournaments hourly. People can make a living playing in SC2 tournaments if they're good enough. And all this is happening outside of Korea, where eSports barely existed a year ago. More of it might be happening inside of SK if KeSPA had just negotiated in good faith with Blizzard and come to a reasonable licensing agreement. But no; they couldn't do that. So I don't see how LAN would change anything about SC2's viability as an eSport. It's more likely that you just want LAN play, not that it's actually important. On topic : SC2 should not be allowed as a WCG official game because it requires an internet connection : that s against the spirit of getting together to share an offline moment That's ridiculous. There's nothing in WCG that requires that games not involve internet connections. | ||
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