Blizzard Games may be excluded from WCG2011 - Page 18

On February 26 2011 18:41 maybenexttime wrote:


Stop making shit up. KeSPA never pulled all the players. Most teams had valid reason to pull out of that shitty tournament (sure it had English caster, but overall the production level was very low, I'd say garbage compared to KeSPA leagues).

Gretech staff have made it clear they want ProLeague out of the equation since it's damaging their own league (because they can't make it good enough to appeal to their own audience).



Trying to negotiate? Don't make me laugh... Did you see the list of their demands? They were saying "give everything you've worked so hard to build and spent hundreds of millions of dollars on for all those years, while promoting out own franchise or else we're shutting your business down". That is not negotiating. That's blackmail at best. ;;

Also according to MBC (if I recall correctly) Hanbit Soft had an agreement with blizzard as regards the esports side of BW in Korea. They were the distributor of StarCraft in Korea (and I assume other blizzard titles) and a member of KeSPA at the same time. Blizzard never voiced any concerns.

On February 27 2011 11:26 dogabutila wrote:
So the easy answer is to just get WCG to drop samsung as a sponsor and get a new one....

On February 26 2011 18:15 Suvorov wrote:


Completely agree with you Greg. It's part of the new attitude at blizzard ever since activision/vivendi took over. In the name of profits, they are literally stopping the blizz-related esports community as a whole from thriving and growing to what it should be.

Often I hear the question "Why don't e-sports become as big as sports'? Gee let's see what sports have and sc2 doesn't:

SPORTS
1.- Can play football, soccer, basketball, volleyball, etc without supervision
2.- Can play the above officially or unoficially
3.- Can start your own tournies without paying any royalties to anyone
4.- Can profit from any business endeavours related to them
5.- Because of all the points above, there's 10000 tournaments, leagues and opportunities for rising players to shine and current starts to keep on shining

E-SPORTS (SC2 namely)
1.- CAN ONLY play it ONLINE, ONLY through battle.net supervision
2.- Can only play officially through b.net
3.- Gotta pay license fees (if they even let you run for-profit tournies) to daddy blizzard
4.- Can't seem to profit from anything related to the game unless you pay your dues
5.- Very few quality tournaments with very little access to unheard of players, let alone rising teams, the biggest of which is in Korea and well uhmm, not everybody wants/can/plans to go there

Not letting people get involved closer to the game almost certainly guarantees it won't grow big. And yes blizzard, if people invest a good portion of their time into doing so, they expect profits, plain and simple. The soccer hats vendor makes a profit. The guy that sells autographed tshirts makes a profit, the guy that produces footballs makes a profit, etc. etc.

How do you pretend e-sports will grow with these retarded limitations? It's a miracle SCBW became what it did despite all odds being against it. And now that Korea and its people finally made it all possible and set all the precedents...you're trying to cut them out of the game or at least steal their hard work and/or profit from it?

Where were you when scbw had seemingly died (commercially) and koreans kept playing the game?
Did you ever fix the b.net ladder?
Did you ever organize a real tournament?
Did you ever support the birth of an e-sports movement for scbw?

Yeah, that's what I thought. I support Samsung/Kespa.

My favorite part of these arguments is the casting of Blizzard as some big mean money stealing bully and Samsung as the underdog

Samsung is the largest and most powerful company in Korea, their net worth dwarfs that of Blizzard/Activision. They also happen to be fairly corrupt and shady themselves.

On February 27 2011 18:38 zobz wrote:
The whole idea of basing a sport on something which is privately owned is inherently flawed. That was the risky decision of us as fans and of Korean league organizers. The problem is that Blizzard doesn't owe us esports just because we want to have it, and Blizzard doesn't owe KeSPA esports just because they made a huge investment in it without Blizzard's consent.

On February 26 2011 20:52 MaYuu wrote:


This post is pure gold. I love you man.

On February 26 2011 21:12 Raelgar wrote:


Blizzard started it's lawsuit in 2007 after KeSPA started demanding money from the broadcasting stations for showing the BW tournaments. And guess what that is ,by the terms that everyone has to agree to when you install BW, pretty much illegal. It doesnt matter what KeSPA did before and after that, they have no legal basis to demand money for a product that they do not own. End of story

and come on do you really believe that KeSPA didnt pull their players from the GOM league? How naive can you be. But of course they all had reasons lol. Every company has reasons for not admitting the truth.