EPT[Update] choyafOu penalized by GomTV for ladder abuse - Pa…
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Gudeldar
United States1200 Posts
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
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nakam
Sweden245 Posts
It amazes me that tournaments, such as GSL or Blizzard actually uses the meaningless rating to decide upon such important things as invites to tournaments. | ||
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Warp
United States166 Posts
My biggest question is: So even if you play a fair game of rock/paper/scissors, why would the loser leave? Maybe it would work in top pro level with more famous players who have integrity, but with random people on the internet? Seriously, no one on the internet is nice. If they win, they win, if they lose, they play a straight up game. Kinda stupid if you ask me. | ||
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CaleGibbard
Canada2 Posts
After all, what kind of ladder system rewards players for playing games randomly? The "outrage" probably should not be so much pointed in choyafOu's direction as aimed at the designers of the ladder system. There are a lot of ways to avoid this sort of problem systematically. Probably simply ditching this system of points and exposing the MMR ranks directly (assuming that they're computed in a manner which is at all sane) would be a great way to start. Games which end too quickly or with no units lost by either player could also be ignored by the system (though that's not really foolproof on its own). Just assigning points to wins and losses in a saner manner would be another reasonable way to go. Don't be angry with people who game the system, be angry with the system for needlessly being game-able in the first place. | ||
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Ratel
Canada184 Posts
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k20
United States342 Posts
On January 14 2011 07:15 Warp wrote: This has been blown wayy out of proportion. My biggest question is: So even if you play a fair game of rock/paper/scissors, why would the loser leave? Maybe it would work in top pro level with more famous players who have integrity, but with random people on the internet? Seriously, no one on the internet is nice. If they win, they win, if they lose, they play a straight up game. Kinda stupid if you ask me. I'm also wondering this. Scandal sure is a fun word to say though. Scandal scandal scandal! | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On January 14 2011 04:58 Falling wrote: So the abuse starts already. Sure it might seem funny for choya because he's already in Code S, but it doesn't set the standard very high for anyone else. Particularly as they're starting to use ladder results to determine B Leagues. Immediately, I thought of this link from Guybrush's BW histories: http://web.archive.org/web/20011122033813/broodwar.com/comments/index.ihtml?id=1966 This is not a good start however 'funny' or 'lame scandal' this may be. We really don't want to go down this road. I'm pretty sure the reason why the rating system is hidden was specifically so that people couldn't game the system. Wow, that link is absolutely crazy. Such big names on there no less! | ||
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resilve
United Kingdom678 Posts
Everyone that accepts his offer is as 'guilty' or unethical as him. The decision does not rest in his hands as to whether they accept, and whether the game is fair or decided on chance. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On January 14 2011 07:11 nakam wrote: Isn't this all due to the fundamental flaw of Blizzard's rating system? Ranking is almost exclusively based upon number of games played instead of actual skill. If ELO system was introduced or some variant of it (zero sum, where loser loses the same points the winner wins), this certainly wouldn't happen and rating would start to mean something. It amazes me that tournaments, such as GSL or Blizzard actually uses the meaningless rating to decide upon such important things as invites to tournaments. It pretty much is :\ Way too much weight is placed on number of games played as opposed to consistency of winning. | ||
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HenL
Norway111 Posts
There was massive cheating in the pro ladders of wc3 which qualified you for big lans. | ||
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ClanRH.TV
United States462 Posts
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Meteora.GB
Canada2479 Posts
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JamesNK
New Zealand6 Posts
Blizzard should easily be able to detected players with an unusually high number of short games and then simply reset their score to zero. | ||
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Moosy
Canada396 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10383 Posts
although there is a slight problem whether or not this should be considered abuse, since things like blizzcon sc2 tournaments are decided by highest ladder players (some tournies i mean) Something like this could be fixed (or rather, restricted) by adding a rule like if you leave before 90 seconds the match doesn't count. Question: how does this rock paper scissors thing work? | ||
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
Pros and community figures (like commentators/coaches) need to be very careful about the things they do on their public accounts. People watch their every move, and whether you think it's just for fun or not, things can quickly get out of hand. Someone like Choya should keep a private account just for fun, and importantly, never tell anyone its info. Personally, I think win trading is hardly worth discussing. You'll never be able to trade enough wins to amount to anything, but the mass of angry nerds could take it the wrong way and think its the end of the world. | ||
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Waderade
Canada29 Posts
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HeroHenry
United States1723 Posts
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