This whole thing is ridiculous. If a tournament decides to accept people through Blizzard's Ladder without any additional investigation they are accepting the ladder system with all its flaws as a measure of qualification for their individual tournament. That is their decision and it is completely separate from the decisions blizzard makes in how they want to run their ladder. The onus is 100% on the tournament. No ladder system is perfect and there will always be ways of exploiting the system whether it is major ones like maphacking or more minor ones like deciding not to queue when people you feel have an advantage against you are queuing. If you want to accept a ladder as a form of qualification you have to accept its current flaws and at best try to point out those flaws to the entity that runs the ladder.

ShatterZer0

United States1843 Posts

January 14 2011 01:23 GMT

#303

On January 13 2011 17:35 Eluadyl wrote:
I think he was trying to be sarcastic and criticize SCII, claiming it's nothing more than rock-paper-scissors in his own way.

I think you're going something like 6 feet too deep.

CosmicHippo

United States547 Posts

January 14 2011 01:37 GMT

#304

On January 13 2011 17:29 IdrA wrote:
if he wants games decided by random chance he could just play the way he always does

HAHA, ahh man hell yeah, Idra for life man

xza

Singapore1600 Posts

January 14 2011 01:54 GMT

#305

If he wants to play it on rock paper scissors, he might aswell dont play SC2

GenesisX

Canada4267 Posts

January 14 2011 02:06 GMT

#306

Honestly I don't know why Blizzard's ladder is so screwed up. Every game I play in master's league lists the opponent as favoured. I've asked my opponents several times, and they say they see me as favoured... So if you win you get a ton of points and if you lose you lose very little, (-2, -1, sometimes even 0)
(Will ask in Master League thread)

Sanguinarius

United States3427 Posts

January 14 2011 02:39 GMT

#307

He might be trying to cover up his match history?

summerloud

Austria1201 Posts

January 14 2011 03:23 GMT

#308

what a faggot. now im beginning to think that maybe he did lose vs mvp on purpose today...

MOOG

United States188 Posts

January 14 2011 03:49 GMT

#309

On January 14 2011 12:23 summerloud wrote:
what a faggot. now im beginning to think that maybe he did lose vs mvp on purpose today...

that's quite a slippery slope of logic there.

loving it

Canada271 Posts

January 14 2011 03:54 GMT

#310

This............ is ridiculous? I mean sure its sort of ... bad mannered to do... but..... How different would this situation be if just your average joe did it? Sometimes celebrity attention to things overhype them.

tensionz

United States130 Posts

January 14 2011 04:04 GMT

#311

Funny/sad.

Trinz

Australia72 Posts

January 14 2011 04:52 GMT

#312

On January 13 2011 17:30 vyyye wrote:
How on Earth is this a scandal? Can't see why he would need to apologize.

It's blatant cheating. Its rather hilarious though. He also cheesed his team mate last night on GSL. He has no shame

kidd

United States2848 Posts

January 14 2011 05:20 GMT

#313

On January 13 2011 17:29 IdrA wrote:
if he wants games decided by random chance he could just play the way he always does

I usually hate the gracken's little snide remakes, but this is hilarious and incredibly true.

On topic, I don't endorse ladder abuse, in any form, at all, but I feel this is extra stupid though I'm really not surprised or care that Choya is doing it.

iGX

Australia414 Posts

January 14 2011 05:54 GMT

#314

i don't think it's a scandal but i guess since sc2 or e-sports in general is such a big market and career move in korea, doing something like this would be a question of ethics. and it can definitely affect ones reputation and career.

though he has no unethical motives, this rock paper scissors thing does also affect his opportunity in large tournaments held by blizzard internally. skill wise i'm sure he can stand his own ground but there is a huge opportunity cost of further actual practising time. sorry if i missed anything vital cos i really couldn't be bothered to read every post of every page.

waste potential practise time? yes.
scandal? hardly.

EliteReplay

Dominican Republic913 Posts

January 14 2011 06:03 GMT

#315

this is not a scandal as i see it, he just did it for fun, he anyways is a CODE S.

Boof

Canada77 Posts

January 14 2011 06:42 GMT

#316

I just had a small aneurysm thinking that there are people out there that actually give a fuck about this other than to have a giggle and move on...

Xeph

Korea (South)191 Posts

January 14 2011 07:17 GMT

#317

GSL accnounced disciplinary action for choyafOu.

Reason: Ladder abusing(confirmed that was not for his ladder point)
Disciplinary action: 1. Disqualified from entering GSTL on Feb 2. Disqualified from entering GSL if he do this again.
Expiration date: 2011 12 31

http://esports.gomtv.com/gsl/community/view.gom?mbid=2&msgid=5788&p=1

Updated on OP also.

gulati

United States2241 Posts

January 14 2011 07:41 GMT

#318

My question is.. who would agree to this? If I were on a similar skill-level as choya (I am not even close), I would never rock/paper/scissor.. that seems like something a Silver would do...

aztrorisk

United States896 Posts

January 14 2011 08:07 GMT

#319

Obviously Choya is doing this because he wants to play rock-paper-scissors instead of SC2. He always viewed his record as how good he can "rock-paper-scissors" instead of his SC2 ranking. The only reason he does this on SC2 is because there are no good rock paper scissors websites.

zobz

Canada2175 Posts

January 14 2011 10:43 GMT

#320

A sport thats winners aren't determined by skill is no sport at all, and such a completely meaningless, valueless enterprise has no business existing in the first place. Whoever looked at this quallification system and decided it was good enough did not do their job and should never have been payed. Likewise, whatever sportsman willingly embraces the lack of skill required to win and exploits it in order to make his living, is no sportsman.