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elementz
Profile Joined October 2010
United States281 Posts
January 14 2011 00:42 GMT
#301
he was trying to speed up the process of erasing his game history really.
this mah s#$%$
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-14 01:16:47
January 14 2011 01:16 GMT
#302
This whole thing is ridiculous. If a tournament decides to accept people through Blizzard's Ladder without any additional investigation they are accepting the ladder system with all its flaws as a measure of qualification for their individual tournament. That is their decision and it is completely separate from the decisions blizzard makes in how they want to run their ladder. The onus is 100% on the tournament. No ladder system is perfect and there will always be ways of exploiting the system whether it is major ones like maphacking or more minor ones like deciding not to queue when people you feel have an advantage against you are queuing. If you want to accept a ladder as a form of qualification you have to accept its current flaws and at best try to point out those flaws to the entity that runs the ladder.
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
January 14 2011 01:23 GMT
#303
On January 13 2011 17:35 Eluadyl wrote:
I think he was trying to be sarcastic and criticize SCII, claiming it's nothing more than rock-paper-scissors in his own way.


I think you're going something like 6 feet too deep.
A time to live.
CosmicHippo
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States547 Posts
January 14 2011 01:37 GMT
#304
On January 13 2011 17:29 IdrA wrote:
if he wants games decided by random chance he could just play the way he always does

HAHA, ahh man hell yeah, Idra for life man
Yeah i've got your zerg riiiight here! *gulps beer*
xza
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore1600 Posts
January 14 2011 01:54 GMT
#305
If he wants to play it on rock paper scissors, he might aswell dont play SC2
"What a terrible final. This is why BO3s are horrible. Seriously MKP vs Moon in a final and having it BO3 is like having Mila Kunis naked in your bed and all she'll give you is a HJ with her PJs on. Pffffffffffffffftt." -greatZERG
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
January 14 2011 02:06 GMT
#306
Honestly I don't know why Blizzard's ladder is so screwed up. Every game I play in master's league lists the opponent as favoured. I've asked my opponents several times, and they say they see me as favoured... So if you win you get a ton of points and if you lose you lose very little, (-2, -1, sometimes even 0)
(Will ask in Master League thread)
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Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
January 14 2011 02:39 GMT
#307
He might be trying to cover up his match history?
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
summerloud
Profile Joined March 2010
Austria1201 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-14 03:23:24
January 14 2011 03:23 GMT
#308
what a faggot. now im beginning to think that maybe he did lose vs mvp on purpose today...
MOOG
Profile Joined October 2010
United States188 Posts
January 14 2011 03:49 GMT
#309
On January 14 2011 12:23 summerloud wrote:
what a faggot. now im beginning to think that maybe he did lose vs mvp on purpose today...


that's quite a slippery slope of logic there.
To Do: 1. finish the rest of my practice league matches 2. win GSL
loving it
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada271 Posts
January 14 2011 03:54 GMT
#310
This............ is ridiculous? I mean sure its sort of ... bad mannered to do... but..... How different would this situation be if just your average joe did it? Sometimes celebrity attention to things overhype them.
Stay gold.
tensionz
Profile Joined October 2010
United States130 Posts
January 14 2011 04:04 GMT
#311
Funny/sad.
Trinz
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia72 Posts
January 14 2011 04:52 GMT
#312
On January 13 2011 17:30 vyyye wrote:
How on Earth is this a scandal? Can't see why he would need to apologize.


It's blatant cheating. Its rather hilarious though. He also cheesed his team mate last night on GSL. He has no shame
kidd
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States2848 Posts
January 14 2011 05:20 GMT
#313
On January 13 2011 17:29 IdrA wrote:
if he wants games decided by random chance he could just play the way he always does


I usually hate the gracken's little snide remakes, but this is hilarious and incredibly true.

On topic, I don't endorse ladder abuse, in any form, at all, but I feel this is extra stupid though I'm really not surprised or care that Choya is doing it.
Hi
iGX
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia414 Posts
January 14 2011 05:54 GMT
#314
i don't think it's a scandal but i guess since sc2 or e-sports in general is such a big market and career move in korea, doing something like this would be a question of ethics. and it can definitely affect ones reputation and career.

though he has no unethical motives, this rock paper scissors thing does also affect his opportunity in large tournaments held by blizzard internally. skill wise i'm sure he can stand his own ground but there is a huge opportunity cost of further actual practising time. sorry if i missed anything vital cos i really couldn't be bothered to read every post of every page.

waste potential practise time? yes.
scandal? hardly.
When your bases are ashes...then you have my permission to "GG".
EliteReplay
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Dominican Republic913 Posts
January 14 2011 06:03 GMT
#315
this is not a scandal as i see it, he just did it for fun, he anyways is a CODE S.
if play random i can't call any race imba?
Boof
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada77 Posts
January 14 2011 06:42 GMT
#316
I just had a small aneurysm thinking that there are people out there that actually give a fuck about this other than to have a giggle and move on...
Xeph
Profile Joined September 2004
Korea (South)191 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-14 07:18:45
January 14 2011 07:17 GMT
#317
GSL accnounced disciplinary action for choyafOu.

Reason: Ladder abusing(confirmed that was not for his ladder point)
Disciplinary action: 1. Disqualified from entering GSTL on Feb 2. Disqualified from entering GSL if he do this again.
Expiration date: 2011 12 31

http://esports.gomtv.com/gsl/community/view.gom?mbid=2&msgid=5788&p=1

Updated on OP also.
Persistent Pursuit of Perfection
gulati
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2241 Posts
January 14 2011 07:41 GMT
#318
My question is.. who would agree to this? If I were on a similar skill-level as choya (I am not even close), I would never rock/paper/scissor.. that seems like something a Silver would do...
C r u m b l i n g
aztrorisk
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States896 Posts
January 14 2011 08:07 GMT
#319
Obviously Choya is doing this because he wants to play rock-paper-scissors instead of SC2. He always viewed his record as how good he can "rock-paper-scissors" instead of his SC2 ranking. The only reason he does this on SC2 is because there are no good rock paper scissors websites.
A lock that opens to many keys is a bad lock. A key that opens many locks is a master key.
zobz
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada2175 Posts
January 14 2011 10:43 GMT
#320
A sport thats winners aren't determined by skill is no sport at all, and such a completely meaningless, valueless enterprise has no business existing in the first place. Whoever looked at this quallification system and decided it was good enough did not do their job and should never have been payed. Likewise, whatever sportsman willingly embraces the lack of skill required to win and exploits it in order to make his living, is no sportsman.
"That's not gonna be good for business." "That's not gonna be good for anybody."
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