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[Update] choyafOu penalized by GomTV for ladder abuse

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Xeph
Profile Joined September 2004
Korea (South)191 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-14 13:25:13
January 13 2011 08:22 GMT
#1
Now GSL Code S progamer 'choyafOu' is center of rock-paper-scissors scandal.

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On Battle.net ladder matches, he paused the matchs as soon as it started, then suggested opponent to decide winner by rock-paper-scissors. According to choyafOu's match history, he gained over 20 points when he won but lost only 2 points when he lost. With this ladder point system, playing many matches as possible is good. Of course, some of his recent matches had very short playing time like less than a minute. choyafOu is not the only progamer who did this thing.

choyafOu and his coach InsomniafOu admitted this and apologized on PlayXP.


UPDATED 1 on 16:24 KST
GSL accnounced disciplinary action for choyafOu.

Reason: Ladder abusing(confirmed that was not for his ladder point)
Disciplinary action: 1. Disqualified from entering GSTL on Feb 2. Disqualified from entering GSL if he do this again.
Expiration date: 2011 12 31
Link: http://esports.gomtv.com/gsl/community/view.gom?mbid=2&msgid=5788&p=1

UPDATED 2 on 19:46 KST
Jung-Won Chae, the director of Gretech E-Sports Operations and GSL commentator, personally commented to progamers: "Think before you act"

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Plexa(Administrator) added below quote

On January 13 2011 17:48 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Despite ladder not being as prestigious as it could be, there is still prestige involved in laddering, and sometimes it is even used for tournament related things such as qualifiers. What if someone on Europe did this and applied for the spot in the GomTV house. You'd all be freaking out calling him a cheater and abuser.

Bottom line is any player should avoid abuse at all times. He may think it's funny but it's hard to make a difference in what motivates a player to do something (funny playing around, or GomTV house qualifier, Blizzcon selection process or Code-B qualifiers). If White-Ra (picking the person least likely to do this!) did this and made it into the GomTV house, then claimed he was just playing around like Choya, who's to say he wasn't? Or what if nobody ever found out, are you allowed to 'play around' and cheat your way into the GomTV house?

What if it is used to get into Code B qualifiers?

What if it is used to get into Blizzcon (Blizzard picked Huk and Select from the ladder)?

Don't let it come to a situation where you need to judge someones motivation on why he abused the ladder. You will never be able to prove it.

Now I'm not asking you to think Choya is evil because realistically this is relatively innocent. But don't say who cares or what does ladder even matter, because next time it happens and it does have influence on a bigger event you will have to bite your tongue. And you will realize that the attitude of saying ladder abuse is fine because it doesn't matter is what caused all the larger problems to begin. If Blizzard is smart they give him some sort of penalty to let everyone know this is simply not allowed. If they don't it's giving people permission to do the same in preparation for their Code B qualifiers.


UPDATE
1. GSL accnounced disciplinary action for choyafOu.
2. Jung-Won Chae's comment.
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bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
January 13 2011 08:23 GMT
#2
Lol this is hilarious.. Seriously though - choya probably thought people were catching onto his cheese /jokes
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I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
January 13 2011 08:24 GMT
#3
I love that the word scandal is used. Now, admittedly ladder rank matters a little, but Choya is already code S so it can't matter for anything that I can think of.
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psycow
Profile Joined October 2010
55 Posts
January 13 2011 08:25 GMT
#4
SC2 is rock-paper-scissors in 3D anyway. Looks like choyafOu just wanted to drop all pretensions SC2 is anything else.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
January 13 2011 08:25 GMT
#5
What is the point in this? What does he stand to gain from getting high in the ladder when he's already a Code S player?
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Phenny
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1435 Posts
January 13 2011 08:26 GMT
#6
Why does this matter and why is it a scandal?
He offered so they agreed and accepted, they were at liberty to decline him and play out the game normally...
UFO
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
582 Posts
January 13 2011 08:26 GMT
#7
For some reason I find it extremely funny. I also think he did it for fun
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
January 13 2011 08:26 GMT
#8
How does this have anything to do with the GSL? Do they care if he randomly gives/gets free wins on the bnet ladder?
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udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
January 13 2011 08:27 GMT
#9
yeah, don't think it's a big deal since he's code S
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Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
January 13 2011 08:28 GMT
#10
I don't quite follow, so I am sorry if I am missing something obvious. But doesn't this only hurt choyafOu in the sense he is wasting valuable practice time? I didn't know that the GSL cared about the ladder point system. I thought everything was based off of in-house qualifiers. The only tournaments this could effect would be the Blizzard Ladder Invitationals (Isn't there a tournament in the works based on Ladder performance?) and perhaps the odd private tournaments that may be based on league standing.

Again, sorry if I am missing something. Is the scandal just a public relations bump?
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
January 13 2011 08:28 GMT
#11
Oh perhaps he did it trying to cover up his match history? idk.
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SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4729 Posts
January 13 2011 08:28 GMT
#12
Don't see how this even matters lol
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Xeph
Profile Joined September 2004
Korea (South)191 Posts
January 13 2011 08:28 GMT
#13
On January 13 2011 17:25 Plexa wrote:
What is the point in this? What does he stand to gain from getting high in the ladder when he's already a Code S player?

That's why I use the word 'Scandal'
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
January 13 2011 08:29 GMT
#14
if he wants games decided by random chance he could just play the way he always does
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nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
January 13 2011 08:29 GMT
#15
So why should I care? If two random people want to flip a coin for the win, fine by me. He'll probably have a worse win/loss percentage but accumulate points faster.
FlamingTurd
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1059 Posts
January 13 2011 08:29 GMT
#16
What's the difference? Who's to tell Choya how to play anyway? The other people he's playing against are just as guilty if they accept aren't they? So what are they gonna do, ban everyone who accepts his little game also? How silly...
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phil.ipp
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria1067 Posts
January 13 2011 08:29 GMT
#17
i dont see why this should be a scandal?? who gives a fuck what he does with his ladder account.. someone notified this problem to gsl staff?? most ridiculous thing ever.. every bs gets hyped and called a big big scandal..
psycow
Profile Joined October 2010
55 Posts
January 13 2011 08:29 GMT
#18
Even if this is not choyafOu, people can abuse the system to get into master's league with +20 points for a win and only -5 for a loss. Given you can do this faster than playing legitimate games per hour, ++++more points
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-13 08:32:22
January 13 2011 08:30 GMT
#19
How on Earth is this a scandal? Can't see why he would need to apologize.
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
January 13 2011 08:30 GMT
#20
On January 13 2011 17:29 IdrA wrote:
if he wants games decided by random chance he could just play the way he always does

I lol'd...
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