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CalmDown.Breathe
Profile Joined June 2010
United States176 Posts
January 13 2011 09:25 GMT
#61
Stuff like this hurts the credibility of the the GSL imo. The GSL overall hasn't been all that great. There are questionable players that received Code S or are playing in Code A.. players who make you scratch your head and wonder how they got to where they are. When you find out that one of your better Code S players is cheating to increase his rating, it just puts into doubt how good these players really are and what dedication there is to the game. This incident will probably be a blip on the radar in the grand scheme of things, but if this kind of behavior becomes a repetitive occurrence in the scene, it damages the tournament as well as the game as a whole.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-13 09:29:36
January 13 2011 09:27 GMT
#62
Isn't this kind of point win/loss the same as for everyone else as soon as they get into the masters league, at least until things balance out and they reach their MMR when points won/lost stabilise?

Playing a game with a 50/50 chance for quick win/loss only gets him to his MMR faster and spends his bonus points (it'll also probably negatively impact on his win percentage since I'd imagine he was over 50% before)?

I guess it's kind of gaming the system, but I'd imagine it actually hinders him somewhat in the long run.
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
January 13 2011 09:29 GMT
#63
This is just like getting such a low MMR just to farm sc2 avatars.. just happened to become a "scandal" because of him being an S-Class person. Personally though, I might do this for awhile but it loses the point after that. After all, winning legitly is always the best right?
Dear Sixsmith...
Lokian
Profile Joined March 2010
United States699 Posts
January 13 2011 09:30 GMT
#64
Given that the GSL invites top ladder players for Code A preliminaries, these kind of things should be taken into consideration... Although, it can be said that if you do this kind of thing, you still need skill to get into Code A. But to prevent the system from being abused, I think it might be necessary for Blizzard to penalize players that take the easy way out. How this will be monitored? I don't know... Maybe blizzard can implement some sort of auto analysis report to see anything suspicious. It's definitely something that is important and can be improved.
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Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
January 13 2011 09:31 GMT
#65
He's helping OTHER PEOPLE get higher ranks by doing this. I only read the first page of this topic, but it seems that people haven't understood this...

Of course he could help people out more by just leaving ALL his games, but that wouldn't be as fair.

One reason to have a high rating though is to ensure that when you're playing on the ladder to practice, you'll be playing the best players. Of course when there's a bug like this going around, they wouldn't really be the best player.
"Then he told me to tell you that he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" — "Well, you tell him that I said that I wouldn't piss on him if he was on Jeopardy!"
MousecL1ck1
Profile Joined January 2011
187 Posts
January 13 2011 09:33 GMT
#66
On January 13 2011 18:25 CalmDown.Breathe wrote:
Stuff like this hurts the credibility of the the GSL imo. The GSL overall hasn't been all that great. There are questionable players that received Code S or are playing in Code A.. players who make you scratch your head and wonder how they got to where they are. When you find out that one of your better Code S players is cheating to increase his rating, it just puts into doubt how good these players really are and what dedication there is to the game. This incident will probably be a blip on the radar in the grand scheme of things, but if this kind of behavior becomes a repetitive occurrence in the scene, it damages the tournament as well as the game as a whole.


So choya doesn't deserve his Code S? The ladder is pretty random overall anyway. Any Code S player could lose to some ~3k weird Protoss user in a LADDER GAME. On a stage infront of people in a bo3 determines who plays "better". Regardless of this mess I still have no doubts that choya deserves his Code S.
Counting clouds just floating by ~
AngryJackB
Profile Joined July 2010
Congo83 Posts
January 13 2011 09:33 GMT
#67
Haha this owns. I can't believe that people really leave if they lose. I know I wouldn't. Choya should never stop. Funny shit.
Ma jae Yoon, July, Jaedong reppin the swarm. Ma jae Yoon owns fo ever.
ICA
Profile Joined January 2011
498 Posts
January 13 2011 09:34 GMT
#68
Why would you notify the GSL and why is this a scandal? It's not cheating, he's qualified for GSL, no match fixing, just some random fun. Seems legit to me.
Why should he be excluded? If he's good enough so be it (and he certainly is). Also everything that let's you win games, as long as it is legal, may it be any kind of cheese can and why shouldn't be exploited?
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
January 13 2011 09:36 GMT
#69
All I have to say to this thread is what has been spammed at me for the last month.

"Play to win" right?

How he gets his ladder wins is none of your business.
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
January 13 2011 09:37 GMT
#70
lol. this was indeed funny.
Carras
Profile Joined August 2010
Argentina860 Posts
January 13 2011 09:38 GMT
#71
this guy is just GENIUS!

anyway,we all know points mean nothing ...
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5915 Posts
January 13 2011 09:39 GMT
#72
People abused the Blizzard ladder in 1999 too when it meant something for qualifying for tournaments. But in this case I don't see how choya's ladder points mean anything to anybody.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Nefariously
Profile Joined December 2010
277 Posts
January 13 2011 09:39 GMT
#73
sounds like a nice way to farm portraits
now ask me if i care
Grebliv
Profile Joined May 2006
Iceland800 Posts
January 13 2011 09:40 GMT
#74
worst scandal ever hahhaa
ESV Mapmaking!
kirkybaby
Profile Joined May 2010
Korea (South)781 Posts
January 13 2011 09:42 GMT
#75
i for one am shocked and appalled by this behavior. it really, truly depresses me to the point where i'm starting to see very little meaning in life. first marrow's cheating scandal and now this. do ANY pros have integrity?
tournament history: 512th place in Altitude TLOpen #1
CalmDown.Breathe
Profile Joined June 2010
United States176 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-13 09:44:26
January 13 2011 09:43 GMT
#76
On January 13 2011 18:33 neppi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2011 18:25 CalmDown.Breathe wrote:
Stuff like this hurts the credibility of the the GSL imo. The GSL overall hasn't been all that great. There are questionable players that received Code S or are playing in Code A.. players who make you scratch your head and wonder how they got to where they are. When you find out that one of your better Code S players is cheating to increase his rating, it just puts into doubt how good these players really are and what dedication there is to the game. This incident will probably be a blip on the radar in the grand scheme of things, but if this kind of behavior becomes a repetitive occurrence in the scene, it damages the tournament as well as the game as a whole.


So choya doesn't deserve his Code S? The ladder is pretty random overall anyway. Any Code S player could lose to some ~3k weird Protoss user in a LADDER GAME. On a stage infront of people in a bo3 determines who plays "better". Regardless of this mess I still have no doubts that choya deserves his Code S.


I never said he doesn't deserve it. Personally, I think he did. He worked his way through to get where he is. However, in a LARGER sense, looking at the GSL as a whole, there are ramifications in terms of reputation and credibility of participants.

Although the ladder isn't always an accurate measure of skill and performance, it still holds some weight in Korea where the top players of the ladder are regularly seen gaining success in the GSL and tournaments. It also undermines the effort of those who do regularly play on the ladder (i.e. Huk who is doing very well in the ladder and achieved a high rating through effort and hard work). Like Nazgul mentioned earlier, there are benefits that may come along for those with higher ladder ratings in the form of tournament invitations, blizzard rewards, etc etc.
cnas
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden640 Posts
January 13 2011 09:46 GMT
#77
This sounds like a good way to get into Blizzcon tournaments ^^
One more game, bro's!
goldenwitch
Profile Joined August 2010
United States338 Posts
January 13 2011 09:46 GMT
#78
has anyone bothered to wonder how you play rock paper scissors via text?
tntrieu
Profile Joined December 2010
United States19 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-13 09:47:44
January 13 2011 09:46 GMT
#79
On January 13 2011 17:58 FrostedMiniWeet wrote:
More importantly, how do you play a game of rock paper scissors online? Example:

Player 1: Rock
Player 2: [looks at rock, and decides to go paper..]


You play three games at once. If player one types [Paper Rock Paper] and player two types [Rock Paper Scissor], then player two wins
Xeph
Profile Joined September 2004
Korea (South)191 Posts
January 13 2011 09:47 GMT
#80
choyafOu is not the only progamer who did this thing.
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