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On January 13 2011 17:40 Whiladan wrote:
It would matter if he were not ranked in the GSL, because qualifiers for Code A are based off of ladder ranking AFAIK.
But they're not, so it doesn't I guess. This probably would cause a bigger stir if it was someone who had dropped off already coughbitbybitprimecough.
remember when flash was a cheeser? wait and see
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Not a scandal. Shouldn't even apologize.
This is... hilarious.
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Why would someone apologize for being smarter?
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Despite ladder not being as prestigious as it could be, there is still prestige involved in laddering, and sometimes it is even used for tournament related things such as qualifiers. What if someone on Europe did this and applied for the spot in the GomTV house. You'd all be freaking out calling him a cheater and abuser.
Bottom line is any player should avoid abuse at all times. He may think it's funny but it's hard to make a difference in what motivates a player to do something (funny playing around, or GomTV house qualifier, Blizzcon selection process or Code-B qualifiers). If White-Ra (picking the person least likely to do this!) did this and made it into the GomTV house, then claimed he was just playing around like Choya, who's to say he wasn't? Or what if nobody ever found out, are you allowed to 'play around' and cheat your way into the GomTV house?
What if it is used to get into Code B qualifiers?
What if it is used to get into Blizzcon (Blizzard picked Huk and Select from the ladder)?
Don't let it come to a situation where you need to judge someones motivation on why he abused the ladder. You will never be able to prove it.
Now I'm not asking you to think Choya is evil because realistically this is relatively innocent. But don't say who cares or what does ladder even matter, because next time it happens and it does have influence on a bigger event you will have to bite your tongue. And you will realize that the attitude of saying ladder abuse is fine because it doesn't matter is what caused all the larger problems to begin. If Blizzard is smart they give him some sort of penalty to let everyone know this is simply not allowed. If they don't it's giving people permission to do the same in preparation for their Code B qualifiers.
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On January 13 2011 17:37 Kultfrisur wrote:
very many players are involved in this "scandal". For example every zerg who faces ZvZ on the korean ladder... Ban them all :D...
Btw the matchmaking should give you a 50% win rate, so does rock paper scissors. The games are independent and have expectation 1 ( if you change the points a bit ...). This means it"s a martingale. Therefore a fair game :D.
I might be one of the few who got that joke :D Well player sir.
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I don't get it, why does he lose only 2 points ? Is is because he quits the game very early ?
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What I want to know is, how do you play rock paper scissors? Chat hardly works.
I guess something like: let's meet with N workers at some location (can't be a Xel'Naga WT). N=1 means rock, N=2 means paper, N=3 means scissors.
On January 13 2011 17:52 iRRelevance wrote:
I don't get it, why does he lose only 2 points ? Is is because he quits the game very early ?
His points are lagging behind his MMR I believe.
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Also, you must take into consideration how Koreans look at fair play and sportsmanship. The apology isn't really about 'abusing' the ladder, but how you are perceived as a progamer. Then, there are sponsors behind the teams that will not like news like these...
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I was going to say something along the lines of 'not very usefull thread' or 'why using the word scandal here?', but Nazgul's point is quite convincing.
So yeah i think Choyah's attitude is was unproper.
Although i'd like to say that he should not get too much flames as other (A/S coded) players might be doing this also without anyone knowing. So i'd try to think on how to prevent this behavior from spreading (ladder rule modification for Master league ?) rather than going like "Choyah's a jerk" (+ I like the guy, he forgot thermal lances against Jinro, that was kind of him  ).
-kerm
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On January 13 2011 17:29 IdrA wrote:
if he wants games decided by random chance he could just play the way he always does
TL has been boring without you. <3
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(didn't cella do this a few months ago too anyways?)
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More importantly, how do you play a game of rock paper scissors online? Example:
Player 1: Rock
Player 2: [looks at rock, and decides to go paper..]
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On January 13 2011 17:58 FrostedMiniWeet wrote:
More importantly, how do you play a game of rock paper scissors online? Example:
Player 1: Rock
Player 2: [looks at rock, and decides to go paper..]
Probably just an honor system.
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On January 13 2011 17:58 FrostedMiniWeet wrote:
More importantly, how do you play a game of rock paper scissors online? Example:
Player 1: Rock
Player 2: [looks at rock, and decides to go paper..]
Obviously video chat
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On January 13 2011 17:29 IdrA wrote:
if he wants games decided by random chance he could just play the way he always does
Ice.
Cold.
Burn.
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apart from the problem naz pointed out, the scandal with this is rather that it (again) confirms that the ladder system is complete trash and rewards mass gaming more than anything.
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He might not even like this game, who knows?
I think this is kind of funny but what Nazgul wrote makes a lot of sense.
How do they even do this?
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On January 13 2011 17:48 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Despite ladder not being as prestigious as it could be, there is still prestige involved in laddering, and sometimes it is even used for tournament related things such as qualifiers. What if someone on Europe did this and applied for the spot in the GomTV house. You'd all be freaking out calling him a cheater and abuser. Bottom line is any player should avoid abuse at all times. He may think it's funny but it's hard to make a difference in what motivates a player to do something (funny playing around, or GomTV house qualifier, Blizzcon selection process or Code-B qualifiers). If White-Ra (picking the person least likely to do this!) did this and made it into the GomTV house, then claimed he was just playing around like Choya, who's to say he wasn't? Or what if nobody ever found out, are you allowed to 'play around' and cheat your way into the GomTV house? What if it is used to get into Code B qualifiers? What if it is used to get into Blizzcon (Blizzard picked Huk and Select from the ladder)? Don't let it come to a situation where you need to judge someones motivation on why he abused the ladder. You will never be able to prove it. Now I'm not asking you to think Choya is evil because realistically this is relatively innocent. But don't say who cares or what does ladder even matter, because next time it happens and it does have influence on a bigger event you will have to bite your tongue. And you will realize that the attitude of saying ladder abuse is fine because it doesn't matter is what caused all the larger problems to begin. If Blizzard is smart they give him some sort of penalty to let everyone know this is simply not allowed. If they don't it's giving people permission to do the same in preparation for their Code B qualifiers.
His enemys also accepted to decide by this system because they were possibly afraid of playing it out vs a GSL S Class gamer. Choya couldnt force them to play by this rules so i dont really get what you are trying to say. He would have won those games anyway most likely or ppl wouldnt agree to let luck decide in the first place.
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This amuses me more than it should...I mean, isn't it cute that choya cares so much about his rating that he'd cheat on it?
On a more serious note, Nazgul is obviously right 100%, it doesn't matter in the slightest if you deem ladder to be "important", the motivation behind choya's actions doesn't matter, abuse is abuse.
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