• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:06
CEST 01:06
KST 08:06
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers13Maestros of the Game 2 announced62026 GSL Tour plans announced14Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid24
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Maestros of the Game 2 announced MaNa leaves Team Liquid 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 522 Flip My Base The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss Mutation # 520 Moving Fees
Brood War
General
Data needed ASL21 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL21 Strategy, Pimpest Plays Discussions [ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro16 Group D [ASL21] Ro16 Group C [ASL21] Ro16 Group B [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game General RTS Discussion Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1218 users

[Update] choyafOu penalized by GomTV for ladder abuse - Pa…

Forum Index > Community News and Headlines
480 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 21 22 23 24 25 Next All
slowzerg
Profile Joined May 2010
United States62 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-18 08:33:18
January 18 2011 06:54 GMT
#441
On January 18 2011 11:18 palefountains wrote:
It's the problem of the ladder mechanism, not the players. Ridiculous to punish choya...


The ladder system does have problems but I fail to understand how its flaws make it fair-game to exploit these shortcomings to gain an unfair point advantage. Maphacks exploit shotcomings in SC2's design and are banned for good reason - the same applies to exploiting flaws in the ladder system design.
NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
January 18 2011 19:01 GMT
#442
On January 13 2011 17:29 IdrA wrote:
if he wants games decided by random chance he could just play the way he always does


Leave it to IdrA to have an awesome quote as per usual.
Abstracts, the too long didn't read of the educated world.
ClanRH.TV
Profile Joined July 2010
United States462 Posts
January 18 2011 23:12 GMT
#443
Seems like the GomTV commission has an extremely different view of integrity then most of the people here on teamliquid. They punished him because he was cheating to get ahead on the ladder...I don't see what people think is funny or immoral about this.
"Don't take life too seriously because you'll never get out alive."
azr
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway144 Posts
January 19 2011 00:12 GMT
#444
On January 18 2011 11:18 palefountains wrote:
It's the problem of the ladder mechanism, not the players. Ridiculous to punish choya...


That is the stupidest comment I have read in a long time.
eclipsE90
Profile Joined October 2010
United States5 Posts
January 19 2011 02:34 GMT
#445
I think people are missing the point here. Unlike us he's a professional. If we did something like this should we be punished? No, obviously. It's a game for us (although we should be ashamed if we did!). But he is paid to play and should uphold the standards and honor code of the game just like any other professional of any other sport would do. Ever hear of Pete Rose(I know that's an extreme example but he also disrespected the game he played)? Anyways, I'm sure his intentions were just playful/comedic and he will learn from this, but come on man...think b4 u act Choya.
GET TO THE CHOPPA -Arnold Swartzenager
palefountains
Profile Joined March 2010
China24 Posts
January 19 2011 02:57 GMT
#446
On January 19 2011 09:12 azr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2011 11:18 palefountains wrote:
It's the problem of the ladder mechanism, not the players. Ridiculous to punish choya...


That is the stupidest comment I have read in a long time.


Why?

If you're referring to the first paragraph, I'm not the first one saying that in this thread.
If it is the second paragraph, better come up with a reason, or a better solution.
good
eclipsE90
Profile Joined October 2010
United States5 Posts
January 19 2011 03:09 GMT
#447
On January 19 2011 11:57 palefountains wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 09:12 azr wrote:
On January 18 2011 11:18 palefountains wrote:
It's the problem of the ladder mechanism, not the players. Ridiculous to punish choya...


That is the stupidest comment I have read in a long time.


Why?

If you're referring to the first paragraph, I'm not the first one saying that in this thread
If it is the second paragraph, better come up with a reason, or a better solution.


Because even though the ladder might not be perfect, not even playing games legitimately hurts any progress towards a better ladder. So I think he's saying its stupid for you to take the stance of "its the ladders fault because it makes it possible"... Blizzard probably needs good, reliable statistics from the ladder at the masters level and when small things like this happen, they can grow into big problems if enough people start doing it. So punishing Choya to dissuade others from doing it would be the correct action by Blizzard and GOM.
GET TO THE CHOPPA -Arnold Swartzenager
palefountains
Profile Joined March 2010
China24 Posts
January 19 2011 03:11 GMT
#448
On January 19 2011 11:34 eclipsE90 wrote:
I think people are missing the point here. Unlike us he's a professional. If we did something like this should we be punished? No, obviously. It's a game for us (although we should be ashamed if we did!). But he is paid to play and should uphold the standards and honor code of the game just like any other professional of any other sport would do. Ever hear of Pete Rose(I know that's an extreme example but he also disrespected the game he played)? Anyways, I'm sure his intentions were just playful/comedic and he will learn from this, but come on man...think b4 u act Choya.


Are ladder games professional? I don't think so. If so, then everybody who plays a ladder game, is professional, theoretically. Not a big difference between choya, and you. You might be invited to a Blizzard-sponsored event, if you played well.

Hence, ladder games are just for fun at home. Will a pro poker/bridge player be penalized by any authorities just because he/she cheated in a home-party poker/bridge game with friends? At the very least, Blizzard should follow a kind of "une fois n'est pas coutume" policy in this unclear area.

good
palefountains
Profile Joined March 2010
China24 Posts
January 19 2011 03:20 GMT
#449
On January 19 2011 12:09 eclipsE90 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 11:57 palefountains wrote:
On January 19 2011 09:12 azr wrote:
On January 18 2011 11:18 palefountains wrote:
It's the problem of the ladder mechanism, not the players. Ridiculous to punish choya...


That is the stupidest comment I have read in a long time.


Why?

If you're referring to the first paragraph, I'm not the first one saying that in this thread
If it is the second paragraph, better come up with a reason, or a better solution.


Because even though the ladder might not be perfect, not even playing games legitimately hurts any progress towards a better ladder. So I think he's saying its stupid for you to take the stance of "its the ladders fault because it makes it possible"... Blizzard probably needs good, reliable statistics from the ladder at the masters level and when small things like this happen, they can grow into big problems if enough people start doing it. So punishing Choya to dissuade others from doing it would be the correct action by Blizzard and GOM.

I'm not against this opinion.
But it is very hard to define what is legal or not here, I think. Every time I met my friend in the ladder, I was happy to quit the game to save some time since we wanted to play with unfamiliar players. Is it illegal? I played a thirty-minute game and was tired of it, so chose play a rock-paper-scissors duel with my opponent to end it. Is it illegal? Yes you can say Choya's action is illegal here. My point is that there is not a fine line.
good
applejuice
Profile Joined October 2010
307 Posts
January 19 2011 03:24 GMT
#450
I don't think the reason GSL punished him is because they could theoretically use his ladder to qualify him for something.

That's missing the point.

I think it's more of a "you are playing in our league - play with integrity at all times because you're representing our brand".

The same thing happens in western professional sports, too, for stuff that happens off the court/field (e.g. NBA).
palefountains
Profile Joined March 2010
China24 Posts
January 19 2011 03:34 GMT
#451
On January 19 2011 12:24 applejuice wrote:
I don't think the reason GSL punished him is because they could theoretically use his ladder to qualify him for something.

That's missing the point.

I think it's more of a "you are playing in our league - play with integrity at all times because you're representing our brand".

The same thing happens in western professional sports, too, for stuff that happens off the court/field (e.g. NBA).


But I think they won't punish such behavior in a custom game, if it actually happens...

And I also think that it is reasonable, if not more reasonable, for them to punish pro players using abusive language in ladder games. Just a hypothesis.

But you are right. They have the right to do whatever they like within GSL.
good
Babaganoush
Profile Joined November 2010
United States626 Posts
January 19 2011 05:38 GMT
#452
I don't know how I feel about this. If it was like choyafou being like Michael Vick and holding illegal animal betting matches, then I guess he should be DQed from future GSLs. However, in this case, he didn't force the opponent to play a RPS match with him, but rather, gave them the choice to.

There's the argument that GSL wants to hold up the integrity of the players... but he didn't maphack or anything.

If there were a Starcraft debate class, great subject to argue for and against on, lol.
Stick a fork in those buns.
Devastate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States25 Posts
January 19 2011 06:28 GMT
#453
I'm honestly failing to derive any tangible consequence to any of this? Scandal? Jesus, it's like perezhilton.com for SC2.
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
January 19 2011 07:43 GMT
#454
Wow.
Artosis : Clide. idrA : Shut up.
Noli
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom179 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 16:37:46
January 19 2011 16:35 GMT
#455
What the... Why would you do this if you're already a highly rated player so what's the ladder mean to you. :s Doesn't bother me in the slightest.

On January[/tlpd] 13 2011 17:29 IdrA wrote:
if he wants games decided by random chance he could just play the way he Always does



:D haha
Noobricorn
Profile Joined January 2011
United States5 Posts
January 19 2011 18:08 GMT
#456
The reason choyafOu did this is because he sucks. No one respects his play style because he is 100% cheese. He knows he is bad so he feels like by climbing the ladder he is proving something... For anyone who thinks he is a legit player please go watch what he did to his teammate this year in the GSL... Code S Round of 16 Group B Match 4 Set 1.


He's trash and he ruins the GSL, and now the ladder too...

Here's the link for Code S Ro16 Group B Match 4 Set 1.

http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors1/vod/59686
IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
January 19 2011 20:00 GMT
#457
look at all of these noobs not grasping the concept that abuse is not tolerated. Noobs who do grasp it, I am not talking about you
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
January 19 2011 20:22 GMT
#458
I don't really care whether Choya's punished for this. What saddens me is that people would rather play RPS than play SC2 for ladder points.
Belphegor13
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden19 Posts
January 19 2011 20:25 GMT
#459
On January 19 2011 11:57 palefountains wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 09:12 azr wrote:
On January 18 2011 11:18 palefountains wrote:
It's the problem of the ladder mechanism, not the players. Ridiculous to punish choya...


That is the stupidest comment I have read in a long time.


Why?

If you're referring to the first paragraph, I'm not the first one saying that in this thread.
If it is the second paragraph, better come up with a reason, or a better solution.


I think it is very saddening that so many share that view. Sure, Blizzard and their ladder system is far from perfect, but that doesn't justify abuse. The problem of ladder abuse exists because there are players willing to abuse it. The ladder system wasn't supposed to be used for games of RSP, so by using it as such players are creating a flaw in the system.

Of course, cheaters will always exist. But that doesn't mean we should approve of what they're doing...
Providence
Profile Joined May 2010
United States125 Posts
January 19 2011 21:18 GMT
#460
How would you even rock/paper/scissors on battle.net?
The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is. - Winston Churchill
Prev 1 21 22 23 24 25 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 54m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft252
ProTech140
SpeCial 70
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 13433
Artosis 511
Dota 2
monkeys_forever577
capcasts132
Counter-Strike
minikerr19
Other Games
summit1g9674
tarik_tv4628
Grubby3679
shahzam476
C9.Mang0385
m0e_tv196
Trikslyr133
ViBE82
amsayoshi28
Mew2King27
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick650
BasetradeTV347
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 74
• RyuSc2 36
• musti20045 22
• Adnapsc2 13
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 37
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
54m
PiGStarcraft252
RSL Revival
10h 54m
Replay Cast
1d
The PondCast
1d 10h
KCM Race Survival
1d 10h
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
1d 11h
Gerald vs TBD
Clem vs TBD
ByuN vs TBD
Rogue vs MaxPax
ShoWTimE vs TBD
OSC
1d 15h
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
Escore
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
3 days
Universe Titan Cup
3 days
Rogue vs Percival
Ladder Legends
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
BSL
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
4 days
Ladder Legends
4 days
BSL
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Soma vs TBD
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
TBD vs YSC
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-20
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W4
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.