EPTOfcourse it should not be possible to get stuff like code B because of this though...
[Update] choyafOu penalized by GomTV for ladder abuse - Pa…
| Forum Index > Community News and Headlines |
|
Warmyth
Netherlands107 Posts
Ofcourse it should not be possible to get stuff like code B because of this though... | ||
|
Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On January 13 2011 18:50 Warmyth wrote: In my opinion Blizzard can't really do anything about it, there statement of winning is simple 'If you are the last player to leave the game', so if players leave after losing rock-paper-siccor, how is this wrong? Ofcourse it should not be possible to get stuff like code B because of this though... I doubt this is true. If they didn't have additional rules beyond this it would imply maphacking is fine as well. There's obviously more to their rules that just being the last to leave the game. | ||
|
kirkybaby
Korea (South)781 Posts
On January 13 2011 18:53 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I doubt this is true. If they didn't have additional rules beyond this it would imply maphacking is fine as well. There's obviously more to their rules that just being the last to leave the game. i think blizzard perceives this more as a minor exploitation and not in violation of eula, unlike map hacking, etc. direct and unauthorized modification of the game is a bannable offense, unlike persuading someone to do something completely within the confines of regular play (in this case, asking someone to leave). | ||
|
Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
| ||
|
Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On January 13 2011 18:57 kirkybaby wrote: i think blizzard perceives this more as a minor exploitation and not in violation of eula, unlike map hacking, etc. direct and unauthorized modification of the game is a bannable offense, unlike persuading someone to do something completely within the confines of regular play (in this case, asking someone to leave). Absolutely inaccurate. So in a ladder qualifier to a big tournament you can just ask your opponent to leave every game and qualify with 100-0 and 100 freewins and you would say it is completely within the confines of regular play? Aka nobody playing a single match and everyone abusing their way into the tournament? I don't know where you come up with these arguments. If Blizzard doesn't do anything it is because a) they couldn't or don't want to prove intent or b) due to negative publicity they refuse to make a bigger deal out of the situation. It is not because they think it is fine for players to do this, no chance. | ||
|
AngryJackB
Congo83 Posts
 | ||
|
kirkybaby
Korea (South)781 Posts
On January 13 2011 18:59 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Absolutely inaccurate. So in a ladder qualifier you can just ask your opponent to leave every game and qualify with 100-0 and 100 freewins and you would say it is completely within the confines of regular play? not within regular play, but it's not violating any of the terms that blizzard has laid out in the legal agreement a player has inherently agreed to by playing sc2. i'm looking at it more from a legal perspective, rather than a moral/ethical perspective. obviously i don't condone it, but it's far from maphacking imho. edit: i might be wrong, there might be something (it'd have to be vague if it's in there) that states this kind of action is against the eula. i also think blizzard would probably dq someone who has obviously exploited the system to gain entry into one of their sponsored tournaments. | ||
|
Warmyth
Netherlands107 Posts
On January 13 2011 18:53 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I doubt this is true. If they didn't have additional rules beyond this it would imply maphacking is fine as well. There's obviously more to their rules that just being the last to leave the game. I really don't think they have a rule that can use against this, and if they have one, then probally a lot of other things that happen in games are also wrong. For example, you also can't ask a player to 'Please leave?' at the start of the game? And maybe you could also say that it is Illegal to cheese, cause games end a lot faster this way then macro games, so you as a cheese player winning 50-60% of games would get a higher rating a lot faster ? I think this is a area where it is really difficult to difine things as legal or illegal. Edit: Ofcourse I still agree that this should not be possible, because there are big things like qualifications coupled to your rating, and Blizzard is not fine with it. | ||
|
Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
| ||
|
revoN
Japan804 Posts
| ||
|
haka
United States1414 Posts
On January 13 2011 18:59 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Absolutely inaccurate. So in a ladder qualifier to a big tournament you can just ask your opponent to leave every game and qualify with 100-0 and 100 freewins and you would say it is completely within the confines of regular play? Aka nobody playing a single match and everyone abusing their way into the tournament? If a tournament is basing qualification on ladder ranking then I don't think it would be that hard to DQ someone based on their match history. If they see something fishy and look into it they should consider them ineligible. | ||
|
trancey_
Germany729 Posts
| ||
|
Magikarp
United States32 Posts
| ||
|
Warmyth
Netherlands107 Posts
As it say's on the first link: They have T&A for Battle.net, nothing starcraft specific http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/ http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/termsofuse.html Edit: Only thing I can make out of these is that if Blizzard wants to, they can do everything they want to to punish a player, without giving a reason | ||
|
Nobu
Spain550 Posts
On January 13 2011 17:29 IdrA wrote: if he wants games decided by random chance he could just play the way he always does Just woke up, and im sure to be laughing the rest of the day XDDDD. As the quote from nazgul says, i think a top player shoudnt do that in the "official" ranking, even if it isnt accurate, is the one that we have now, and you cant just say, its ok because he is Code S, this kind of stuff is ok if all you want are portraits from team games or something like that, not to cheat the ladder, its pretty sad. | ||
|
Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
Assume Choya was some no-name getting his code B qualification by asking people to RPS him. It would take exactly one (1) person to submit a replay of this to the GSL, or Blizzard, or even Team Liquid to get it known and to get Choya disqualified. Which isn't to say that it's not bad, of course. It's a bit unethical and demeans the GSL by lowering the integrity of Code B. But I don't think you could get into Code B that way, because if they take the top 200 players on the ladder, and you tried to Rock-Paper-Scissors number 201... | ||
|
Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On January 13 2011 19:14 Warmyth wrote: I have tried to look it up: As it say's on the first link: They have T&A for Battle.net, nothing starcraft specific http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/ http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/termsofuse.html BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ACCOUNTS AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU. Accounts terminated by Blizzard for any type of abuse, including without limitation a violation of these Terms of Use, will not be reactivated for any reason. For purposes of explanation and not limitation, most account suspensions, terminations and/or deletions are the result of violations of this TOU, a Game EULA or other Blizzard policy. You may cancel any Account registered to you at any time by following the instructions on the Website. Blizzard may stop offering and/or supporting the Service at any time. Standard. | ||
|
kirkybaby
Korea (South)781 Posts
With all due respect, that's a pretty big stretch. Additionally, that doesn't really validate what you were saying earlier, as this says that Blizzard has the right to ban you, not to DQ you from future sponsored events. Now, I understand this is the TOU for Battle.net but I just disagree with your underlying notion that ladder exploitation (which isn't even proven) is on par with something like maphacking, and that Blizzard should take action against him. They're well within their right to, but then again, they can ban you for absolutely nothing and be well within their rights too, see the first sentence of your C&P. | ||
|
byce
United States98 Posts
| ||
|
Bliznako
Serbia165 Posts
| ||
| ||
