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Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9033 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-13 11:07:29
January 13 2011 11:06 GMT
#121
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9033 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-13 11:07:45
January 13 2011 11:07 GMT
#122

noob question, but how does he do it? both submit text at the same time?
Phenny
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1435 Posts
January 13 2011 11:12 GMT
#123
The problem is, while it is just a game and people should be free and able to do this if they both agree, the ladder is apparently (and unfortunately imo) linked to tournaments, so it can give people unfair advantages and whatnot which isn't cool.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
January 13 2011 11:15 GMT
#124
On January 13 2011 19:50 diehilde wrote:
huh what about a simple elo system? wouldnt it be completely pointless to do rock/paper/scissors in one of those?

Ah yea ELO is definitely a lot better and more meaningful. Gogo ELO!
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ICA
Profile Joined January 2011
498 Posts
January 13 2011 11:15 GMT
#125
guy is too good not to play GSL + he's using the tasteless build!
Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
January 13 2011 11:16 GMT
#126
seeing that record he should stick to playing starcraft instead of playing rock-paper-scissors
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-13 11:19:04
January 13 2011 11:18 GMT
#127
nobody remember that Gom can dq a player for "unsuitable" behaviour....
Abusing ladder system used for a determination of Code B (top ladder players) is rather bad... But choya is code S than WTF...
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
January 13 2011 11:38 GMT
#128
Ladder is not serious business. Really not worth worrying about.
My strategy is to fork people.
Phenny
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1435 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-13 11:45:15
January 13 2011 11:44 GMT
#129
On January 13 2011 20:38 Severedevil wrote:
Ladder is not serious business. Really not worth worrying about.


I do agree, however while tournament's hold it in any regard, actions like this (as trivial as it is) can't be acceptable.
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-13 11:47:17
January 13 2011 11:46 GMT
#130
Seriously, what's unfair about it? Unless he is using illegal means to match with people he knows.
Charlemagne
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3 Posts
January 13 2011 11:47 GMT
#131
If you don't see a problem with this, then read the original post!
Welcome to Costco, I love you
bondafong
Profile Joined December 2010
Denmark19 Posts
January 13 2011 11:51 GMT
#132
Can't see why this is wrong... If the system allows it it's ok. Fix the ladder or accept things like this.
Comet702
Profile Joined April 2010
China236 Posts
January 13 2011 11:55 GMT
#133
Hi, TLers.
Comet from wfbrood.com(China).
I have translated this into Chinese and posted on wfbrood.com. I have clearly stated that this was taken from here and I will bing feedback from China to back to here.
Here is the link:http://bbs.wfbrood.com/thread-23658-1-1.html
Thanks!
Comet from wfbrood.com
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
January 13 2011 11:56 GMT
#134
how do you play rock paper scissors in bnet?
netherDrake
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Singapore1831 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-13 12:01:08
January 13 2011 11:56 GMT
#135
GSL spoiler
+ Show Spoiler +
and after this.... he proxygates his teammate out of GSL

I love this guy.


User was warned for this post
SC2 player for Flash eSports. twitch.tv/nether_drake, https://twitter.com/bryan_sum, http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bryan-Drake-Sum/468389706519567
Bliznako
Profile Joined November 2010
Serbia165 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-13 12:00:33
January 13 2011 11:59 GMT
#136
@netherDrake

You should put that in spoiler... not fair to people not watching the GSL live.
Morisal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States95 Posts
January 13 2011 12:00 GMT
#137
<3 Choya fan now
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
January 13 2011 12:00 GMT
#138
On January 13 2011 17:48 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Despite ladder not being as prestigious as it could be, there is still prestige involved in laddering, and sometimes it is even used for tournament related things such as qualifiers. What if someone on Europe did this and applied for the spot in the GomTV house. You'd all be freaking out calling him a cheater and abuser.

Bottom line is any player should avoid abuse at all times. He may think it's funny but it's hard to make a difference in what motivates a player to do something (funny playing around, or GomTV house qualifier, Blizzcon selection process or Code-B qualifiers). If White-Ra (picking the person least likely to do this!) did this and made it into the GomTV house, then claimed he was just playing around like Choya, who's to say he wasn't? Or what if nobody ever found out, are you allowed to 'play around' and cheat your way into the GomTV house?

What if it is used to get into Code B qualifiers?

What if it is used to get into Blizzcon (Blizzard picked Huk and Select from the ladder)?

Don't let it come to a situation where you need to judge someones motivation on why he abused the ladder. You will never be able to prove it.

Now I'm not asking you to think Choya is evil because realistically this is relatively innocent. But don't say who cares or what does ladder even matter, because next time it happens and it does have influence on a bigger event you will have to bite your tongue. And you will realize that the attitude of saying ladder abuse is fine because it doesn't matter is what caused all the larger problems to begin. If Blizzard is smart they give him some sort of penalty to let everyone know this is simply not allowed. If they don't it's giving people permission to do the same in preparation for their Code B qualifiers.


I think giving a ton of tournament qualification spots on a flawed ladder system that doesn't work so magnificently isn't the best idea in the first place. Points are getting too inflated already and it doesn't really show any true measure of skill.

I was always a fan of the closed ladders used for TSL1 and TSL2 type things. This hidden MMR stuff messes up the ladder to a point where it really shouldn't be used for tournament places.

That being said I do agree with you that abuse should be avoided at all times. Doesn't set a good precedent.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Tiazi
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands761 Posts
January 13 2011 12:01 GMT
#139
On January 13 2011 17:29 IdrA wrote:
if he wants games decided by random chance he could just play the way he always does


Greg wins the thread.. and made my day
"A brilliant yet deluded man once said, 'Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos.' Gumiho is that agent of chaos." -monk
Morisal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States95 Posts
January 13 2011 12:03 GMT
#140
Honestly though, I truly think that this is being displayed WAY WAY out of proportion...
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