Morality argument aside, this is why they're doing it:

Points are earned based on your opponent's MMR versus your points. Players newly promoted into the Master league have points equal to 73 + their spent bonus pool. Back in Diamond league, before the point normalization, these same players had many many points more than that -- 1,000 or more in addition to their spent bonus pools. Though the Master league offset is currently not known (if any), this means these players' MMRs are potentially thousands higher than their current points, causing their opponent to be displayed as Favored in every single game. This means that if they were to play legitimately, it could take 50, 60, 70 games or more before the phenomenon ends.

This also means that there is no real risk to doing rock-paper-scissors. While RPS virtually ensures a 50% win ratio, but playing legitimately may result in top players having a 60-70% win ratio, it's possible to RPS many times faster than legitimately playing games. Even though their MMR will suffer as a result, they don't necessarily have to worry about their MMR for as long as they continue to see the opponent as Favored (because the risk-reward is too much in their favor). What will likely happen is once they stop seeing the opponent as Favored, meaning their MMR and points are close to converging, that's when they'll start playing for real. However, the number of "real" games will be much smaller than the number of RPS games they have to play to reach their true skill level.

OldSC2Guy

United States8 Posts

January 14 2011 20:20 GMT

#343

Thank you to whoever made this happen.

eSports is at a critical stage. There is a significant amount of money sitting on the side lines right now watching eSports. Personally, I have been watching ATVI Nasdaq to see if they did anything in response to the various abuses over the last 6 months. ATVI is a by-word in my investment community and actions (or failure to act) on these issues is a constant discussion point.

Bravo and this will help the whole eSports development community.

thragar

Canada450 Posts

January 14 2011 20:27 GMT

#344

I agree that this was a good punishment. Circumventing any ranking system is just poor (e)sportsmanship.

k20

United States342 Posts

January 14 2011 20:30 GMT

#345

On January 14 2011 23:55 peachsncream wrote:
Wow just lost complete interest in gomtv after seeing this....

Honestly if this makes you not want to watch GOM, chances are you weren't even interested in it before this happened lol

.Carnage

United States99 Posts

January 14 2011 20:40 GMT

#346

what a giant overreaction, ladder points don't mean anything and he probably just did it for fun.

SoylentCreep

Korea (South)176 Posts

January 14 2011 20:51 GMT

#347

Wow...another reason why I don't like ChoyafOu.
Besides all this abusing-mumbo-jumbo the most important point proven is that Choya
doesn't have a professional mindset.He's code S and he should behave like a Code S player..especially on the ladder where most players look up to the "pro's"!

DarkRise

1644 Posts

January 14 2011 20:52 GMT

#348

Well the problem is that he is a pro player and he's getting payed to play, not play around.
I know he's just having fun but he shoulda done it with a smurf account and to top it off he's with a team

Furycrab

Canada456 Posts

January 14 2011 21:02 GMT

#349

On January 13 2011 17:28 Plexa wrote:
Oh perhaps he did it trying to cover up his match history? idk.

Perhaps he wishes to keep a spot high on the ladder, but has little time to put on ladder when he has to invest most of it practicing for his upcoming matches as privately as possible. The bonus pool system kinda encourages some of this sadly, but easy to spot.

iDrone

United States176 Posts

January 14 2011 21:09 GMT

#350

I think there are a lot of people who posted on this thread that don't understand the problem. But thats ok, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I could care less about exchanging wins/losses or whatever that case may be.. the real issue, is that he and others found a glitch in the ranking system. He could lose 3 of 4 games and still be 5 points higher than what he was.
I feel he should be penalized and or fined.

SeakayKu

United States128 Posts

January 14 2011 21:18 GMT

#351

pro starcraft 2 player delivers something that resembles a public report card to gom
and gom came out with a punishment for the fault or integrity of this report card
nothing wrong and good call
if choya doesn't like it, or if any of choya's fan doesn't like it
well... choya could play somewhere else...

edit:
i like TL stating that, this is their house, they can do as they pleased
well... in general if people have basic respects for each other, environment will just get better
i respect the admins here, i respect the posters here, i respect the content and community, thus i shall be respectful, and perhaps be respected
what choya did was not paying respect to a system
and keep in mind, he is in KOREA
in that country, you don't just fuck around

hmunkey

United Kingdom1973 Posts

January 14 2011 21:19 GMT

#352

On January 13 2011 17:29 IdrA wrote:
if he wants games decided by random chance he could just play the way he always does

Ahahahahahahah wow. Normally your comments are a bit dickish but this one is just completely hilarious.

Spec

Taiwan931 Posts

January 14 2011 21:52 GMT

#353

If he did it to cover up match history, then we should put this in blizzard's face and see if we could have an option to get it covered a little ;p

nttea

Sweden4353 Posts

January 14 2011 22:31 GMT

#354

A warning would have been enough imo, but everyone needs to realise they shouldn't do this!

Crt

247 Posts

January 14 2011 22:37 GMT

#355

If he doesn't use two accounts playing against one another, then I

Don't see anything wrong in this. It's the fault of the point system. Using the system to your advantage isn't cheating.

They should use ELO points or improve the point system instead.

revoN

Japan804 Posts

January 14 2011 22:51 GMT

#356

What if he ends up winning the GSL? Banning him from the next one will bring more harm than good imo.

And the OP says that he was not the only 'progamer' to have done this ladder 'abuse' so why is he the only one getting penalised?

Really I don't see why is he being penalised? He didn't cheat right?

AngryJackB

Congo83 Posts

January 14 2011 23:01 GMT

#357

This is pretty lame. I'm going to convince some losers to just leave a game, and then get banned from a gsl.

purecarnagge

719 Posts

January 14 2011 23:02 GMT

#358

Does this mean he'll be playing in the up/down matches or regulated to Code A? Will he retain Code S when the March GSL 6 occurs?

And frankly he should be banned for a season. You are a professional gamer, being paid to play a game. Act like a professional.

1. rock paper scixxors
2. proxy gates his teammate
3. has no depth to his play past 12 minutes.

I'm sorry but I completely agree with this...he's Code S, he's being paid to play SC2 by GOM.

GreatFall

United States1061 Posts

January 14 2011 23:06 GMT

#359

Ahhhh this reminds me of vanilla SC where everybody cheated their way strait to the top.

AngryJackB

Congo83 Posts

January 14 2011 23:08 GMT

#360

Did GOMTV ever say that gaming the ladder system was against the rules. I cant get over how funny it is that people would leave if they lost.

being fucked over by a shitty ladder point system is pretty gay. He would get the same shit if he just 6 pooled all fucking day. Yea i know he plays protoss.