I don't really see why he should get punished for exploiting the ladder system(not even abusing since hes getting as many losses as wins). Then again I'm prolly biased since I remember the days when every single Korean BW pro would abuse the WCG ladder (free wins) to qualify for WCG Korea and they never got punished for it since it was just a ladder.

dangots0ul

United States919 Posts

January 15 2011 00:32 GMT

#362

i think he just redefined cheese

fainez

United States91 Posts

January 15 2011 00:39 GMT

#363

Wait, isn't everybody who agreed to his terms just as guilty? why is he just taking the fall for everyone? I mean I guess cause he was doing it every single game...

lastreason

Romania250 Posts

January 15 2011 00:46 GMT

#364

oh common who the heck is interested in ladder ? o another way to get adicted "i wanttttttttttttttt points ", nom nom

LOLDOZER

Russian Federation24 Posts

January 15 2011 01:20 GMT

#365

I don't see why this should be a scandal. Even if he never actually played a real game this shouldn't be a scandal.

Cyanocyst

2222 Posts

January 15 2011 01:21 GMT

#366

Good for Gom catching it. Any abuse of any system should be dealt with.

Goldfish

2230 Posts

January 15 2011 01:29 GMT

#367

On January 13 2011 18:39 Nefariously wrote:
sounds like a nice way to farm portraits

Yeah, though it really depends on how often people actually play fairly and leave when they lose.

This would be a fun and tireless way to grind wins if the opposing player accepts and sticks to the rule of leaving if they lose.

Some players just want the achievements and portraits and grinding for them takes the fun out of the game, so they want to find way to quickly obtain those achievements or portraits.

In Team Fortress 2, there were achievement servers where the goal was to either:

1. Idle to get items (you get a 20% chance every 20 minutes to get an item). TF2's system of finding items simply just involve game play time rather than getting points or so. Fortunately (or unfortunately) Valve doesn't really care about achievement servers (really it ruins the gameplay if everyone was trying to get achievements on regular servers rather than one designed for achievements).

OR

2. Help each other get achievement (like perform <specific task which requires not actually helping your team win the game>).

Also in BF2 - There were sure a lot of times people just used Knife (not caring about helping teammates) just to try to get the Expert Knife Badge. Also times where people went Squad Leader just to obtain hours for being a Squad Leader for an achievement (this is despite the fact there are 10 other empty Squads a player can join instead).

Those are just a few examples of achievement addiction ruining players lives.

Well maybe not but I really dislike achievements sometimes and I disagree with Bashiok's statement on D3 about achievements being a "bragging rights" reward.

Personally, I prefer thinking of Achievements as a test of whether someone can resist them or not rather than anything else.

On January 13 2011 18:59 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

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b) due to negative publicity they refuse to make a bigger deal out of the situation. It is not because they think it is fine for players to do this, no chance.

I agree. Blizzard would definitely care if nearly every player was doing it. Imagine what the "gaming media" would think of Blizzard proudly presenting their ladder and their next gen RTS "SC2" when in actuality it's filled with players playing rock paper scissor instead of SC2.

About not wanting to make a big deal out of the situation - Sadly it seems to be the case with Blizzard lately in regards to custom maps and popularity system.

The Custom Map Feedback thread was made in August 2010, but yet it still has had no replies or acknowledgment from Blizzard. Also it has only 4 replies per day, I doubt they can't hire or find someone to read 4 posts per day and make replies. They need better PR with custom mappers.

overt

United States9006 Posts

January 15 2011 01:51 GMT

#368

On January 15 2011 08:47 cujo2k wrote:
I don't really see why he should get punished for exploiting the ladder system(not even abusing since hes getting as many losses as wins).

This is what happens when the developer is running the pro scene.

DeseaseR

46 Posts

January 15 2011 01:52 GMT

#369

this is stupid imo, he dont need to apologize because thats was in the ladder games you could do whatever you want with it. he bought the game like others, he isnt even hacking duhh!!!

redFF

United States3910 Posts

January 15 2011 02:12 GMT

#370

On January 13 2011 17:29 IdrA wrote:
if he wants games decided by random chance he could just play the way he always does

HAHAAAAA, sick play yesterday btw dude

thehitman

1105 Posts

January 15 2011 02:40 GMT

#371

Why punish someone for the crap bnet system that Blizzard spend years developing?

Why couldn't blizzard look at IcCup for example and make the same or similar system?

The current rating system is not even accurate as people that were D on IcCup are now platinum players.

CounteR

New Zealand103 Posts

January 15 2011 02:48 GMT

#372

I wonder why a Code S player is so interested in his ladder points... lol shoudn't he be training everyday rather than play rock paper scissors on ladder ?

Radio

Canada26 Posts

January 15 2011 03:21 GMT

#373

The point of it,is something much bigger than ChoyaFou, and that is to make the point of not abusing the ladder system. This was definitely the right way to deal with this. Exactly what Plexis commented on, and its to keep the integrity of the system, and since GSL is going to be basing the GOMTV team house on ladder and the B leagues (i'm not quite sure if the B leagues yet). But abusing the system no matter how much you think its "broken" would not be healthy for the Starcraft community if it was left unpunished. Props to GomTV.

a176

Canada6688 Posts

January 15 2011 03:34 GMT

#374

Wow GOM. I think its extremely unprofessional for GOM to punish the player for actions outside of the league. The GOM league was open to anyone regardless of ladder rank, and choya got through it all and qualified for the league through his own play, made it to Ro8, and is in the Code S tourny. GOM just trying to look and act big?

FroZen(-_-)

United States183 Posts

January 15 2011 03:38 GMT

#375

i do not fully understand the whole Rock Paper Scissors thing

BrahCJ

Australia659 Posts

January 15 2011 03:54 GMT

#376

On January 15 2011 12:34 a176 wrote:
Wow GOM. I think its extremely unprofessional for GOM to punish the player for actions outside of the league.

You're right, Choya should boycott the GSL and just not even show up!

As its been stated before.
Ladder may be used to sort through B class qualifiers leagues. Its GOMTV's tourney, and they can do what they please.
In my opinion, Choya is no real loss, as I want to watch a decent level macro game.

Sky0

United States214 Posts

January 15 2011 05:32 GMT

#377

These players enter into a contract just like any other job. What you do outside of your job still effects you current status and reputatuon at your job. So all of you acting like choyafou should do this or that remember its gomtv who are ultimately responsible. No matter how you view it personally, its obviously a big deal.goms reputation is at stake.