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On January 14 2011 01:43 Ry0ftw wrote:
Its funny I was actually playing Choya the other day.
I opened with scissors, with the view of later transitioning into paper. It was just a shame that he hard countered my opener with rock before my late game plans were able to unfold...
...Drumroll please...
-.-"
I lol'ed.
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Isn't this more an issue with how the Master's League was implemented? All the players(or at least a significant majority) had their points reset to a level that was much below their MMR, which is what is causing players to gain many more points for a win then they lose for a loss. It will be that way until players' displayed points stabilizes at a level around their hidden MMR.
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On January 14 2011 02:58 Myles wrote:
Isn't this more an issue with how the Master's League was implemented? All the players(or at least a significant majority) had their points reset to a level that was much below their MMR, which is what is causing players to gain many more points for a win then they lose for a loss. It will be that way until players' displayed points stabilizes at a level around their hidden MMR.
The flaws in the current Masters' League do allow for this specific abuse I believe, so Blizzard is responsible for fixing the system, but players should also be responsible for their own integrity. Anything less is an affront to sportsmanship and should not be condoned.
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This is a little vague... Did he actually pause with all his opponents or just the one's he knew from his team house? I don't see how this is a huge deal, tbqh... probably annoying as hell if you don't even know who choya is and just want to ladder though.
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I could really care less about this and I think people are just upset because they want something to be upset about.
But how is RPS played? Surely there's a split second between each player typing their choice. Doesn't this allow someone with fast hands to cheat?
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i really had to laugh :D this is actually so cool, wanna do that on ladder too :D this is actually the best and most funny way to show blizzard that their system doesnt work
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I would probably have more of an issue with this if it wasn't for the the whole hidden rating thing and point's being dropped when you get into masters league. So while I don't think it's good that people do things like this I guess I find it more acceptable right now with people working back towards their hidden rating though even then I don't think it should be something they should be able to do.
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ladders shouldnt have prestige involved.
it's that simple.
while ladder was a good way to separate the excelent pros from the rest, nowadays it just shouldnt matter anymore, at least for you pros out there.
leagues on the other hand are the way to go to prove yourselves.
it's still too early to call in blizzard on this. I dont see abuse for the casual players. say the game is long, boring, both players need to leave and agree to roll for it -- i dont see a problem at all.
keep practicing. join open tourneys. make a name for yourself. get invited to IH tourneys. ????. get rich.
TLDR: screw ladder!
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I still love Choya for talking to himself excitedly in the booth. That being said, the rock paper scissors thing is kind of silly. Dont know why he would do that...
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i think this is pretty clever tbh, in a fun way.
if blizzard wanted to, they could of counted out games that ended before the 3-4 minute line, prevent this and give the opponent a chance to just rush him and win while he types or something
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On January 13 2011 17:40 Cambam wrote:
Just a quick and efficient way to get his displayed rating up to his hidden rating (MMR), because of the master leauge reset. And it looks like it worked, he is #1 on KR ladder at the moment.
It will stop working once his displayed rating reaches his hidden rating. Read Excalibur_Z's thread on how the ladder system works.
Here's a quick rundown:
Let's say he gets promoted to masters and reset to 2400 displayed rating. Meanwhile, we'll say his MMR is 3000. He plays a game against IMNestea who is also 2400 displayed, 3000 MMR (hypothetically).
IMNestea will appear favored to choya and choya will appear favored to IMNestea. This is because the favored system works by comparing your opponents HIDDEN rating to your DISPLAYED rating. Thus:
IMNestea's HIDDEN rating of 3000 > choya's DISPLAYED rating of 2400
and vice versa.
Everyone will be favored to choya (and thus give +20~ and -5~) until his displayed rating catches up to his hidden rating.
Hope that made sense. It's just choya's clever way of skyrocketing to the top of the ladder faster than everyone else. But like I said, it will stop working eventually.
I posted this on the 2nd page, but everyone seemed to miss it. While the ethics of the rock-paper-scissors thing is still debatable, you don't have to worry about him being the unfair king of the ladder. He's not. He just boosted his displayed rating faster than everyone else. Everyone else will catch up (and pass him, if they're better) very soon. He's already 4th instead of 1st.
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What?!
I don 't understand what the point of this is. Nobody cares about progamers' ladder positions... The only possible outcomes are nobody finds out and nobody cares that he's a bit higher on ladder, or people do find out and they stop cheering for him (and possibly he gets banned for cheating, not sure on the TOS there).
No good outcome possible. God that guy's an idiot.
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kind of lame, but its not like it matters in the slightest
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I bet he did it because everyone says sc2 is a game of rock paper scissors anyway.
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Bad rep to choya i guess, but hopefully he and other players will learn from this
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Ok, this actually isn't bad at all. When good players were promoted to masters league, they dropped from ~3k+ points to 2.3k but kept their same MMR of ~3k+. The ladder system awards points based on your current points compared to your opponent's MMR, so good players now have 2.3k points and are matching against opponents with 3k+ MMR, so both sides see the other as favored. This +20 for win and -1 for loss every game seems weird, but what it really will do is return players' points to their MMR very quickly. As soon as their points return to the neighborhood of their MMR, the system will return to operating as usual. Players can rock-paper-scissors their points back to their MMR if they want, but they won't be able to go any higher.
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On January 13 2011 17:29 IdrA wrote:
if he wants games decided by random chance he could just play the way he always does
Oh burn.
But it's not as fast haha.
I think this is a bit much to label this "scandal" or "abuse." The fact that he actually got people to go along with it is funnier.
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On January 13 2011 17:25 Plexa wrote:
What is the point in this? What does he stand to gain from getting high in the ladder when he's already a Code S player?
It may be that whenever he drew another protoss he would suggest it. I saw cellawerra do the same thing when he got drawn against other zergs. A lot of pros see p v p and z v z as coinflips or intensely boring, so that may be why they decide to rock paper scissor.
I find this kinda funny it's being seen as a scandal.
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He's just having fun on ladder, stop blowing up shit that isn't worth talking about
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On Huk's stream, several of the oGs members are calling choyafOu a cheater. They're condeming his actions.
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