EPTWill the group matches be bo3 or bo1?
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Odoakar
Croatia1835 Posts
Will the group matches be bo3 or bo1? | ||
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Cep
Germany41 Posts
On December 11 2010 20:51 Odoakar wrote: I'm really glad there will be a league system and not only tournamets, as it really sucked seeing some players play only 1-2 games per month. And it's fairly easy to understand how the system will work. Will the group matches be bo3 or bo1? BO1  | ||
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gnutz
Germany666 Posts
BO1 ??? WHAT? | ||
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robertdinh
803 Posts
On December 11 2010 20:48 Cep wrote: So where's the point in having 4 guarenteed spots if they're better players anyway? Foreign teams take a risk moving their players to korea. Not only financially. As i already said, imo, maps aren't that balanced and invite for cheesy all-ins. So everyone could end up like Tester/Nada/... But having 4 guarenteed spots, sounds quite political to me. It is political, if it wasn't they'd just be qualifying the legitimate way, if they deserve it they will make it. I also think people saying that the top foreigners could easily qualify for code A need to take a step back and look at results. Some foreigners qualified for GSL, many did not. I would hardly say they would easily qualify for code A when some struggled to even get to the ro64 in these early GSL tourneys. To me it's pretty obvious they did this so that the people who moved to korea in hopes of making CODE S that failed miserably to do so, will still have a semi easier route to try and get in there. And as much as people want to see foreign representation, I personally would rather see a tournament run fairly where every player is held to the same standards. Not "koreans are held to this standard and a few foreigners have spots reserved for them". | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On December 11 2010 21:02 robertdinh wrote: It is political, if it wasn't they'd just be qualifying the legitimate way, if they deserve it they will make it. I also think people saying that the top foreigners could easily qualify for code A need to take a step back and look at results. Some foreigners qualified for GSL, many did not. I would hardly say they would easily qualify for code A when some struggled to even get to the ro64 in these early GSL tourneys. To me it's pretty obvious they did this so that the people who moved to korea in hopes of making CODE S that failed miserably to do so, will still have a semi easier route to try and get in there. And as much as people want to see foreign representation, I personally would rather see a tournament run fairly where every player is held to the same standards. Not "koreans are held to this standard and a few foreigners have spots reserved for them". It's like you've never seen a tournament besides GSL. Do you realize almost all foreigner tournaments have seeds and certain players get invited? Do you realize GSL invites players based on success in another tournament, that is to say GSL 1-3? Please read the thread. Having said that, yes it's obviously beneficial for them to have more foreigners participate, but you can easily justify the invitee system regardless of that. | ||
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henjebenje
Australia73 Posts
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Blondinbengt
Sweden578 Posts
On December 11 2010 21:02 robertdinh wrote: It is political, if it wasn't they'd just be qualifying the legitimate way, if they deserve it they will make it. I also think people saying that the top foreigners could easily qualify for code A need to take a step back and look at results. Some foreigners qualified for GSL, many did not. I would hardly say they would easily qualify for code A when some struggled to even get to the ro64 in these early GSL tourneys. To me it's pretty obvious they did this so that the people who moved to korea in hopes of making CODE S that failed miserably to do so, will still have a semi easier route to try and get in there. And as much as people want to see foreign representation, I personally would rather see a tournament run fairly where every player is held to the same standards. Not "koreans are held to this standard and a few foreigners have spots reserved for them". The problem is that koreans and foreigners don't start on equal grounds. Koreans who want to participate in GSL just have to sign up, there's no financial/social decisions that have to be made. While a foreigner would have to first of all decide that they are willing to spend atleast 2-3 months in Korea and then either A, convince his team to pay for travel/housing/food or B, pay for it all himself. Those are some pretty heavy decisions to make, especially when you have to get through offline qualifiers, a full A-class ''season'' where you place high enough to enter the S-class qualifiers and then you have to get through that, just to get into the S-class where you can finally start winning some money. Just look at Jinro, he failed to qualify for the first two GSLs before finally getting over that hump and the reason he was able to that was because he has a great sponsor who's willing to spend money on him even though he was having a rough time. Now, maybe I'm underestimating the other foreign teams and sponsors, but it doesn't feel like there are that many teams that can actually have players in Korea for a long enough time to give them time to succeed. But what these 4 foreigner slots do is that they lower the risk for foreigners and their teams since you're essentially cutting the required qualifications to reach S-class by ~1/3, which is a pretty huge number. Especially when you consider the state of SC2 right now, it's still a new game and new rushes and all-ins pop up every other day, which it makes qualifiers even more of a lottery. | ||
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Cep
Germany41 Posts
On December 11 2010 21:06 syllogism wrote: It's like you've never seen a tournament besides GSL. Do you realize almost all foreigner tournaments have seeds and certain players get invited? Do you realize GSL invites players based on success in another tournament, that is to say GSL 1-3? Please read the thread. Having said that, yes it's obviously beneficial for them to have more foreigners participate, but you can easily justify the invitee system regardless of that. Well you certainly can't make a new league, call it your top tier with the top notch players you have to offer, without getting a picture (GSL 1-3) of who your top players really are. And since all 3 tournaments were 'open' everybody was free to participate. | ||
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robertdinh
803 Posts
On December 11 2010 21:06 syllogism wrote: It's like you've never seen a tournament besides GSL. Do you realize almost all foreigner tournaments have seeds and certain players get invited? Do you realize GSL invites players based on success in another tournament, that is to say GSL 1-3? Please read the thread. Having said that, yes it's obviously beneficial for them to have more foreigners participate, but you can easily justify the invitee system regardless of that. GSL invites players based on previous tournaments hosted by them, run with similar competition and similar formats. The difference between the GSL and every foreign tournament is night and day. Some of us that love competition in it's most pure form prefer the players to all be treated equally and for the best player to work his way through and prove himself. As I said before some will be biased towards this system because they want to see foreign representation, but I don't want to see foreign representation unless they earn it the legitimate way like jinro and idra did. | ||
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Ximeng
China57 Posts
I continue to be impressed with the effort of the men and women behind the GSL tournament. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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robertdinh
803 Posts
On December 11 2010 21:34 syllogism wrote: Robertdinh you fail to recognize your own bias. Regardless of what you think of the invitation system, the invited players will still have to prove themselves by going through the gauntlet that is code A tournament to even qualify for the actual tournament. Yet they won't have to prove themselves by going through the gauntlet before that. Thus they have had their route made easier. I am only biased to what is fair. Obviously reserved spots specifically for foreigners are not "fair" since foreign competitions don't have the same level of competition as korean tourneys like the GSL. | ||
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
On December 11 2010 14:46 Brewers wrote: Good News: 4 spots of Code A are guaranteed for top foreign players who has won recent big tourneys or shown considerable performances in non-Korean competitions. That sounds more like bad news to me. It sacrifices value in the competetiveness and honesty of the tournament to greater entertainment. I don't like that at all, but maybe I have completely misunderstood GSL. I feel things like this should be left for purely international events like WCG, and I had seen GSL more like a korean EPS... The other things sound good, even though it is unclear how unranked players are supposed to be able to enter the field. Is it through the offline qualifier with the lesser A-ranked players, or is there something different, or nothing at all? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On December 11 2010 21:36 robertdinh wrote: Yet they won't have to prove themselves by going through the gauntlet before that. Thus they have had their route made easier. I am only biased to what is fair. Obviously reserved spots specifically for foreigners are not "fair" since foreign competitions don't have the same level of competition as korean tourneys like the GSL. The same level of competition as code A qualifiers? They definitely do and besides that's just your subjective opinion. Qualifying for GSL doesn't actually require you to beat all that high level players, as has been repeatedly demonstrated by the level of some of the players who actually qualified to GSL 1-3 and comments made by foreigners who qualified. | ||
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robertdinh
803 Posts
On December 11 2010 21:45 syllogism wrote: The same level of competition as code A qualifiers? They definitely do and besides that's just your subjective opinion. No that's just reality, it is also my opinion, but please don't try to argue that the foreign tourneys can even begin to compare to GSL, cause that dog just aint gon' hunt. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On December 11 2010 21:46 robertdinh wrote: No that's just reality, it is also my opinion, but please don't try to argue that the foreign tourneys can even begin to compare to GSL, cause that dog just aint gon' hunt. You appear to have some reading comprehension problems because GSL qualifiers do not equal the actual GSL, though I would even argue GSL isn't currently very high level at all. I'm confident every single foreigner who attempted to qualify for GSL will agree with me it's much more difficult to win an event such as MLG than to qualify for GSL. | ||
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robertdinh
803 Posts
On December 11 2010 21:48 syllogism wrote: You appear to have some reading comprehension problems because GSL qualifiers do not equal the actual GSL, though I would even argue GSL isn't currently very high level at all. It's all part of GSL, even the qualifiers. CODE S is 32 players, CODE A is 32 players, that's 64 players. How many foreigners have qualified for RO64? How many got much deeper than that? I'd hardly say they have done enough to get a reserved spot in the top 64 spots of GSL. Ask them to say that when they don't get extremely favorable brackets. Select got 2nd place at an MLG, did he qualify? Nope... Huk got 1st place at an MLG, did he qualify? Nope... | ||
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
On December 11 2010 19:44 syllogism wrote: The hilarious thing is that this happens all the time in foreigner tournaments as well and no one whines about that. Blizzard better not invite GSL winners to blizzcon but rather force them to go through qualifiers as well. Blizzard's invitationals or Blizzcon are not serious competitions. They are basically show-matches, at least that's how I have felt about it from the beginning. Players don't enter those themselves and they are not held to find the best x number of players. Pure show, albeit with a bunch of fairly decent prize money. I don't respect Blizzcon as a tournament. Only as a show, and that only if the games are good. | ||
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Corrupted
United States1255 Posts
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