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Aotearoa39261 Posts
There have been a number of threads discussing the strengths and weaknesses of the Razer TSL such as this recent thread. In order to attain the highest quality in any future projects we would like to create a single thread dedicated to TSL review - hence this thread. The staff have a few questions which we would be delighted if you could take the time to answer truthfully, and brutally.
What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
Did you use TSLD at all?
Rank your top three commentary teams
What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
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Feature liked most?
Lots - but if I were to choose only one, it would be the additional displays of information (mineral/gas/supply mined).
Need improvement?
I would prefer that the person controlling the "camera" followed the central action more closely, and during more calm times show us a bit about each player's bases - show how much they're mining and their tech/production building development.
The Razer TSL Site?
Functional, but very thin - and almost everything led back to teamliquid proper, so not much purpose?
TSLD?
Nope.
Top commentary teams?
Chill/Artosis
Iconic moment?
The tremendous probe kills by JF's reaver (in game 4 of the finals, IIRC).
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1. Prizes/Quality/Players I don't know how to put it but the combination of high quality, professionalism and high level players is a winner. 2. 10K is a really big prize pool, but if you guys can improve that and keep the level of quality this league has shown then everything else will fall in place. 3. I didn't use the razer site much because I love TL and I get all my SC needs here, some VODs I watched on youtube but that is just me (it's simpler for my broadband internet and slow comp) 4. No 5. Though one to call, I love Chill because he is zerg and I'm biased. Artosis is pretty good too 6. Dreiven beating Mondragon, goddamn BQQs are powerful, the way nicknames are born from commentaries or interviews are simply things to remember in the future. Whenever I see some of these players playing in the future I'll inmediatly refer to their nicknames, i.e Cookie Monster
Comment - Amazing job guys, couldn't have done better on a first try. Razer should be proud of this league - it's like wine: it will get even better as time passes by - I'll definately will be buying some of their products once I buy a new comp.
Cheers to the TL Team
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Feasibly, no, it was as good as it could have possibly been.
Unfeasibly, I would suggest something out of the box thats not completely necessary, like a live audio interview with winners in their respective rounds (maybe just ro32 and onward).
Its very sad, going back and watching proleague, I keep imagining Chill's/Artosis's voice coming out of my speakers :/
Anyway good luck with TSL2 I know you won't let us down <3
edit: sorry I did not follow procedure, I just wanted to toss in my two bits ^^
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What was the feature you liked most about TSL?I loved the artwork and the player profiles. I also liked the time the games were cast because I could actually watch them at that time of day. What areas needed improvement in the tournament?Every time I watched the cast and saw the intro, I kept saying to myself that some were missing. I wish next time all players in the ro16 could be in the intro video. What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?I never really used the website and watched the stream on vlc instead because using razer meant that I had to watch windows media player in full screen and that does not allow me to access other internet windows easily. Did you use TSLD at all?No, but it's a great feature and I'm sure it will get better as players get more stats. Rank your top three commentary teamsChill/Artosis Chill/Artosis/Vaul (sorry I can't remember completely but it's the one with vaul) Chill/Artosis/Manifesto What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)The Ambition hype, that nearly killed me. And of course voting JF as the champion of TSL and watching him come back from a 0-2. And of course the probe intro lol. Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
Oh ya, I really like that list you guys had of the top 100 players during the ladder stage.
Thank you very much.
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1. I thing the artwork really added to it a lot, it seemed like it made it much more professional, and the extra info during the commentary games like mines and gas, it made it seem korea like
2. This is a harder question to answer because it seems like you guys made everything so perfect. I suppose a live stream would be pretty good?
3. A few times.
4. No :[
5. Artosis and Chill FTW!
6. JF's gosu comeback!
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What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
If I must choose only one, then I must choose the commentators.
What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
The various audio issues that popped up. As in the volume level of the video in the very first broadcast and Day's volume the first time he casted with Artosis. These were very minor issues, though.
The only other thing I can think of is that the commentators should probably conceal the replay bar for themselves somehow. I don't know who amongst them does or does not already do this, but I do know that Day said at one point that he thought he already knew the outcome of a match between Draco and Nony because of the length of the replay bars remainder - I think this could possibly effect casting a bit, as any seasoned player or watcher can usually tell when a game is coming to a close based on the replays length and the player with the current lead/surprising strategy in the game. Pessimistic or overly optimistic views that may not have been related without such knowledge may influence a casters words.
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
I liked it. I used it to watch every broadcast but one, and seeing as I like statistics/looking at the history of things, I enjoyed the results pages. I do admit to only browsing it once or twice outside of watching the streams, however, as there was not much overall content not already derived from the streams and it is simpler to browse the TSL forums from TL itself.
Did you use TSLD at all?
See the above statistic enjoyment for the obvious conclusion. :p
Rank your top three commentary teams
Artosis and Chill Artosis and Day
I did not get the opportunity to hear Yannis or Vaul, and though I liked what I heard from Mani, I didn't hear enough to really be a judge for a third team.
What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
Definitely the finals. + Show Spoiler [Results] +I was personally cheering for JF, and I thought it was going to be over in three after Draco went 2-0. All five games were highly enjoyable, and to have amazing reaver play win JF all three of his games in a row was a "OMG YES" moment.
If I could choose a second and third, second would be the probe intro for the first time and the third would be "DOWN"
Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
Everyone who was involved in it's creation, running, and shine is awesome. Thanks for bringing the foreign scene excitement the likes of which had not been seen.
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What was the feature you liked most about TSL? Its hard to really pinpoint one thing that I liked about TSL, since everything complemented each other. If I were to say one thing, its that the players and competition were definitely a huge part of it.
For instance, Mondi was the #1 and crowd favorite. I was rooting for the underdogs, and thus rooting against him. However, he does bring excitement with him; lots of players tune in just to see him play. DinoT and Rondo brought a style of play that I didnt expect from such unknowns - it was highly entertaining.
What areas needed improvement in the tournament? More coverage, maybe. For instance, broadcast the qualifiers (R1 and R2), or at least some of them. In an earlier post, I mentioned how I loved the ro16, and my excitement slowly dwindled from there. I think it was the variety of players and matchups that kept my interest. Then again, one could argue that there can be too much of a good thing.
Speaking of coverage, there were spikes of activity in the TSL forum. For most of the actual TSL, activity was mostly on game days. Then for the rest of the week, things were quiet. It wouldve been nice if more things were happening throughout the week, especially leading up to the semi-finals and the grand final. I made the thread "Hype Machine" because I felt it was too quiet days before the end of such an event. Cheerfuls was definitely a step in the right direction. Maybe hold more mini-games and contests?
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much? I didnt really go there much at all. Only times I did were when the link was in the teal ticker-bar near the top of this homepage. So accessibility is a huge factor, for me at least.
Did you use TSLD at all? Once or twice maybe. I wanted to know what the stats were on so and so, I checked, Im done, since the stats dont drastically change much or affect how the games will go.
Rank your top three commentary teams 1. Chill + Artosis - imo the best combo, and you didnt have to constantly worry about getting the third person's voice in 2. Artosis + Day - beside the sucky mic, day was pretty good 3. Chill + Artosis + Vaul - vaul's voice = sex. he didnt have the insight and analysis that the others provided, but still
What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come) Two: Upset over Mondi, and Nony losing all those shuttles and reavers
Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make? Nothing in mind atm, but I might come back and edit stuff in. - sound checks. before everything goes live, normalize the volume so that its more of less the same loudness. its little things that can make or break the experience. this was only an issue in the beginning, and like once or twice near the end of the season. - commercial breaks? not to advertise items (although our sponsors probably wouldnt mind), but to showcase community contributions such as cheerfuls, songs, artwork, etc - interviews. i liked them. should do more.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
Quality of games and artwork were really impressive. Plus, not having to wait 15-20 minute between each game like for Starleagues was an added bonus.
What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
Vaul and Chill lag. On a more serious note, it's really hard to find any faults.
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
Nicely made, could add a few more things to it. No, I did not use it much.
Did you use TSLD at all?
Yes, being able to TSLDize all the players is pretty neat. Once TSL's been running more and more seasons, the TSLD will only get better.
Rank your top three commentary teams
Artosis + Chill ez
What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
JF's comeback down 0-2. Hero reavers!
Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
The intro wins. No lies.
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What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
The introduction was terrific. It really set the tournament off in the right direction (well, the prize pool sort of did that for the participants, but for the viewers, this sealed the deal.)
What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
Little things like the latest plugin on the last day (you get to see how many minerals each player mined in the last minute) really make it fun to watch.
On a side note, I'd like it if it started on time. Also, you might want to consider shuffling the time it plays. I have no problem with it so long as its on the weekend, but it seems a lot of Europeans have been complaining about the Sunday schedule (and no one works on Sunday, so you might be able to start earlier.
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
It was terrific. Always updated and a terrific color. Easy scheme too.
Did you use TSLD at all?
YES. I was very impressed with it at first (more surprised actually.) Then I looked at the ELO peak/rating and it didn't exist (right when it came out.) As it got more complete, I began using it more and more.
Rank your top three commentary teams
1.) Day[9] + Chill 2.) Day[9] + Artosis 3.) Chill + Artosis
What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
Definitely the one Artosis made about Brat not expanding until he got his next command center.
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On June 05 2008 12:01 MTF wrote:
The only other thing I can think of is that the commentators should probably conceal the replay bar for themselves somehow. I don't know who amongst them does or does not already do this, but I do know that Day said at one point that he thought he already knew the outcome of a match between Draco and Nony because of the length of the replay bars remainder - I think this could possibly effect casting a bit, as any seasoned player or watcher can usually tell when a game is coming to a close based on the replays length and the player with the current lead/surprising strategy in the game. Pessimistic or overly optimistic views that may not have been related without such knowledge may influence a casters words.
Ya, there were several instances where you can hear the commentators wrapping up the match before the viewers can even guess how much longer its going to last.
Easy solution: sticky notes over the replay progress bar
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What was the feature you liked most about TSL? prize
What areas needed improvement in the tournament? admin decisions (i wont bring up mine but look at machine vs kwak where u made him replay cuss someone dropped when machine had the game 10000000%)
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much? never use it, seen it once and its alright but not needed imo
Did you use TSLD at all? no
Rank your top three commentary teams dunno if you mean top 3 teams which were used or top 3 teams overall... but anyways Artosis / Tasteless Artosis / doesnt rly matter, the rest were just "ok"... I guess Artosis/Chill was best combo.
What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come) for me it was being kicked out... but outside of that probably the bad decision on machines case... lol but besides that... on a positive note... um... i would say... just JF winning. I don't think many special moves or plays will stick in my mind for very long. Not too many innovative / creative players realy played. just a lot of good / solid players. no offense to n e 1 there, good / solid are the way to go just not extremely entertaining to watch.
Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make? no because the ones I would say, I would get madly flamed on even though they would help a lot for the next 1, if u have another 1. Edit: oh, very nice Intro though loved it
g'day
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On June 05 2008 11:24 Plexa wrote:There have been a number of threads discussing the strengths and weaknesses of the Razer TSL such as this recent thread. In order to attain the highest quality in any future projects we would like to create a single thread dedicated to TSL review - hence this thread. The staff have a few questions which we would be delighted if you could take the time to answer truthfully, and brutally. What was the feature you liked most about TSL?Without sounding too cliche, everything. The stream - a few kinks were all that kept this from being perfect. It was lagless, high quality, loaded very fast, and let us all see the amazing TSL. The coverage - The write ups were AMAZING. The hype was unbelievable. The art was godly. The interviews were a look into the gamers we were watching that we don't see so often. They also created a lot of hype with Draco "not practicing" and such. The TSL itself - This is exactly what the foreign Starcraft scene needed. A huge tournament with a huge cash prize and the best of the best playing to win it. Everything was flawless. From the grind up to the top 48, the kicking of hackers and reviewing of replays, and the final matches to decide the winner of the first TSL. What areas needed improvement in the tournament?The only thing I can think of would be a TSL Starcraft server. Iccup is great, and the anti-hack and set up is amazing. But mimicing this so all the matches in the TSL are against the players that are in it would be amazing. The only problem being lack of high level players for the top people to play against. And or a huge skill difference and less people reducing the overall number of games. What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?The website was beautiful. The design was great, the IRC to talk about the games under the stream, the stream itself (see most liked feature), and all of the rules and info right infront of you made it easy to follow along. Did you use TSLD at all?I was aware of it but didn't use it at all because before the games started on the stream all of the players stats were shown in all of their games in the top48. Though i think that in the future with more TSL's it will become used a lot more to look back on map stats and overall stats. This is also a very good feature to see how balanced things are on the foreign level compared to korean. Rank your top three commentary teams1.Artosis & Chill 2.Day9 & Chill 3.Mani & Yannis What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)Being a member of the foreign community for a while, seeing the attempts at this that were good but never right, watching msl and osl so much and wishing we had something outside of korea for us. And then there was the TSL. The hype up to it, the revealing, the entire tournament was perfect. I think the effect this tournament is going to have on the foreign scene of Starcraft and Starcraft 2 in the future will speak for itself. Also, the new faces we saw, such as the hugely dominant TvP king that is BRAT_OK that we will be following for a long time. Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?I'll brokenly quote all the interviews and agree that the tournament was perfect and there isn't a thing that needs changing. Keep up the AMAZING work and I can't wait for TSL 2.0 :D
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
What was the feature you liked most about TSL? - the commentated games including the video artwork; the fantastic cash pot; the constant & appropriate mention of everyone that helped including other sites and last but not least the R1CH factor (everything ran sooo smooth man, thanks!)
What areas needed improvement in the tournament? - commentators need to realize these vods will be listened in to future by new players and by people who have no clue who artosis, chill, etc.. or even teamliquid is - during the casting they need to introduce themselves, the website, etc.. more often (it makes it more pro/appealing too)
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much? - sorry couldn't care less - having said that as I type here I must mention that there is a Razer eXactMat-X-control and a diamondback Razer mouse less than 10 inches from my keyboard : ) i.e. my current mousepad and mouse - so yes, now there is love & years of product loyalty
Did you use TSLD at all? - I had to look it up now to know what it was..
Rank your top three commentary teams - artosis & chill. Artosis = pro, he could easily do this for this for a living. I wish Chill had better delivery but his content is GOLD which made many of us teamliquidians wet ourselves. StarCraft commentating has come a long way since djWHEAT "probie" lol.. Anyway more Mani next one? He was born for radio and when he is not nervous is an awesome commentator. Give him more live practice time and I am 100% sure he will deliver especially with the wider public of StarCraft fans (i.e. the gamers that matter in the long run).
What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come) - Most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? Hands down Razer putting 10k on a 10 year old game for a group of no more than 1000 hard core fans. They really do mean that they cater to GAMERS first, everybody else, second. & JF pulling a 3-0 after he is down 2 games down to none other than Draco O_O!!
Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make? - Improve sound quality or check out a-game's feedback coming up which is awesome. * + Show Spoiler +How the Testie stuff was handled was shameful. Posting publicly, without his consent, a private conversation he had with a tournament organizer was really unprofessional. He should not have been banned nor sanctioned for withdrawing from the competition when the league had no such rules or limitations, regardless the fickle nature of his commitment or any of the excuses he might have had. You simply will not see this in professional leagues. A player withdraws from voluntary participation, you simply replace him. No need for the drama and battle.boy stuff, or in the very least it shouldn't come from the tournament organizers.
* (in spoiler because I do not what that to be the emphasis of my feedback which is 99% positive)
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Feature liked most? Probably the great commentary led by Artosis, and the fact that vods were uploaded very quickly.
Need improvement? If have to say one i'd say i'd like a bo7 final.
The Razer TSL Site? Nice site but I did not used it much.
TSLD? No but now I will.
Top commentary teams? Chill/Artosis Artosis/Day Chill/Day
Iconic moment? JF using reavers
Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make? Like other have said, it would be nice if the casters did not know the lenght of the games.
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is awesome32243 Posts
What was the feature you liked most about TSL? All :p. Interviews are nice, live streams, the artwork is amazing.
What areas needed improvement in the tournament? Maybe make some stuff more newbie friendly. I know all data can be found if you dig enough, but some people tuned in later on the event so stuff like "is it bo3 or bo5?", "who won yesterday?", "how do i watch?" came a lot on irc. Maybe some quick image guides. Don't know how to make it more newbie friendly, it worked for me easily, but some people who are new to TL might be a little lost.
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much? Only for live streaming when i didn't have VLC with me. It's just a matter of bookmarks
Did you use TSLD at all? Nope. But I followed TSL a lot, so i knew results, i know the players, etc.
Rank your top three commentary teams Day + Artosis was very good (after day got his mic fixed) Chill + Artosis Mani + anyone.
What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come) Silly stuff maybe? The intro going on irc. Some commentator quotes, the cheerfuls! (those were another good thing)
Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make? Nope.
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On June 05 2008 11:24 Plexa wrote:What was the feature you liked most about TSL?Involvement of the community. Starcraft is a lot more fun when enjoyed with others. I can't watch proleague matches live, so I usually end up watching them alone on youtube. The english commentary + reading the comments in the irc channel made the games much more exciting, enjoyable, and educational. The cheerfuls and hype threads also made the experience amazing. I also want to mention that the overlays on the streams are really cool. Especially the total minerals being mined from. If there is any way to have more information being displayed on the overlay, I think it would increase the level of professionalism as well as enhance the experience. What areas needed improvement in the tournament?It would be nice to have a really professional looking bracket like the ones they have on the nba/nfl/ncaa websites for the earlier parts of the tournament as well. It is annoying to have to scroll through one and a half pages of text to see all of matches during the earlier rounds. For those of us who couldn't put in the time to actually play during the ladder stage, it would have been nice to have some sort of mini-contests to help pass the time and keep interests piqued. One idea might be to have more of the weekend tournaments (we love you Raelcun!) and have them casted by other members of the community. This might be a good way to discover new talented shoutcasters. Of course, I don't know how complicated the casting setup is, so the costs may outweight the benefits on this one. What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?I looked at it for the second time just now. It's a great site, but I'm just used to using TL and all the info on that website is already on TLnet, so there is no need for me to visit it. Did you use TSLD at all?No, although I think as more seasons of TSLD go on, I would be more inclined to use it. Rank your top three commentary teamsArtosis/Chill combination is amazing. Any other ranking would be pretty arbitrary because I didn't hear enough of the others to make a call either way. What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)JF's inspiring reaver play! Every VOD I've ever seen of him with reavers (Ascension anyone?) has been jaw-dropping. Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?Excellent work so far by everyone. I'm really looking forward to season 2. I've been inspired to train this summer and hopefully place decent in the ladder stage! Thanks to the staff for all their hard work, thanks to the players for several amazing games, and thanks to the community for making TSL completely awesome!
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What was the feature you liked most about TSL? Simply the games and coverage.
What areas needed improvement in the tournament? Cameraman needs to catch all the action, lag boxes and that incident where one of the commentators dropped made it look a little unprofessional.
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much? I didn't use much at all, only to watch games. Did you use TSLD at all? None. Rank your top three commentary teams Artosis/Chill Chill/Day[9] Pretty much it. What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come) The rise and fall of Brat_OK. What an amazing player. Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make? For extra maybe, FPVODS / HD VODS. Highlights reels before semi-finals or finals..MSL-like hype.
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What was the feature you liked most about TSL? The dedication in all aspects of the tournament really impressed me and I feel that the entire TSL as a whole was excellent and it's impossible to single out one feature as better than the others for me. Everyone who worked on TSL did a fantastic job! I think all of the viewers appreciated it immensely.
What areas needed improvement in the tournament? I really did not notice too many areas needed to be improved upon. As I was watching, everything was just totally perfect. The only thing I feel occurred a bit too often is just technical difficulties, but they all were able to solve themselves in the end (audio issues, lagging during finals, stream shutting down). Of course lots of these have no warning in advance so overall the situations were handled very well.
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much? I used it a bit other than the streaming, but there wasn't too much to do there, especially as most of the links redirected back to teamliquid. It is a cool addition though with the information about the tournament and stuff, although not very necessary.
Did you use TSLD at all? Yes, I used TSLD occasionally to check the stats of my favorite players (of course, the data sample is kind of small at this point in time)
Rank your top three commentary teams 1. Chill / Artosis 2. Artosis / Day 3. Chill / Day
What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come) Ahh... how can I choose?! Everything! Being the first of its kind, the hype leading up to the announcement... and then of course the games! The comeback by JF and his $3,000 reavers, the commentators awesome quotes... the upsets, drama, DOWN DOWN DOWN... just totally amazing.
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What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
- The lagless video stream, with the great english commentating and the graphic overlay that showed things like supply and player color etc. The stream is probably the most important part of a tournament.
What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
- The stream wasn't actually live. I found myself being less interested and watching less of the stream knowing that it was basically a VOD anyways.
- The audio wasn't in sync with the video feed. While not a huge deal it was still strange having the audio tell you what was going to happen before it actually happened on the video. It almost defeated the purpose of watching the video at all.
- Too many protoss players in the final bracket. I think this could be partially solved by map choice, taking greater care to pick maps that won't favour protoss in order to counter the high ratio of protoss players in the foreign community.
- Chinese players! Somehow we need to fix the lag problem so that we can have them in the next tourney, I think the high skill of chinese players adds credibility to the tournament and adds incentive to the other participants to play against the best and all in all just makes the trophy glitter that much more. Also Chinese players have some pretty powerful non-protoss players so their inclusion helps balance out the protoss-heavy contingent from the rest of the world.
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
- I thought it was great, professionally made and very stylish. I definitely used it. It was well organized and easy to use.
Did you use TSLD at all?
- Unfortunately no, with the foreign players being rather amateurish I never felt the need to look up map or race statistics seeing as foreign play is pretty much a crap shoot as far as I'm concerned. Maybe I will find a need for such information in the next season. Either way I think it's great to have TSLD.
Rank your top three commentary teams
- Chill & Nony
- Chill & Artosis
- Artosis & Nony
What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
- Honestly just tuning into the stream for the first time, with the professional introduction probe and the graphical overlay and the high quality english commentary, the $10k prize, all of that flooding before your eyes and then thinking to yourself "our little teamliquid did all this???". It's a huge accomplishment that I don't think I ever thought could've happened.
Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
- I think I've addressed all the areas I see potential improvement could be wrought, so I just have to say that this tournament has left me flabbergasted. I didn't know volunteers, let alone volunteers so close to home, could pull off such a sleek operation for no material rewards. I think the entire foreign community just feels like a spoiled little brat that's been given a gigantic chocolate cake and we're all rather ashamed because we've done nothing to deserve such riches. Nonetheless we shall certainly eat and enjoy the experience while it lasts! It's all just too much to comprehend really!
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