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Spike
Profile Joined October 2003
United States1392 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-05 17:51:36
June 05 2008 17:48 GMT
#61
What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
the money to attract players
the ladder stages
the stream + commentary

What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
- camera movement. this really comes down to repitition as you'll get better the more you do it. however, i wish that the camera would follow the commentary more or vice versa. sometimes the camera lingers too much on unimportant stuff; i.e. buildings and even sometimes armies doing nothing and miss out on harrasment.

- variety in music and artwork. some songs were overused, and yes, the intro was overused as well. i know it takes a lot of work to make an intro, but showing the same one over and over got tedious. perhaps now that TSL is more known, you can use artists from around the SC community.

- the map pool. forget the "balance issues". imo, long and exciting games are very map dependent, and the ones chosen for the tournament could have been better.

- the ro32 was a little messy in terms of coverage. it was your first time doing such a thing so i'm sure it will be better the next time around.

- there was a lot of hype running up to the announcement of TSL but little during. it's a lot of work, i know, but try to keep the hype up through the whole thing. create more connections between the whole SC community and the tournament. this could be done through more interviews, cheerfuls, prizes, etc.

- suggestion really. have someone make a really large and nice looking bracket; i.e. the NCAA mens basketball tournament, including all 48 players. that would be really nice.

What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
only used it to watch the stream

Did you use TSLD at all?
just heard of it

Rank your top three commentary teams
artosis, day, and chill were excellent; combine any two of them
although to be fair, i didn't watch too much of the ro32 matches so i don't really remember vaul and the others

What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
the probe intro; never got tired of that one
Brat_Ok

Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
overall, TSL was a very well run and fun tournament and i can't wait for the next one (when is it btw).
the stream was excellent for the most part.
you guys should be very proud.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 05 2008 18:02 GMT
#62
What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
The whole thing was great - my favorite single feature was the "minerals mined in the last minute" part of the overlay. It really helps tell who is ahead, especially in mirror matches.

What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
I want to see more interviews with the losers, as well as more live interviews with players after their games.


Rank your top three commentary teams
artosis chill and day of course, any permutation.


PunkSkeleton
Profile Joined January 2003
Poland226 Posts
June 05 2008 18:43 GMT
#63
What was the feature you liked most about TSL?

The casting. Artosis was great :-). Also the whole art - music, pictures, videos. It was IMO much better than Korean StarLeagues and... I could finally understand the casting :-).

What areas needed improvement in the tournament?

I did not like 2 things about TSL: tournament structure and casting time.
I would prefer old OSL format with group stage of 16 and then group stage of 8. It's much more fair.
Casting time was horrible for me. It begins at 22:30, most people in my country have to get up in 8 or less hours and go to work if it's on Sunday... It's OK if there are 4-5 games scheduled, but not 10...

What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?

I did not like it. It lacked information (I couldn't even find how much money is there for each place!), also the layout didn't seem clear for me.

Did you use TSLD at all?

I did when I saw the news. Later I just couldn't find it!

What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)

There are many. I will surely remeber JF's comeback in the finals, even though I was cheering for Draco. It was really impressive! I will also remember Dreiven beating Mondragon and Dinot quater final game on Wuthering Heights.

Also the quotes like "I dont think we're gonna see Brat take another base until he expands" or "He's going to have to time his push to hit the sweet spot" -> "Here comes the big, hard, huge push!" made it an event worth of remembering .

Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
Make a live stream . It's always a different level of emotions when ypu're watching it live!
napoleon1337
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Germany28 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-05 18:54:46
June 05 2008 18:54 GMT
#64
What was the feature you liked most about TSL?

- The plus of information given in the matches, like the mines gas and mines per minute
- That the stream was accessible withe every player i like, cause the steam-url was given
- English commentator

What areas needed improvement in the tournament?

- steam wasnt live
- i would like to see koreans as well as nomarl professional players
- less talking between the matches

What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?

- it was well designed but i didnt used it much, except for the lottery and to see the steam-url

Did you use TSLD at all?


- not at all

Rank your top three commentary teams

- no way :>

What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)

- Chill saying tons of units of the prots are smelt down cause of tons of tanks, the terran has tons of mines, tons of drones going down, tons of scvs going down :D
tons of funny moments, tons tons tons

Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?

- the tournament was fun, and i would like to see more, thanks
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goldrush
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada709 Posts
June 05 2008 19:04 GMT
#65
I know that many of the things that I suggest might be unfeasible but I'm saying them because they might be.

What was the feature you liked most about TSL?

The professional nature of the tournament, with regularly scheduled broadcasts, matches and good commentary.

What areas needed improvement in the tournament?

More active monitoring of cheating during the tournament (maybe even have some outside people do the grunt work of checking and if they find a hack then before anything is said/decided, someone from the TL staff could check the replay themselves). Better communication between the camera and the commentators. Oh, and the video on the Razer site required it to be fullscreened, which was very annoying. I like the IRC/video stream setup but that's kinda useless if you have to fullscreen just to see the stream. It might be good to 3 commentators, each of which plays a different race at a high level, and switch between the three depending on the matchup so that they can offer some really good insight into the thought process of hte matchup. It just isn't the same if the commentators don't play the race.

What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?

It was alright, but I found the VLC stream much more convenient because you didn't need to fullscreen it.

Did you use TSLD at all?

Not enough data yet for it to be an accurate measure. It also ranks JF below Draco, which is clearly blasphemy.

Rank your top three commentary teams

Chill and Artosis
Day and Artosis

What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)

JF taking it from draco after being down 0-2.

Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?

Thanks to Razer and you guys for making it happen!
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-05 19:26:06
June 05 2008 19:24 GMT
#66
What was the feature you liked most about TSL?

Competition, the whole idea of a great tournament open for everybody! We haven't had this in Brood War community since forever. Inactives became active again, the community lifted enormously, even other followers of esport from other games became interested in what you were doing!

What areas needed improvement in the tournament?

Advertising, the lag fear (although it might have been better this way, I'm not really sure), and some disruptions in the stream. Also the bannings of chinese players + the hacker made the ladder stage slightly chaotic. I agree with it but those decisions should be made before the whole thing starts.

What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?

Only for stream. Nice art and graphics on it though, maybe a little too much in comparison with the info on the site.

Did you use TSLD at all?

No, I didn't even know about it until now.

Rank your top three commentary teams

ANYONE WITH CHILL. I love him!
so something like this:

1. chill + artosis
2. chill + hotbid (yeah I know, too bad )
3. chill + day

What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)

Being able to play all the top foreigners in the ladder stage . And all the strong reactions for and against Draco in his interviews (personally I'm a fan).

Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?

I think that sums it up.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-05 20:49:48
June 05 2008 20:48 GMT
#67
What was the feature you liked most about TSL?

I loved the artwork,and the quality of the commentary.

What areas needed improvement in the tournament?

Well occasional updates on upgrades would help,in Brat and NonY finals,it was like 5 minutes before the cameraman finally clicked on a terran unit so I could see the upgrades..

What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?

It looked nice,I used it 5-6 times and to look at brackets,but i mostly used the WMP stream.


Did you use TSLD at all?

Yeah quite alot.

Rank your top three commentary teams

Artosis+Chill,Tasteless' Bro+Artosis..Manifest(Deep voiced guy)Chill and the other dude

What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)

Now that i remember,Drevien beating Mondragon 2-0 was the biggest upset ive seen in a while..

JF > Draco was second

EDIT : Changed iconic moment.



Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?

Intro was the shit..
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SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
June 05 2008 21:30 GMT
#68
On June 05 2008 13:44 a-game wrote:
[*]The audio wasn't in sync with the video feed. While not a huge deal it was still strange having the audio tell you what was going to happen before it actually happened on the video. It almost defeated the purpose of watching the video at all.

That's probably a software problem on your end; it was always in sync for us (apart from when Chill lagged on vent and his audio was behind). I assume game sounds were out of sync as well?
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asel
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Germany1599 Posts
June 05 2008 22:59 GMT
#69
What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
The outstanding coverage and great cast.

What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
coverage of the groups :<

What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
no, it makes my browser laggy

Did you use TSLD at all?
not yet, but if you keep it i will use it more and more

Rank your top three commentary teams
Day/Artosis
Artosis/any1


What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
Mondragon losing to Dreiven T_T

Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
Use replays of both players and not only the winner, its easy to see who won the series after the first match :/

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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
June 05 2008 23:08 GMT
#70
On June 06 2008 07:59 asel wrote:
Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
Use replays of both players and not only the winner, its easy to see who won the series after the first match :/

That only happened once and we took care of it afterwards (most of the time we had referees in the game, except when it lagged too much, and used the replays of the referee anyway).
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Antipathy
Profile Joined June 2008
United States222 Posts
June 06 2008 00:13 GMT
#71
What was the feature you liked most about TSL?

The most attractive feature for the TSL for me is the fact that it is a foreign starleague. It's really fun to think that now the common foreign starcraft player has a chance to play in a starleague themselves. Anyone can enter the TSL, you don't have to live in a certain area, and there is a decent prize pool involved.

What areas needed improvement in the tournament?

1. What was being commentated on wasn't neccessarily what was on camera or vice versa. It was really annoying when a commentator would go on and on about so-and-so's economy but the camera man was showing a psi storm drop that had come and gone. I noticed Manifesto7 would guide the camera with his comments by saying things like, "If we look at so-and-so's base you will see that he is making a templar archives." The cameraman is queued to follow the comments and helps them be in sync. The cameraman needs some way to tell the commentators that he is watching a point of excitement and vice versa.

2. Day[9]. I have a love and hate relationship with his commentary. He would at times, provide really deep and insightful comments to the game that Artosis and Chill didn't always touch on - that I really liked. If I wanted a Brood War coach, Day[9] would on that list. Here is my gripe, from an pure entertainment standpoint, I couldn't stand the way Day[9] worded things. Too many things were "SO important" or "EXTREMELY crucial." I'm sure he did not mean it this way, but it came off as fake. Also during player's profiles he would simply read off the stats to us which I found to be annoying. I can read the stats myself, and I'm sure he has some other insight to the player that is not on the stat sheet which he can touch on. If I'm sitting here with a bag of chips trying to enjoy a Brood War match, Day's commentary was not welcome to my ears. Let me put it this way, take Day's good comments and put them behind Artosis' voice you would have gold. Anywho, take this comment with a grain of salt, as it is my mere honest opinion.

3. I'm pretty sure that the commentator's can see the replay length. The only times I found this irritating is when the commentator's would say, "He's going to tap out any second now." I'm pretty sure this is due to the fact that they can see the replay length. The audience cannot see the replay length so I would ask that the commentator's do not make such comments that give away the match ending at any moment.

What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?

I liked the website alot, however it wasn't updated very quickly after match results.

Did you use TSLD at all?

Yes, I did a little bit of browsing.

Rank your top three commentary teams

Artosis/Chill. I also liked Manifesto7.

What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)

Definitely Dreiven defeating Mondragon.

Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?

Sometimes, if a player left the game early it was really abrupt. I'm thinking back to one of the Draco vs. Nony games, where Nony saw that Draco's army was much larger than his and conceded there. However we didn't get the "Nony has left the game" message and it really felt like, "oh that's it?" I think it would be more helpful to use the game winner's or referee's replay so we can have the "so-and-so" has left the game message, as an official indication of who won.
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Phyre
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1288 Posts
June 06 2008 01:31 GMT
#72
What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
The practically lag free stream. While it had a few hiccups now and then, I think it was absolutely awesome overall. The only time I've ever had a stream as fast and reliable as TSL's was during the GSI tournament. And they had much much bigger budgets to work with.

What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
The commentators stepped over each other a bit with the exception of Artosis and Chill, for whatever reason they seem to have really good chemistry and just work. I like what Day9 adds to the commentary, just didn't seem to mesh with Artosis as well as Chill did. Day9 seems like he fits the same slot as Artosis in TSL commentary in that both seem to want to do the blow by blow commentary. Having more defined roles as to who is doing play by play and who is doing strategy might smooth things over. Gentho and Artosis seemed to have that worked out very well in Ascension, not sure if Artosis and Chill discussed it beforehand but they also seemed to just fit.

There was a bit of an interview with Nony at one point, would like to see more of that. As we saw this season, sarcasm and jokes can really be misinterpreted when presented entirely through text. What with all the crap about "X player is so arrogant blah blah..." and "OMG DRACO'S PRACTICE IS A LIE" douchebaggery going on. I think speaking to the players live, on the air so to speak, would clear things up a great deal and bring the viewers even closer to their favorite players.

I only used the TSL chat room once on the first day and never used it again due to lack of moderation and general spam. Not sure if it improved later, I hope it did. I stayed in #teamliquid anyway.

What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
Not a huge fan of the layout, could be made a bit cleaner but that's just nitpicking. The content is great though, I used the Coverage section all the time to help fill in my friends that missed an episode or two. Very nice to have. I used the VLC stream instead of the browser stream since it would sometimes go blank or something as I shuffled around windows.

Did you use TSLD at all?
Yes, but unless I'm missing something there is no easy link to it anywhere on the site. I resorted to clicking the "TLPD" button on the right and then changing the "TLPD" part of the url to "TSLD" in order to get to the TSLD. Just like the TLPD though, the TSLD was a great resource and I used it to hunt down vods and stats quickly and easily. Passed it along to my friends too.

Rank your top three commentary teams
1) Artosis + Chill
2) Day9 + Chill
3) Artosis + Day9

What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
The Probe intro. lol Too many great moments during the games to remember them all, the Polish Draco fanboy horde, the spamming of "DOWN" during the intro, and probably more I can't recall right now. Lots of great moments.

Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
Not right now. Just an overall awesome tournament. Thanks everyone.
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SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
June 06 2008 03:44 GMT
#73
On June 06 2008 09:13 DaleKim25 wrote:
3. I'm pretty sure that the commentator's can see the replay length. The only times I found this irritating is when the commentator's would say, "He's going to tap out any second now." I'm pretty sure this is due to the fact that they can see the replay length. The audience cannot see the replay length so I would ask that the commentator's do not make such comments that give away the match ending at any moment.

Nah, they run this to hide the progress bar. Day apparently wasn't aware of this during the 3rd place match though.
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SkatesSC
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States191 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-06 07:46:59
June 06 2008 07:40 GMT
#74
What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
I think the organization of the event was amazing. Considering the short amount of time it went from idea to actually happening, wow.
The casters were great, I especially liked the Artosis + Chill casting team, great job guys.
The live streams were great, the overlays were very well done.
The obs overall did well I think, the only downside was when the casters were talking about one thing and we were seeing another. However, sometimes the obs caught things the casters didn't and in that case it was good.

What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
What could be done better? Who knows, I'm sure 90% of TL visitors don't know. Surprise us like always, we'll be waiting to be amazed yet again by the TL staff.

What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
The website was good. Only thing I could suggest is making the player names in the coverage area clickable to a link to their TSLPD profile (like the pictures were, but say, in the brackets and such)

Did you use TSLD at all?
Not too much, but next time around I will for sure. Especially for Liquibet to get a good feel for what players did in TSL1.

Rank your top three commentary teams
1. Artosis + Chill
2. Artosis + Chill
3. Artosis + Chill

What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
Ambition and the hype. Even though a lot of people guessed what was coming and guessed correctly, the hype was awesome. TSL turned out to be nothing short of amazing and outdid the hype in my opinion.
Mondragon losing was huge as well, a lot of people expected him to take it all very very easily.
JF's amazing finals.

Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
We <3 you Hot_Bid, sorry I contributed to your weeks of clearing out your PM box. You can thank Chill
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Sirakor
Profile Joined April 2003
Great Britain455 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-06 12:13:47
June 06 2008 12:04 GMT
#75
What was the feature you liked most about TSL?

Hard to say, as the event on a whole was so awesome, but live coverage with english commentaries & video overlays really made it shine.

What areas needed improvement in the tournament?

None, it was already awesome. That being said, it's always possible to strife for more, so a couple of things (although I want to make a strong point to say that the event was great, so take it as suggestion for improvement rather than criticism):

- Sometimes in the earlier rounds it wasnt so clear where you can find information about the standings. There was a main thread in the TSL forum, but it didnt have results updated, so you had to dig around in the forums/comments. It would be nice to have a standard format (like in the later rounds), where it's also easy to find results if you missed the match and want to know
- Sound equalizing in the earlier rounds, worked well towards the end
- Little stream hickups
- Some caster combinations worked out better than others (eg Chill/Artosis/Day combos worked very well). Some other combos, or rather their styles and approaches, were also very interesting and would be worth bringing back for another try, perhaps after some internal practise (cues for each other etc). For example I liked Yannis' approach of asking questions, developing this a bit further could turn out interesting.
- Casters as everyone else have favourite phrases/words, some maybe overused a bit in the heat of the moment, but I'm sure time will solve this just fine
- Recaps/reviews/digests/highlights would be really awesome to have (see last question)

What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?

I didnt use it much, standings and brackets could have been a bit more verbose. The mouseover bracket highlighting was ok, but not so easy to follow in the later stages of the tournament.

Did you use TSLD at all?

Hardly. That being said, I used it more often than the TLPD, so not really significant.

Rank your top three commentary teams

1. Chill/Artosis
2. Day + X
3. Vaul for not having an american accent ;-) and Yannis for mixing this up by being different

What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)

Difficult to say, but probably seeing the intro (both probe + players) for the first time. There were some great matches and moments that really stood out, but as time passes match moments get mixed up in my head and the intro was so unique that I guess it'll stay. Maybe it also has to do with the excitement of watching the first live game of the TSL on big screen, full volume etc :-)

Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?

Once again, it was really great, and I'd love to see a second instalement!

I also would like to mention that I liked the strategical/bo/etc explanations by the casters (eg. explanation of fake-double, potential advantages of builds/counters etc), Yannis' type questions etc thrown in every now and then. I think it's important to keep this in the cast, to also allow spectators who are new to the game to gain some insight. Sure, most of the commentaries should focus on the action, but given some time these things make the report much richer. The same also goes for player-style/personality analysis, eg references to mind games like a player known to play straight up, safe, with mid-late game focus to suddenly cheese (eg Draco vs JF game 1), etc; or answering questions from the IRC channel (even if it was about the natural ... maybe it helped someone, and it was amusing to the rest). Thanks again to all the casters!

I already mentioned reviews/recaps/highlights earlier. I do realize that implementing this would be a huge effort and may not be feasible, but it imho would be a nice idea nevertheless. There are two aspects to this. Firstly, the qualification stages. Obviously it would be too time consuming and unfeasible to have live casts of all these games. Having replays is great, but not everyone has enough time to follow all of them, so you kind of rely on someone else recommending good games to watch. Furthermore, whilst it's nice to have replays, I much more enjoy watching a well done commentary. Thus I was thinking it would be nice to have a video "digest" of a qualification day, similar to what you see in sports shows on TV, loosely following this format. Pick some games with epic moments, and show a few minutes of key moments of each, with commentary, and a summary of all results at the end. This would maybe be aiming to be a ~30-60min video, with maybe openers, key moments, deciding battles of let's say ~5-7 games, and some stats/result tables in between. This need not be ready on the same day, 1-2 later would also be fine I think.

A second aspect of this would apply to the after game/in between game commentary. It is always nice to have casters summarize key moments/decisions of the game (if there were any), and it would be absolutely awesome to have a replay of the moment after the game (like the half time commentary in soccer, with key chances and goals). Imagine seeing the godly game deciding reaver micro pop-out-pop-in again just after the game. If the referee/obs can take note of these moments, and the video team can prepare a few 10-20sec clips while the casters are casting the game, it could even fit in with the "live" aspect of casting from the replay.
SURGETOSS
Profile Joined March 2008
United Kingdom11 Posts
June 06 2008 16:22 GMT
#76
What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
Hard to pick just one, but probably the commentaries; they helped to really make this feel like a proffessional tournament

What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
The only thing that I felt let the tournament down SLIGHTLY was that there was little to differenciate the final from any other BO5 played previously. Obviously a ceremony is out of the question, but perhaps another awesome video to round things off and make them feel complete.

What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
The website looked very proffessional, and was highly useful if you happened to miss a match, I would have used it more if the embedded video stream worked for me, as it did not I used VLC player which meant I did not go to the site as much.

Did you use TSLD at all?
No, but not because I looked on it negatively at all, I don't think it got as much hype as other aspects of the tournament, and so time between matches was spent on more commercial parts of the TSL.

Rank your top three commentary teams
Day[9] / Chill
Artosis / Chill
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What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
Probably the Dreivan destroying Mondragon upset

Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
Just a big thanks to all the staff and everybody involved!
fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-06 18:30:43
June 06 2008 18:30 GMT
#77
What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
The thing I liked most was the concept, meaning an english starleague. The best feature in my opinion was the caliber of players involved and english commentary. I think the money was a big factor in attracting these players, but also all of the details, which include the website, artwork, intro videos, etc. These all help make it more prestigious which also attracts players probably as much as the money.

What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
Like I said initially, the best thing about the TSL is that it is an english stargleague. So the differences between it and a korean starleague are the things that needs to be "improved".

I think that the commentating, which is was of the best features, could also use the most improvement. This is by no means an easy task, as there are people who do this professionally and can always get better. Some goals I would aim for would be:
  • Try to add some shout-casting excitement into the game. There were some awkward moments when a mine or something went off and a bunch of things died, and there were no comments on it. I'm not sure if it was missed or what. But sometimes it happened when the casters were taking about something else, and only 5-10 seconds later it was mentioned. I think a better way to go might be what the korean casters would do, and I don't know korean, but I assume its something like "Yea, so he's moving his forces north, his econom-- OMG WTF HE LOSES THOSE DRAGOONS TO MINES, THE HUMANITY." Perhaps watch some of the K-man's videos.
  • Talk about the map in the beginning of the match, including its name, common strategies, difficulties in the mu, etc. Done to some extent but can always be improved.
Another area is map movement, which is another thing that can be improved indefinitely. My main criticism of this is not clicking on things, for example if there are 10 dragoons that are wounded just click on each one (or select all of them with that program you have). Also click on buildings. The other things, such as going where the action is, will just be improved over time.

What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
Pretty good, used it to watch live games. One thing to add would be torrent download links in addition to the youtube videos on the coverage page.

Did you use TSLD at all?
Did not know about it.

Rank your top three commentary teams
All were good, especially artosis and chill.

What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
For me I would say it was brat_ok, the russian terran, and only terran, coming out of nowhere and winning everything, only to be stopped ultimately by a seemingly imbalanced map. Will definitely be waiting for the next TSL to see him play.

Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
A re-stream might be a good idea. I missed a couple because of the times, although a lot of people might watch it twice. Possibly P2PTV?

Also, the finals coincided with the last week of my quarter.
Do you really want chat rooms?
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
June 06 2008 20:07 GMT
#78
What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
I liked the commentators the best. Insightful, funny, and just all around made each match really enjoyable.

What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
Everything so far is great, but broadcasting like the group stages and Ro32 would be awesome.

What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
I used it a bit, not too much though.

Did you use TSLD at all?
A few times, but I think at this point, there are so few games that have been played in the TSL, it isn't much help. But as more and more games are played, it will get better. But it will be helpful in the future when I want to quickly find/watch one of the vods.

Rank your top three commentary teams
Artosis, Chill, and Manifesto.

Day9 was good too, but his microphone kinda took away from his quality. Nony was great too in the recast of Draco vs Strelok.

What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
The huge upset between Mondragon vs Dreiven.

Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
8882
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
2718 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-06 23:43:47
June 06 2008 23:27 GMT
#79
What was the feature you liked most about TSL?


You guys organizing the whole event was the best feature!

The top10 replay selection after each week was great (at least for me, as I dont have much time and I really appreciate such things).
The 2nd best thing were the VODs obviously.

What areas needed improvement in the tournament?

Sadly, coverage was the worst part of the TSL.
The news on the front page of teamliquid.net would often only direct to the small VOD thread + have a spoiler with the results without any description/other information. Often, you guys would make 1000+ word posts with the predictions of the games, but there would be no aftermath summary news posts.

I missed the battlereports of the games, as I really enjoy reading them (it does not take much time and I dont have much time due to work t_T), but you probably didnt make them because you wanted the people to watch the VODs.
Perhaps you could make these "short" descriptions (5-10 lines) with a summary of the games - they could be even spoiler free (e.g. not state the winner).

The youtube VODs would often come late, but that's not your fault basically.. it's the youtube uploading randomness.

Basically, you guys created a fantastic event, but I felt that you didnt give it enough publicity (with news comming every day, some summary of each match etc.).
Check GG.net - they create a lot of coverage even for small events (always on the frontpage).


What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?

What was it? Was there any news leading to it? Some forum post directed to a website with the bracket, but I never managed to find the website again.
I only read the news and watched the youtube vods.
Or hatchery.teamliquid.net = razer website?

I visited the razer mice website but it wasnt the tsl website.

Did you use TSLD at all?

NO.
I dont even know what that TLPD thing is, because you have never made a post about it actually (when you make a post there is also some sort of star, hydralisk etc. no idea how do they work). I often think that the TLPD is the search bar and type things into it..

Rank your top three commentary teams

Chill gave very in-depth info.
His only flaw was the fact that he sounds so lifeless and depressed...
Get him some vitamins or something or a good dinner, as he make a great job, but need a bit more energy

What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)

Mondragon lossing the games to Dreiven. I dont know how did he lose them.
The 2:0 -> 2:3 final was really impressive too.
The infested terran replay, from the top 10 replays was great. Not to mention the 9500 replays being published.. (hopefully someone will select the best games out of them).

Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?[/QUOTE]

The person who was "watching" (selecting what to show) the vods seemed to miss a lot of things in the games. Few times drops/battles were missed. In addition, few times the commentators would say something completely different from the things that were happening on the screen whith would be quite commical (e.g. "big battle happening on screen" and the screen would show a 5 vs 5 unit battle..).
Also, when the commentators said that "this is the best game I have ever seen" it didnt sound too frank. You guys could also work a bit on your vocabulary, because you seemed to be quite repetitive for native speakers (IDK, say "sons of aiur" instead of protoss etc.)

I hope that you could make some sort of summary thread with the best replays. Unfortunately I dont have much time to browse through them and cant submit any at the moment

Anyway, these are small things that are very easy to be improved and you created a big and fantastic event! Many thanks!

I have returned
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-07 01:04:53
June 07 2008 01:04 GMT
#80
It's all about Razr TSL =)

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