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What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
I liked the whole thing, with videostream, comentators and high quality games. Even that u guys put up such a effort to make it work. With these cool inside videos (like the probe) and the programs in the stream showing minerals etc.
Then i really must say i like how the group stage work..
What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
The top 16 brackets is little unfair in my opinion. I think it worked well but think it is unfair for some of the players that are out in the beginning of the bracket. I have an ide how to do it little more fair. I would like 2 have a second group stage like the first one with 4 groups for the top 16. Maybe it will be little more fair and then in end just have top 8 battle it out for the money. They will play atleast on more game deciding if they will stay or not.
I also read another guy who had made a post here who talked about the Chinese guys. I heard that pretty late that u banned all these guys. I think it would have been nice to have them in the next tsl since they are so good and can make some awesome games.
The only map i really liked this season was blue storm. The other maps was little to much protoss favoured. Witch i think is pretty clear when like nearly all people in the end was protoss.
Would also be cool if u next season maybe talked with the sponsor to get atleast the top 4 to some location where the final games was casted. With showing apm and showing and talking to them live little like wcg. And making a little longer final cast.
One thing i dident like about the cast was that after the games they suddenly stopped talk about the game or the cast was suddenly over. I would have like to see some talk about why one gamer one it or what the commentators think about the upcoming match the gamer will play. And talk some after the game also.
Another thing i think the commentators missed pretty often was to talk about the upgrades.
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
Yeah i used the page to look up stuffs fast. The things i missed on the page now was info about the top 16. Would like the infor their that was on the cast. Like little of their statics and about their performance and so on.
Did you use TSLD at all?
Dont even know what TSLD is.
Rank your top three commentary teams
1: Chill & Artosis
2: Chill & Day
3: Artosis & Day
What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
The thing i probebly will remember after a couple of years is the stream and the price money part. Since it was the first really big tournament outside korea. I will also remember the pretty unknown brat_ok starting to make his name public. Totally raping in t-p
Dreiven totaly raping in p-z
JF 0-2 => 3-2 win (Specially liked game 4)
Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
I think i have addressed it all. Thx for a great tournament and i would also like to thank everybody who have made this tour possible.
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What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
The commentating. Chill and Artosis were awesome beyond anything I would have imagined. The perfect commentary for me.
What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
No +m during the TSL intro on IRC. Seriously, the spamming was funny as hell, why block that? Let people spam during the intro, kick everyone who spams after/before the intro.
The only other thing was that it wasn't live. And that observers and commentators looked at different areas of the map was kind of annoying.
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
Skipped over it. Never used it really though.
Did you use TSLD at all?
Looked it up once for the semi final stats.
Rank your top three commentary teams
1. Chill Artosis
2. Chill Artosis
3. Chill Artosis
What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
Mondragon losing 2:0. I just couldn't believe it.
Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
Wait, it was all REPLAYS!??!
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On June 05 2008 11:35 Zona wrote:
Feature liked most?
Lots - but if I were to choose only one, it would be the additional displays of information (mineral/gas/supply mined).
Need improvement?
I would prefer that the person controlling the "camera" followed the central action more closely, and during more calm times show us a bit about each player's bases - show how much they're mining and their tech/production building development.
The Razer TSL Site?
Functional, but very thin - and almost everything led back to teamliquid proper, so not much purpose?
TSLD?
Nope.
Top commentary teams?
Chill/Artosis
Iconic moment?
The tremendous probe kills by JF's reaver (in game 4 of the finals, IIRC).
Almost agree with everything you said.
Feature I liked the most? The way everything was packaged. The Artwork and coverage was out of this world.
I would like to see better flow next time, i.e. no network/technical difficulty problems and telecast interviews.
TSL website was pretty thin.
TSLD? Yes, I used it a few times to watch a few matches I missed.
Commentary Teams?
Artosis and Chill (good chemistry and different voices)
Artosis and Day[9] (sound too much alike though)
Artosis, Chill and Vaul
Mike volume was a common problem as well.
Iconic Moment? The raping Mondragon received from Dreiven. I knew D was always a monster at PvZ, but he committed manslaughter that night. JF's probe kills was pretty good too. DinOt awesome unorthodox play. Seriously people have to play more like him. He should have stuck to all his unorthodox plays to win.
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What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
The coverage
What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
I'd pack the semis, the 3rd/4th and the final in the same weekend.
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
I used it a lot. I the forums, there are so many Razer TSL threads that sometimes is difficult to find your answers.
Did you use TSLD at all?
No sorry
Rank your top three commentary teams
Chill + Artosis. Hands down
What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
Dreiven marching over Mondragon was I N C R E D I B L E !
Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
Hope the next TSL will be like the present edition.
I'd like to see the winner playing with some korean PRO
GJ TL !
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On June 05 2008 11:24 Plexa wrote:There have been a number of threads discussing the strengths and weaknesses of the Razer TSL such as this recent thread. In order to attain the highest quality in any future projects we would like to create a single thread dedicated to TSL review - hence this thread. The staff have a few questions which we would be delighted if you could take the time to answer truthfully, and brutally. What was the feature you liked most about TSL?Has to be the coverage, awesome with streaming, tbh I couldnt care less if it was live or, I personally wouldnt notice the difference. Also I liked the hype threads,interviews etc  What areas needed improvement in the tournament?I feel that its not much that needs improvement, some things that I personally would like alot would be more casting of the ro32 matches, maybe spread them out over more days, if possible, since I really enjoy the tournement, I want to see as many commented games as possible. Also I wouldnt mind some more short breaks between games, I know that commentators talk after game till next starts and that I can take a break then, but I just dont want to miss anything they have to say What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?Website looks good, but I didnt find it all that useful , most of the times stuff got updated on teamliquid.net before the razer site, so I didnt use it that much, saw some streaming on it as well Did you use TSLD at all?Think I was in there once to check some stats of the tsl players, but will probably use it more the next season. Rank your top three commentary teamsArtosis/Chill was the best in my opinion Day/Chill was good as well ^^ What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)Think it was Dreiven 3-0 Mondragon, and JF`s amazing comeback in the final series. I was so sure that it would be a clear 3-0 for Draco, but out of nothing JF pops some reavers and owns it up ^^ Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
Great tournement, great coverage, I really thank all of you that made this possible! Cant wait till tsl 2, gonna be awesome !
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What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
The ladder stage which pretty much allowed anyone to play in the TSL.
The prizepool of course, the flawless stream and the commentary.
Also, this wasn't really a feature but i still loved the #teamliquid IRC channel during every game.
What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
I honestly can't think of that much to improve on since this is by far the best online Starcraft
tournament i have ever seen. Perhaps allow for some more user made content such as the cheerfuls, it really adds to the competition when you see what fans think about their favorite
player etc.
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
It looked good but i didn't really find any good use for it.
Did you use TSLD at all?
Not during the TSL because it was pretty easy to keep track of your favorite players, but if that feature would exist outside of the TSL it would be awesome (although i know that would be time consuming as hell).
Rank your top three commentary teams
Artosis/Chill
Artosis/Day[9]
Artosis/Mani
What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
Mondragon not winning the entire thing, i still wake up in a cold sweat screaming my lungs out after countless horrible nightmares of seeing Dreiven eliminating Mondragon. Iefnaij beating Draco 3-2 in the final after losing the first 2 games, i don't think i'll ever forget the IRC channel when Draco gg'd in the last game.
Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
Not much more to add, i loved every second of it.
Thanks Teamliquid!
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What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
The enthusiasm by everyone involved
What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
I'm not sure if you released the finals replays (you released so many so I'm just making a really minor point) but if you didn't because of sponsorship issues you could maybe hack a loading screen and do stuff like add razor logos or doodads on a hacked map so that the replays could be released.
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
No not really. I used Windows Media Player and an external IRC player because i could have the two side by side whereas to watch on the website I would have to scroll up and down to watch and type.
Did you use TSLD at all?
No
Rank your top three commentary teams
Artosis + * pretty much says it for me
What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
JF winning after being down 0-2
Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
Doing this review was the least I could do to thank you guys.
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What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
The fact that everybody who made it very far had to earn it (basically the ladder stage). Also the emphasis on integrity and fair play.
What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
Maps could have used a bit more variety, at least for the final/semifinal stages. Too much twilight, too much 4-player, relatively standard maps. I'm not saying put in Demon's Forest, but something to spice it up a bit if possible. Everything else seemed pretty great, aside from a few minor things that were just a bit off due to it being the first time through.
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
Seems cool, maybe more useful for people who don't browse TL.net daily. I just used it to link to the stream, which I watched with WMP.
Did you use TSLD at all?
Nope.
Rank your top three commentary teams
Chill/Artosis
Chill/Day[9]
Day[9]/Artosis
though those were the only ones I recall listening to, and honestly they were all excellent.
What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
This is the first big foreign tournament I've witnessed. It'll all be pretty memorable.
Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
Well done. Looking forward to TSL2, GO ZERG!
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On June 05 2008 11:24 Plexa wrote:What was the feature you liked most about TSL?Besides the live stream, commentating, epic prizes and players? Probably the great artwork and video. What areas needed improvement in the tournament?I think introductions to the games by the commentators should be done prior to the match, which could then begin on time. It would be pretty epic to see the screen turn black the moment the clock strikes midnight kind-of-thing. I don't think it has much to do with technical difficulties; just start the stream earlier and have Hot_Bid hit it at the right time. What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?Excellent website. The mouse-over brackets could've been updated more frequently, but that's it. Did you use TSLD at all?Nope. Rank your top three commentary teamsImpossible to rank. What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)Draco's defeat. Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
I would really prefer longer finals... bo5 seems kind of short. bo7 maybe?
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What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
- English high quality (=knows bw well) commentary and close-to-live broadcasts
What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
- would be nice with some more action broadcasted, like interviews and discussions, maybe showing examples of JFs reaver micro before JF game etc.
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
- Didn't use it much because tl.net had everything I needed
Did you use TSLD at all?
- what's that?
Rank your top three commentary teams
- combinations of artosis, chill and day[9], with chill + day[9] at third place (started not so well, came stronger so this combo does obviously have potential!)
What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
- Draco killing nonys shuttles (that was definitely made with balls)
Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
- gimme more. I'll check out razer products when I want to buy a new mouse, keyboard, mousepad
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What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
"Live" broadcast.
What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
SE bracket isn't exatcly fair for this kind of a tournament, a DE bracket would suit it more.
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
It's awesome, but I didn't use it too much.
Did you use TSLD at all?
No.
Rank your top three commentary teams
Artosis and Chill were the best. Chill and Day were fine, too. No idea about the 3rd.
What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
Awesome quality of (some of the) games played in the tournament. JF taking the final 3-2 after a 0-2 start, Dreiven 2-0'ing Mondragon. $10k prize pool.
Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
TSL achieved it's peak way too soon. There was nothing you could have surprised us with in the last weeks and it became a bit boring (despite being bloody awesome at the same time  ). Also, time-wise, the schedule wasn't very Europe/Asia-friendly
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What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
Ah, there was so much. I guess I'd have to go with the overall idea of a tournament with a major prize pool that attracted all of the best foreign players (well, not Chinese) that was commentated in English. Is that too broad?
But the side things were great as well: the artwork, the interviews, the truly awesome overlays on the replays (that only got better at the end). BTW, can these overlays be done on live games as well?
What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
Well, in the qualifying stages, there were some hitches with the policy on hackers and suspected hackers: statements, retractions, controversies. It would have been nice had this gone more smoothly, but I don't reckon that it'll be a problem in the next TSL. In the tournament itself: can't think of anything (besides stream going down, I guess).
Oh, one extremely minor thing--this isn't really a "needs improvement" area as much as something that would have been a nice touch--every time I saw that picture of all the contestants, I thought that it would be cool if it was updated to show only those who were left in the tournament. They finally did that in the finals, but then they skipped the very last step, which would have been to blink out Draco's picture at the end, leaving IefNaij as the last man standing.
Like I said, though, extremely minor, almost not worth mentioning.
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
Very nice graphically, but as others have pointed out, it had little original content. I hardly used it at all. When I watched the live streams, I would go there first, but it would always end up freezing, and I would switch to Media Player.
Did you use TSLD at all?
Only a little, but the more games are played, the more useful it will become.
Rank your top three commentary teams
Easier to rank the commentators:
1. Artosis
2. Chill
3. Manifesto
4. Everyone else
Actually, although I know that not everyone agrees with me here, my favorite commentary team is Gentho/Artosis (from Ascension). Gentho may not know the game as well as, say, Chill, but he has a pretty good understanding of it, and more to the point, he and Artosis really worked well together. Maybe Gentho could appear in the next TSL, as a guest commentator at least.
What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
I'm somewhat biased because I was rooting for IefNaij from the beginning, but for me the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL was definitely the last moment, when Draco gg'ed, and JF was officially TSL champion, after going down 0-2. Nice to have the most dramatic match be the finals.
Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
Great job. I'm still amazed that this whole thing was pulled together in a couple of weeks.
Also, I agree with Oxygen, bo7 finals would be good. Kinda put the finals on a higher level.
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What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
- The high quality games. From an organizational point this means prizes and deciding to make qualification stage a ladder that required players to play a lot.
What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
- Do whatever possible to keep a reliable connection between the casters and observer in the game so we don't get the annoying drop screen. And try to solve whatever is causing the stream to go down.
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
- I thought it was nicely made, but never really used it except when I wanted to watch the games live. The brackets weren't updated as the games were played. The results section didn't look right in my internet explorer browser with the vod link standing on top of the results (looked fine in firefox). Because of the placement of the java irc chat thing and embedded player, you couldn't watch and talk there at the same time.
Did you use TSLD at all?
- Didn't seem very useful. Stats don't mean a lot unless a lot of games are played. It might feel more relevant after a few seasons are played through if the same people keep qualifying.
Rank your top three commentary teams
- 1 Chill/Artosis
2 Artosis/Artosis's dog
3 Artosis/Chill/Manifesto7
What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
- Opening day when artwork was revealed and the OSL-like intro. I never expected all that.
Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
- Very good tourney taking into account it is all done online.
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On June 05 2008 11:24 Plexa wrote:What was the feature you liked most about TSL?The live streamed games What areas needed improvement in the tournament?Maybe take the top 100 instead of 48. Only thing I could think of. What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?Checked it some, didnt really feel usefull when you have tl.net Did you use TSLD at all?Not really, tested it when it was released but not in the tournament. Rank your top three commentary teamsArtosis Chill Artosis Day Artosis Vaul What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)I will remember the hole tournament - all bits and pices. One thing...hmm..sry NonY but forgeting storm made the commentators really funny reactions. Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
Cant wait for TSL2!
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What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
Commentary cand the videocasts closely followed by the large price pool and of course all the effort TL staff put into this event and against cheaters.
What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
I'd love to see real livecasts and not replays but I know its something you can't change 
In terms of professionality I'd prefer reallife photos of the players over the drawn images. They were pretty good though. The player info-sheets could also feature more background information on the players (or at least the casters could tell us more about the players background).
Sometimes I would've liked to read interviews with the losers of some matches, like Draco in the finals. Would be interesting to see how the loser experienced the match.
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
No, I rarely visited it. Imho it was missing a large tournament tree with all the results already played and the current standings and the way to go for the participants. And an overview of all the casting dates with links to the VODs. And as long as one could get all important information on TL.net there was no need to go to the tournament website.
Did you use TSLD at all?
No, I didn't use it even once. But I will definitely do in the future when there are more results of upcoming TSL seasons. It'll pretty interesting to see the map and player statistics after 2 or 3 seasons of TSL.
Rank your top three commentary teams
Artosis + Day[9]
Chill + Artosis
Chill + Day[9]
The other casters didn't appear often enough to seriously rank them higher than Artosis, Chill and Day[9].
What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
Dreiven defeating Mondragon 2-0 and Hot_Bid hitting the stream to death, lol. And ofc KATOAN, the real winner of season 1!
Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
Cheaterfree tournament > all. And PLEASE let the chinese players participate in the future. Do some lag-tests with the chinese players once they reach Top48 and if they're ok, let them play. It'll be so much better with chinese players!
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What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
The professionalism of the whole tournament, inforcing rules, handling complaints, explaining decisions, having lag tests and making the players show up.
What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
More interactive stuff for the community like the commentary contest or even more artwork are always good. I would've also liked to see some more analysis on the front page or in the forums, maybe you could get different knowledgeable people together to discuss the games?
Overall, the quality of the games was good but rarely outstanding. I realize this is a community tournament specifically designed to bring new life to the foreign community but if there was some way of including Koreans without screwing the foreigners over I would enjoy it even more.
Edit: Just remembered, the format was weird, the round 2 qualifiers were double elimination bo3 but the Ro16 and Ro8 only single elimination bo3?
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
I didn't use it much but thought it was well done, simple and clearly arranged instead of trying to be fancy.
Did you use TSLD at all?
No but I loved seeing it in other people's posts.
Rank your top three commentary teams
Artosis/Chill
Artosis/Chill/Mani
Artosis/Day
What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
The first seconds of broadcasting (I was expecting a crappy, unstable, low-quality stream) when the two TSL intros were played for the first time.
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What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
excellent commentary with min/gas/supply overlay.
What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
Everything was excellent. the 'camera controller' could have followed the main action more closely. a new intro for the final ala MSL would have been amazing.
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
Looks nice, links back to TL. not really needed unless but looks cool.
Did you use TSLD at all?
No i didnt, but i probably will if i want to re-watch a match or refer a friend to watch the TSL
Rank your top three commentary teams
Artosis/Chill were very good.
would have enjoyed some guest commentaries by tastless or klazart.
What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
the hype behind Brat_OK and JF coming back from 0-2 down.
Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
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What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
The intro perhaps?
What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
The maps. I was feeling seasick after watching game after game on those twilight maps (i honestly turned it off a couple of times because I couldn't stand all that blueness). I guess the balance of the maps was decent (if you pick maps from the current proleague, were every map is imbalanced in some direction, it's hard to get a good balance). I think you should choose maps more freely (older ones are just as good) and think about the visual part as well. I think there's a reason why OGN and MBCgame split up the different tilesets a bit and hardly ever put two tilesets after each other.
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
Not really. It looked good though.
Did you use TSLD at all?
Hardly any, just to look up which players were in the same team as others.
Rank your top three commentary teams
I don't remember any teams but chill and artosis were good. Although some phrases got a little bit over used like: "nice psi storms - All Over the Place!!!!" I laughed painfully every time I heard that phrase, try as much variation as possible.
What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
When the only promising zerg player got knocked out almost instantly. I knew that it would be a lesser tournament after that. (zerg are fun to watch)
Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
The one thing I really wanted to point out was the maps. Had there been some variation (no two twilight maps after each other for instance) I would have enjoyed it a lot more. It dulled down every bit of excitement I had (not to mention that one of the maps were wuthering heights, what a piece of shit map to watch. I mean, there's a reason that 98% of PL-games on it are TvT).
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What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
the commentating and the great stream!
What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
the system after the group stage was rather simple - bo3 and bo5 direct elimination.. something more complicated would've been more exciting imho
there was no video stream for a large part of the tournament (only audio which was lol)
the mappool could've been better
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
not really, just for the stream
Did you use TSLD at all?
yeah, it's very useful
Rank your top three commentary teams
ARTOSIS + anyone
What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
Dreiven vs Mondragon games
Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
fpvods and some kind of video interviews would be nice
you should keep banning chinese
and you should continue streaming replays
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What was the feature you liked most about TSL?
The community involvement when it was started. iCCup was so much fun to be on and the discussion and anticipation was great. Also watching the old guard battle it out for qualification was good. pity they couldnt have lasted longer.
What areas needed improvement in the tournament?
Chinese players, Some slight stream problems, Broadcast from RO32
What did you think about the Razer TSL website? Did you use it much?
I thought it was a good site and would have probably used it alot more if the stream had worked better for me there.
Did you use TSLD at all?
Yes alittle although as seasons go on I will have more purpose to use it
Rank your top three commentary teams
Artosis and Chill take it but I REALLY enjoyed the Artosis/Yannis/Others from some of the casts. it was really nice to have that interactions between 2-3 people aswell as Artosis' strategic insight.
What was the most iconic moment of the Razer TSL? (ie what will you remember this tournament by in years to come)
Dreiven vs Mondragon
Any further comments about the tournament you would like to make?
Long live TSL hopefully
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