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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
On December 11 2007 09:54 Polar wrote: You are all missing the point. If this guy is truly unqualified he will be outed as such by his co-workers. You don't need to fire the guy to show him that he's wrong. Read the fucking article. | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
On December 11 2007 08:40 Jyvblamo wrote: Believe it or not, being Christian does not automatically mean that you disbelieve evolution. But, does believing in evolution seriously detract from your performance in science? Albert Einstein believed in a greater intelligence behind the universe. Believing in evolution, believe it or not, has very little to do with how well you can perform a surgery based on one's knowledge of biology. Just because you believe in evolution doesn't mean you denounce theories of biology and chemistry. | ||
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Mayson
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potchip
Australia260 Posts
On December 11 2007 09:56 WhatisProtoss wrote: But, does believing in evolution seriously detract from your performance in science? Albert Einstein believed in a greater intelligence behind the universe. Believing in evolution, believe it or not, has very little to do with how well you can perform a surgery based on one's knowledge of biology. Just because you believe in evolution doesn't mean you denounce theories of biology and chemistry. That was..rather incoherant. Thought Jyvblow's point of view is the same as yours (from what I piece together from your post) This is just my opinion: Given he now teaches biology at Liberty University, I would seriously doubt his scientific credentials. Note this is not just because he teaches at Liberty University, certain fields of study rely more on scientific methods than others, and biology, a field in dispute between the faithful and not, at a faith-oriented institution rings a couple alarm bells. | ||
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HonkHonkBeep
China353 Posts
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qgart
Canada89 Posts
On December 11 2007 09:54 Polar wrote: You are all missing the point. If this guy is truly unqualified he will be outed as such by his co-workers. You don't need to fire the guy to show him that he's wrong. True, you can't question his qualification. But when a worker may become a source of distraction for his co-workers, then he/she might be legitimately fired. Quick example: At my college, there is this guy who stinks; he does not take showers. He's intelligent, hard-working... but he really stinks. When we are in the lab, the smell just disturbs everyone. And we would be more productive if he was not here. (true story) | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
On December 11 2007 09:56 WhatisProtoss wrote: But, does believing in evolution seriously detract from your performance in science? Albert Einstein believed in a greater intelligence behind the universe. Believing in evolution, believe it or not, has very little to do with how well you can perform a surgery based on one's knowledge of biology. Just because you believe in evolution doesn't mean you denounce theories of biology and chemistry. I don't see how believing in and applying evolution affect each other. Evolution is simply a model. One can disagree with it but still apply it correctly. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On December 11 2007 09:56 WhatisProtoss wrote: But, does believing in evolution seriously detract from your performance in science? Albert Einstein believed in a greater intelligence behind the universe. Believing in evolution, believe it or not, has very little to do with how well you can perform a surgery based on one's knowledge of biology. Just because you believe in evolution doesn't mean you denounce theories of biology and chemistry. That's patently false. Einstein stated that he believed not in a personal god, but in "Spinoza's God." To Spinoza, God and Nature were two words for the same thing. Einstein believed in an order to the universe but he did not believe in an intelligence behind it. It should also be noted that Einstein's belief in an ordered universe caused him to be wrong about a number of things. His proposed cosmological constant for one... | ||
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SirKibbleX
United States479 Posts
Einstein's "God" is more like 'nature' or the 'core of the universe,' or some other wishy-washy term that it's hard to put one's finger on. Most atheists are very spiritual people, they're just not superstitious. And on the subject of fairies, I haven't seen any evidence of one yet, so I'm assuming they don't exist; to me the notion is preposterous. However, it's not to say I completely reject it as a possibility. I know that if I saw real, verifiable evidence of (FAIRY GOD PARENTS!!!11oneone) then I would change my beliefs. What would it take to make me believe in God? Well, for the almighty omniscient, omnipotent master of the universe it wouldn't be too tough... | ||
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SirKibbleX
United States479 Posts
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Rev0lution
United States1805 Posts
On December 11 2007 10:05 HonkHonkBeep wrote: How do you go into a field when your religious belief system denies the very core dogma of the field...? what? | ||
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Polar
Swaziland274 Posts
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boghat
United States2109 Posts
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FragKrag
United States11554 Posts
On December 11 2007 10:29 Polar wrote: I think the most interesting aspect of the evolution debate is what provided the "spark" or catalyst for the creation of the universe. Some have been able to give mathematical interpretations of how the universe began, but there needs to be something to ignite the reaction. This just in! Creation of the Universe is now Biology!!!! By the way, I agree with why he was fired. A creationist has no place in Biology. Doesn't matter what kind of biology. | ||
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Kaotu
United States986 Posts
On December 11 2007 10:14 SirKibbleX wrote: ...In fact, Richard Dawkins has devoted entire chapters in his books to clarifying the misconstruction that anyone who uses the term 'God' is referring to an omniscient, human-like entity... Dawkins gets cited a lot around here to verify all sorts of bizarre claims; I would appreciate if you please clarify this one. You might have just messed up the grammar here and really meant to say that Dawkins clarifies that Einstein never refers to God as a personal entity; if Dawkins really did state that no one using the term is referring to such an entity, however, then please do explain. Perhaps you're saying that Dawkins has "demonstrated" that the theistic use of the term "God" is actually without any content, and not simply because it refers to something that does not exist, but rather because its definition is contradictory. That's an old claim, and heavily contested; Dawkins isn't really the expert on that issue. If you meant something else, I'm curious. ok... As for this topic: Well I don't think it's fair to fire anyone and everyone working in biology who refuses to accept evolution as a "fact"; but to do it because "God says he did it in 6 days" or whatever is obviously going to lead one into a big mess of trouble; one can't simply do biology without the context of evolutionary theory. It simply doesn't make sense anymore in light of the wealth of evidence that we have. | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
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NoName
United States1558 Posts
Not that I would be sad to see conservative churches sued to oblivion for discrimination and hate speech. Evolution is a foundation tenant of biological sciences. It's like a computer scientist rejecting shannon information theory (wiki it). Or power engineer denying conservation of energy. | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
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FragKrag
United States11554 Posts
On December 11 2007 10:43 HeadBangaa wrote: I work in a science lab too, I guess I better keep my ideas silent, lest I be singled-out by this selective neo-intolerance. If you were a physicist, and denied General Relativity WITH ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE, would you expect to be fired? I would. | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
On December 11 2007 10:07 Mindcrime wrote: That's patently false. Einstein stated that he believed not in a personal god, but in "Spinoza's God." To Spinoza, God and Nature were two words for the same thing. Einstein believed in an order to the universe but he did not believe in an intelligence behind it. It should also be noted that Einstein's belief in an ordered universe caused him to be wrong about a number of things. His proposed cosmological constant for one... To split hairs is pointless. The issue at hand is the post-modern denial of the metaphysical. | ||
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