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On December 11 2007 08:00 Mayson wrote:
Galileo opposed geocentricism, pushed for the acceptance of Copernicanism, and was ostracized for it.
My point is this: personal beliefs are not inherently correct or incorrect. Firing him because of his personal beliefs is discrimination. They can say that it negatively impacted his job, but the simple fact of the matter is that researcher bias is a controllable confounding variable. Saying his beliefs negatively impacted his job is asinine.
Or maybe they really should lose federal funding since they don't allow diversity.
From the article:
The Massachusetts Commission Against Discrimination dismissed the case this year, saying Abraham's request not to work on evolutionary aspects of research would be difficult for Woods Hole because its work is based on evolutionary theories.
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On December 11 2007 08:02 dronebabo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2007 07:53 lugggy wrote:
You guys I asked you, why are you saying I didn't. because you never did
I know I asked you in person. You must not remember.
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MyLostTemple
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good, we need to push idiotic backwards beliefs like this out of the scientific realm.
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On December 11 2007 08:03 mahnini wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2007 08:00 Mayson wrote:
Galileo opposed geocentricism, pushed for the acceptance of Copernicanism, and was ostracized for it.
My point is this: personal beliefs are not inherently correct or incorrect. Firing him because of his personal beliefs is discrimination. They can say that it negatively impacted his job, but the simple fact of the matter is that researcher bias is a controllable confounding variable. Saying his beliefs negatively impacted his job is asinine.
Or maybe they really should lose federal funding since they don't allow diversity. From the article: Show nested quote + The Massachusetts Commission Against Discrimination dismissed the case this year, saying Abraham's request not to work on evolutionary aspects of research would be difficult for Woods Hole because its work is based on evolutionary theories. Fair enough. Maybe there's some extenuating circumstances I wasn't aware of. I personally don't think one must agree with the research they're working with in order to perform their job efficiently.
To each their own.
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lol
I wonder why he choose to become a biologist.
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On December 11 2007 08:18 dronebabo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2007 08:04 lugggy wrote:On December 11 2007 08:02 dronebabo wrote:On December 11 2007 07:53 lugggy wrote:
You guys I asked you, why are you saying I didn't. because you never did I know I asked you in person. You must not remember. you probably just made up the memory because you really wanted it to be true, but in actuality it just never happened
No way. You probably just repressed the memory because you want it to be false, but in actuality it just happened...
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On December 11 2007 08:27 dronebabo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2007 08:24 lugggy wrote:On December 11 2007 08:18 dronebabo wrote:On December 11 2007 08:04 lugggy wrote:On December 11 2007 08:02 dronebabo wrote:On December 11 2007 07:53 lugggy wrote:
You guys I asked you, why are you saying I didn't. because you never did I know I asked you in person. You must not remember. you probably just made up the memory because you really wanted it to be true, but in actuality it just never happened No way. You probably just repressed the memory because you want it to be false, but in actuality it just happened... i know that to be false, so it is accepted that i am telling the truth here
Calm down guys, it was probably an act of God.
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On December 11 2007 08:28 fight_or_flight wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2007 08:27 dronebabo wrote:On December 11 2007 08:24 lugggy wrote:On December 11 2007 08:18 dronebabo wrote:On December 11 2007 08:04 lugggy wrote:On December 11 2007 08:02 dronebabo wrote:On December 11 2007 07:53 lugggy wrote:
You guys I asked you, why are you saying I didn't. because you never did I know I asked you in person. You must not remember. you probably just made up the memory because you really wanted it to be true, but in actuality it just never happened No way. You probably just repressed the memory because you want it to be false, but in actuality it just happened... i know that to be false, so it is accepted that i am telling the truth here Calm down guys, it was probably an act of God.
or maybe the statement magically create itself in a explosion of verbs and nouns.
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On December 11 2007 08:34 TesisMech wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2007 08:28 fight_or_flight wrote:On December 11 2007 08:27 dronebabo wrote:On December 11 2007 08:24 lugggy wrote:On December 11 2007 08:18 dronebabo wrote:On December 11 2007 08:04 lugggy wrote:On December 11 2007 08:02 dronebabo wrote:On December 11 2007 07:53 lugggy wrote:
You guys I asked you, why are you saying I didn't. because you never did I know I asked you in person. You must not remember. you probably just made up the memory because you really wanted it to be true, but in actuality it just never happened No way. You probably just repressed the memory because you want it to be false, but in actuality it just happened... i know that to be false, so it is accepted that i am telling the truth here Calm down guys, it was probably an act of God. or maybe the statement magically create itself in a explosion of verbs and nouns.
epic fail
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On December 11 2007 06:10 vGl-CoW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2007 06:07 HnR)hT wrote:On December 11 2007 05:53 Aepplet wrote:
not believing in evolution obviously made him unfit for the job. this is no different from any other firing. How can belief in a proposition or lack thereof make someone unfit for any job? how can you be fit for a job in a field where you completely reject one of its main paradigms
Many outstanding biologists, chemists, and surgeons are strong Christians.
That shows that anybody can be fit for a scientific job, whether with religion or not. Accepting evolution has nothing to do with how well you can perform in a science-related field.
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On December 11 2007 08:39 WhatisProtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2007 06:10 vGl-CoW wrote:On December 11 2007 06:07 HnR)hT wrote:On December 11 2007 05:53 Aepplet wrote:
not believing in evolution obviously made him unfit for the job. this is no different from any other firing. How can belief in a proposition or lack thereof make someone unfit for any job? how can you be fit for a job in a field where you completely reject one of its main paradigms Many outstanding biologists, chemists, and surgeons are strong Christians. That shows that anybody can be fit for a scientific job, whether with religion or not. Accepting evolution has nothing to do with how well you can perform in a science-related field.
Believe it or not, being Christian does not automatically mean that you disbelieve evolution.
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Norway10161 Posts
On the whole debate - the theory of evolution is pretty much accepted by now, and I believe that it should be because it is a very good theory. But if I was a believer, I would point out that there must have been some divine intervention to get the whole thing started - creating organic life from non-organic materials is pretty amazing.
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I documented an instance of evolution working in a lab I was in. It was a mutation that allowed an organism to survive while growing in the presence of methanol. A really simple mutation, but one that meets all the requirements of evolution.
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Norway10161 Posts
On December 11 2007 08:40 Jyvblamo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2007 08:39 WhatisProtoss wrote:On December 11 2007 06:10 vGl-CoW wrote:On December 11 2007 06:07 HnR)hT wrote:On December 11 2007 05:53 Aepplet wrote:
not believing in evolution obviously made him unfit for the job. this is no different from any other firing. How can belief in a proposition or lack thereof make someone unfit for any job? how can you be fit for a job in a field where you completely reject one of its main paradigms Many outstanding biologists, chemists, and surgeons are strong Christians. That shows that anybody can be fit for a scientific job, whether with religion or not. Accepting evolution has nothing to do with how well you can perform in a science-related field. Believe it or not, being Christian does not automatically mean that you disbelieve evolution.
We know that At least I do.
Assuming you are a Christian, how do you feel about other Christians refusing things like evolution and even arguing that it should not be taught in school?
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On December 11 2007 08:42 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:
On the whole debate - the theory of evolution is pretty much accepted by now, and I believe that it should be because it is a very good theory. But if I was a believer, I would point out that there must have been some divine intervention to get the whole thing started - creating organic life from non-organic materials is pretty amazing.
Abiogenesis does not say that life originated directly from inorganic molecules, in fact it postulates that life arose from organic molecules. The inorganic molecule -> organic molecule transition isn't very interesting, since it can be done rather simply in a lab, it's the organic molecules -> life thing that is currently controversial. :3
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On December 11 2007 08:39 WhatisProtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2007 06:10 vGl-CoW wrote:On December 11 2007 06:07 HnR)hT wrote:On December 11 2007 05:53 Aepplet wrote:
not believing in evolution obviously made him unfit for the job. this is no different from any other firing. How can belief in a proposition or lack thereof make someone unfit for any job? how can you be fit for a job in a field where you completely reject one of its main paradigms Many outstanding biologists, chemists, and surgeons are strong Christians. That shows that anybody can be fit for a scientific job, whether with religion or not. Accepting evolution has nothing to do with how well you can perform in a science-related field.
It depends. But first of all, by strong Christians, does that mean they take the bible literally? Otherwise it seems to be meaningless, and I don't think many people here think that religion necessarily makes one bad for a scientific job.
Anyone who does, or believes evolution is not true because of God, obviously can run into problems in evolutionary based work. Evolution is not always just a theory describing the history of life that has no actionable work; a lot can be gained by it's application in a very practical sense. Doing chemical work, even if it were involved in a project to date fossils for the purpose of evolutionary data, would not be affected at all.
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Norway10161 Posts
On December 11 2007 08:45 Jyvblamo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2007 08:42 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:
On the whole debate - the theory of evolution is pretty much accepted by now, and I believe that it should be because it is a very good theory. But if I was a believer, I would point out that there must have been some divine intervention to get the whole thing started - creating organic life from non-organic materials is pretty amazing. Abiogenesis does not say that life originated directly from inorganic molecules, in fact it postulates that life arose from organic molecules. The inorganic molecule -> organic molecule transition isn't very interesting, since it can be done rather simply in a lab, it's the organic molecules -> life thing that is currently controversial. :3
Ah, but my point was more that the fact that the right molecules were at the right place at the right time and thus began life, in a very different, very hostile nature comparet to what we have today.
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On December 11 2007 08:37 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2007 08:34 TesisMech wrote:On December 11 2007 08:28 fight_or_flight wrote:On December 11 2007 08:27 dronebabo wrote:On December 11 2007 08:24 lugggy wrote:On December 11 2007 08:18 dronebabo wrote:On December 11 2007 08:04 lugggy wrote:On December 11 2007 08:02 dronebabo wrote:On December 11 2007 07:53 lugggy wrote:
You guys I asked you, why are you saying I didn't. because you never did I know I asked you in person. You must not remember. you probably just made up the memory because you really wanted it to be true, but in actuality it just never happened No way. You probably just repressed the memory because you want it to be false, but in actuality it just happened... i know that to be false, so it is accepted that i am telling the truth here Calm down guys, it was probably an act of God. or maybe the statement magically create itself in a explosion of verbs and nouns. epic fail
I agree there is not enough proof to conclude this.
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